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What do I do with this base? (Read 888 times)

    I ran my first marathon just over a week ago.  It went really well, and I decided around mile 23 that I wanted to run another one.  So I signed up for Twin Cities, which is 19 weeks from my first marathon.

    For the first race, I used the Pfitz 55/24 plan, and minus a couple setbacks, was able to follow the plan pretty closely.  I’d originally planned on using the 5 week recovery cycle from Pfitz, but an opportunity to run a HM one week after my marathon was too good to pass up. So I ran an easy HM yesterday at almost exactly marathon pace. 

     

    Now the questions:  

    With the next marathon 18 weeks away, and feeling pretty good, do I pick up the recovery cycle from where I should be?

    Do I take a recovery type week now, then mix next weeks easy/recovery week with the first two weeks of the training plan?

    I was going to use Pfitz’s 18/55 plan, but it seems counter-productive to go back to a long run of 12-14 miles the next three weeks.  Am I wrong in thinking this?  Should I add miles to the first few weeks of the plan so it doesn’t feel like I’m wasting my base?

    And finally, if training goes well again, is a goal of cutting my marathon pace from 8:26 to 8:00 too ambitious?

     

    Am I over-analyzing this? 

    I think I know the answer to this one.

      I have only run one marathon and never did get to a second (tho I am schedule now for one on Oct 18 - which will be roughly 23 years and 6 months after my first marathon).......so what I'm trying to say here is that I'm probably not qualified to answer this question so take what I say as you will.......(due diligence performed)..

       

      Most marathon plans call for a 12 week training period (some 16 weeks)...least that is what have read over and over (my 'theoretical knowledge' of marathon running/training)....

       

      So, I would say for you to run easy until 12 to 16 weeks before your next marathon and then start training as if you want to set  a PR....but take the rest period cause I'm guessing you need it (even if you feel pretty good, you body probably has some recovery to do -----least I'm pretty sure that mine would)......

       

      I would NOT recommend your taking 23 year and 6 months of easy running....but two to 6 weeks would be nice.....


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      Hawt and sexy

        Just run easy miles until you are 8-12 weeks out, then dust off Pfitz's book and follow one of his plans. The decision to up your mileage is up to you, but keep running.  After looking at my copy, and then looking at your log, I really don't know what plan you were following, but it was not any of Pfitz's 55 plans in Advanced Marathoning. Did you buy a special plan from his coaching site?   I understand that things need to be adjusted every now and then, but a difference of 10-15 mpw (on the low side) from the plan in some weeks is huge.  You need to try whatever plan you think you did again (at least the last 8-12 weeks of it anyway, as that is where all the important workouts are for the marathon), and this time do all the miles.  Worry about pacing next time around.

        I'm touching your pants.

          Thanks for the advice.

           

          I did use the 24/55 plan from Advanced Marathoning.  I’m assuming the weeks you’re looking at have tune up races in them, and I had to cut those seeks short because I was playing hockey on Sundays, then felt some knee pain on the last 5k.  The short weeks in late Feb, early March were because DW got sick and ended up having brain surgery, then I got sick (stress finally caught up to me).

           

          I think I’ll take a few weeks really easy, work my mileage back up, and then pick up one of the 55 plans at around the week 12 area.  I like that idea.  Willamona, when you mention my pacing, are you talking about during my race? 


          Hawt and sexy

            Didn't look that far back.  Just the few weeks up on your log summary match nothing in the book. And yes, you will worry about marathon day pace after you get accustom to training more consistently and showing your body is capable of following the plan/s for the most part.

            I'm touching your pants.

            labhiker


              Didn't look that far back.  Just the few weeks up on your log summary match nothing in the book. And yes, you will worry about marathon day pace after you get accustom to training more consistently and showing your body is capable of following the plan/s for the most part.

               Willamona

              As a fellow MAFr, any suggestions on a good traing program?  In the past I have followed HH Int II.  Do you do all training at or below MAF?

              labhiker


              Hawt and sexy

                I use Pfitz, but that's me.  I don't really like HH plans because most of his plans, that I have seen anyway, do not have high enough mileage to support the weekly long runs (I could not do 20 mile long tuns on just 40 mpw).  When looking for a plan, I want 3 'hard' days that include a long run and a med long run as 2 of the 3 hard days.  Now, Pfitz does have HR recommendations in his book, but they are very aggressive.  So, I use a Hadd HR model for my training plans, as Hadd even has one for peeps like me with high max HRs.   My base phase could be seen as Lydiard type stuff, but done exclusively at MAF.  Yeah, I have total mutt training. I take what I need and screw the rest.  You pretty much need to figure out what type of training you thrive on.

                I'm touching your pants.


                A Saucy Wench

                   I have total mutt training. I take what I need and screw the rest.  You pretty much need to figure out what type of training you thrive on.

                   +1

                   

                  I like the Higdon race pace the day before the long run and running the long run on tired legs theory.

                  I like the Pfitz medium long run -

                  I like some aspects of yasso's plan.

                   

                  I dont know WHAT my plan is anymore.  I guess it is mine.

                   

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