Marathon Training and Discussions

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I know you alll have more links.... (Read 1378 times)


Hawt and sexy

    We all have books we have read, links we often visit and experiences to share. Well, let's get our books and links out there. Some of use probably read up more on training plans, while others might focus more on diet and nutrition. There is always someone who researches injury at the slightest hint of pain. While, this does not make us experts by any means, we do have something to share, our interests. By compiling these all in one thread we will accomplish two things; community and resources. Don't be shy, this works best when we all work together. In the end product, we should have enough info and links to look daunting to those who arrive here, but those who stay will be able to help those who come in and ask questions will have easy access to info. Think of this as an ever growing community database or a back-up of your favorite running related links in case your computer meets up with the big data processor in the sky. I guess I start. Books. Daniel’s Running Formula- Usually referred to as simply Daniel’s. The target is not the beginner, but it can be used by anyone. It is one of the best books out there for defining workouts and what they develop. Good read, but very aggressive training plans. Lore of Running by Noakes- Commonly referred to as Lore, LoR or Noakes. The best describer here is comprehensive. You will know more about running that you will ever need to know if you read the whole thing. Advanced Marathoning Douglas/Pfitzinger- Referred to by title or just as Pfitz, but Pftiz has another book so try not to get confused. Training is somewhat aggressive, but, unlike Daniel’s, Pfitz does not ‘lock’ you into a chart based on recent races so it is easily modifiable. Road Racing for Serious Runners- The other Pfitz book. Chapters break down the training needed for almost any given mid-long distance road or track race. Also somewhat aggressive training methods. Run Strong by Beck et al.- This is ok for everyone. It has chapters that are written by different runners/coaches. The basebuilding chapter is a must read for beginners. Other topics include diet, peaking, strength training, etc. A little bit of everything here. Lydiard- Just called simply Lydiard, this is the old man that Nobby refers to. Link below. Common Beginner Marathon programs- Hal Higdon (HH), Galloway, Gallowalk, Joe Henderson. These guys have numerous books/websites/training plans available. Referred to by name or in the case of Galloway by method. Each plan may have specific weaknesses and/or strengths, but these plans have produced many of marathon finishers. Google is your friend with these guys, a ton of info is out there. If someone could go through highlights of various books, go for it. FIRST or Run Less Run Faster. Best described as the source of many a internet argument. Basically, this is a low mileage training plan. Not generally recommended for beginners, but they do have a beginner plan. Heart Rate stuff The Complete Idiots Guide to HR Training by Parker. A good intro to HRMs and their use. Moderate when it comes to training paces. Good for someone who has never used a HRM or a current HRM user that wants to do more than just look at a number every now and then. The Maffetone Method-Commonly called MAF. Another source of many o fights. A low heart rate training method. HADD-There is no book here, pdf file that is a summery of a series of posts on letsrun by Hadd. It’s a Low HR training method that is slightly more aggressive than MAF. Link below. There is more in the LHR forum if you are interested in HR/LHR training. Don’t rush to buy a ton of books. A ton of great info can be found online. Links of interest- http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/ http://pfitzinger.com/index.shtml http://www.scottdouglas.biz/?page_id=4 http://www.attackpoint.org/trainingpaces.jsp http://www.teamoregon.com/publication/online/ http://www.bunnhill.com/BobHodge/Special/LydiardInterpreted.htm http://www.teamoregon.com/publication/links/ http://www.flotrack.org/ http://www.counterpartcoaching.com/hadd.pdf http://www.furman.edu/first/fmtp.htm http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html http://runningtimes.com/Default.aspx http://www.marathonandbeyond.com/ http://www.thefinalsprint.com/ http://www.sportsci.org/ http://www.marathonguide.com/ http://www.letsrun.com/ http://www.marathonmaniacs.com/ Ok, this is the laptop list. I have more on the desktop if I ever get it online. As you can tell, for the most part my interest is in training plans and how they work to get a person to where they want to be. Am I an expert? Hell no, just an informed novice, but I have been through a few seasons here and there. Background is not important, do not feel as if you need to have a decade of running behind you in order to share. In order to learn from one another, we need to share. Case and point, while I was on the track and cross country teams in HS, this really means nothing. It is just what brought me to the sport. Yes, I ran one season on a DIII team, but the team I ran for had different goals than the rest of my conference. My college team was there solely to finish events so that the college could maintain DIII status. I ran the 3k and my goal was to beat 15 minutes in the event (which I did accomplish at the conference meet that year, even though I had a pulled hip flexor). I was typically lapped 2 or 3 times while running my event. I also have a bunch of years of summer running under my belt, basically failed attempts at getting back into running. I guess, I am saying that even though I have seen a bunch of experience in running and racing, I was mediocre in HS and outright bad in college. This shaped my views on the training I received then and the training I choose now. I still view myself as a beginner. Why? Because this is the first time in my life I have stayed in shape year-round. Even though I have hit my third year doing so, I still think of myself as a novice. Your turn.

    I'm touching your pants.


    Needs more cowbell!

      Good thread...you have a TON of links and resources...sweet! I visit this page every so often...predicted effect of weight change. Pretty motivational: http://www.runningforfitness.org/calc/weighteffect.php I've found lots of useful sports injury info. here...helps to narrow stuff down and know what warrants a trip to the doc and what requires simple change/reduction in training: Sports Injury Bulletin I like Blaine's blog, too: RunToWin.com

      I shoot pretty things! ~

      '14 Goals:

      • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

      • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


      Hawt and sexy

        I'm touching your pants.


        Needs more cowbell!

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          I shoot pretty things! ~

          '14 Goals:

          • 6 duathlons (1 Olympic distance)

          • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)

          C-R


            Crap this is a great start. I don't have much to add. Here is a great book I just read. It teaches you how to develop your own training plan. Very good stuff. Run faster from the 5k to the marathon : how to be your own best coach - Brad Hudson Low Heart Rate - The Van Aaken Method, Dr. Ernst Van Aaken (go figure). This is a great read but damn hard to find. As for gear, I really like Soark (good quality, low cost, small business that appreciates my purchases) www.soark.com I've got to permanently bookmark this thread.


            "He conquers who endures" - Persius
            "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

            http://ncstake.blogspot.com/

              I've got to permanently bookmark this thread.
              Looks like it might be useful to have it as a sticky.
              Rose Marathon Maniac #991 Half Fanatic #58 It's a perfect day and I feel great!


              HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

                ... Lore of Running by Noakes- Commonly referred to as Lore, LoR or Noakes. The best describer here is comprehensive. You will know more about running that you will ever need to know if you read the whole thing. ...
                I went and got one from library since you suggested it here. The biochemical stuff is too indepth for me so far, but I expect that will change. I'm a bit afraid he mentioned something like muscle factor model (what that nut who posted here a while back was wild on).

                It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.


                Hawt and sexy

                  He mentions every model. We used to recommend skipping the first two chapters of LoR if you were not much into the science of running. The rest of the book gives the science details you need to understand the current discussion. After chapter two the reading is much easier and even if you skip those chapters, you will know more about running than you need to know.

                  I'm touching your pants.


                  Hawt and sexy

                    I found another book laying around the house... Fixing Your Feet by Jon Vonhof. Title says it all here.

                    I'm touching your pants.


                    HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

                      I found another book laying around the house... Fixing Your Feet by Jon Vonhof. Title says it all here.
                      Sounds like a book on how to draw a penalty call.

                      It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

                      Travis Groom


                        My coach recently started a program based on four simple points and it's made me a much better runner. http://www.focusedrunning.com I know this sounds like a sales pitch, but it really did help me get through my first half-marathon and recently my first marathon relatively unscathed.