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Getting frustrated (Read 439 times)

    Hi all I am looking for some perspective to help me have realistic expectations. I have never been athletic my entire life (including public or high school). When I turned 48, I decided to start working out, found running, and fell in love. I run to stay healthy and I happen to enjoy beer and salty snacks (my only vices Roll eyes ) so I must run to avoid middle age spread. But I'd like to continue to run and race longer distances. I have struggled, though, every time I try to increase my distance. I run into piriformis problems, my ITB yells at me and now I've discovered shin splints. Is this normal? I don't even run fast - I'm a back of the packer as they say, and I really don't feel that I'm over-doing it. My theory is that since I don't have a good strong base developed in my formative years, I need to lower my expectations with respect to improvement in speed or distance. Anyone else here have a similar situation? How do I remain injury and pain free and achieve my goal of a half marathon next year? Thanks Ruru

    Suffering Benefiting from mature onset exercise addiction and low aerobic endorphin release threshold. Hoping there is no cure.

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    Carolyn

      Hi Ruth! I read your profile, and we sound very similar! I'm also 51 and have been running for about 3 years. I'm slow, too. We're about the same height and weight. I also suffer from "adult onset athleticism." (Nice term!) But I don't share your problems with pain or injuries, so I'm kind of at a loss on how to respond, other than to say keep it up. Slow and steady. Listen to your body, and increase distance slowly. Work on increasing speed OR distance, but not both at once. I think speed is overrated anyway. If you want to run a half marathon, just plan to run it slowly. Take walk breaks if needed. I ran my first half in June, and despite a slow time and numerous walk breaks, I won my age group! (1st out of 4) Most importantly: keep posting! This site is a great motivator to get out and run regularly, and a great source of training wisdom. Welcome!

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        Ruru, I had a killer case of ITBS my first year running (3 yrs ago). I've had piriformis problems too. In fact, I think ignoring and running through my piriformis problems contributed to my ITBS. Now having been a lifelong athlete in other sports, I did the totally stupid thing: ran too darn long on both issues and got full-blown, ugly cases of each. What I had to do was some acupuncture (because of aggravating the injuries by running on them!), and then myofasical release massage with a fantastic massage therapist. She's not a sports-specialty person, but had been previously a physical therapist, and an occupational therapist, and she's just flat out "present" as we strategized over my issues. We also combed the internet and developed a stretching routine (including using a foam roller) that has kept me injury free for well over a year now. And, come to think of it, I haven't had a massage since April due to family issues and have kept running, so I guess that routine we developed is really working! Here's a lot of what we did: http://www.anaerobic.net/runnersguide.html Also, I got rid of my motion control shoes and switched to all neutral running shoes. I really think that as a barefoot person most of the time, too much shoe really got in the way of "me". I'm not saying this is so for everyone, but if you are in motion control shoes, it might be worth trying a neutral shoe in your rotation. Also shoe related is that I have scoliosis (since birth) and have a 7 mm leg differential. Since I'm a mid-foot lander, using a heel lift is useless. I now build my own left shoe up in each shoe (not the full 7 mm -- just about 4 mm net) to keep me in a more normal range. I have to say that luckily, I have my MD/acupuncturist, chiropractor and massage therapist all on the same page, supporting my running fully. Everyone agreed on an active recovery -- run right up to the point where the first twinge happened and then stop. It really helped me add the 1/10s and then miles back to my schedule. Another thing they all agreed on was to not run slower than a 10 min mile. They said stay fast and short, vs. long and slow for these injuries. So, I really worked on my speed. I wasn't to increase my distance without maintaining pace. I have to say that even now, when I get tired and slow way down, I can feel my ITB and piriformis issues, so I'm truly a believer in the maintain pace thing, though I have no idea if it would work for anyone else. Good luck and let us know your progress!

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          Maybe check out your running style to make sure you are not landing on your heels. Most of us slow runners were told for years, if not decades, that we have to land on our heels because we are so slow. however, that is wrong and we can run the right way as runners do too. In fact, I've done it running all the way for more than seven hours in some marathons. Keeping the feet under the torso and not extending out in front of the body assures softer, gentler landings that not even the most cushioned heels can replicate. the following cites are all recommending mid/fore-foot landings to prevent injuries and our runningbarefoot.org group has any number of members whose running has been stymied by PF, etc. but who have been able to return to running by the proper form forced by running without shoes (or in thin-soled racing flats, aquasock beach shoes, etc.). Especially since you don't have the muscle memory from lifelong athletics, check the last two posts cited herein about having fun walking your way to fitness and running shape too. A. RUNNING TECHNIQUE 1. ChiRunning - foot strike is coming down directly under the knee or behind it, . . . . . . not in front! 2. PoseTech - foot strike is on the ball of the foot . . . . . . better at absorbing shock and gentler on the knee. 3. Mindful Running - ball-heel-ball is the best way to run 4. RunningBarefoot.org - relax, relax, relax B. Walking for Fun and Fitnesss http://www.runningahead.com/groups/MastRun/Forum/b9e3c2a9cd6645e58cb44102618cefc7 http://www.runningahead.com/groups/MastRun/Forum/a569588559e040038fb56619f757b6f9

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            Ruru, I also started really running at 52 after a very non-athletic life. I can also say that the most problems I had with knees and other nagging pains were in the first two or so years. Then I gradually modified my mechanics, went to a podiatrist and sorted out my shoe issues (got prescription orthotics), and from then on it was a steady improvement in durability. So I am just going to encourage you to keep at it and things might just toughen up enough that these injuries will go away. Good luck in your fitness pursuit!

            Doug, runnin' cycling in Rochester, MI

            "Think blue, count two, and look for a red shoe"


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              Before I even read Tetsujin's post, I was going to suggest the same thing. Try altering your stride so that you land on your midfoot, rather than on your heel. When I saw "piriformis" that is the first thing that came to my mind. I am on the DL right now for another reason but this year I moved to a midfoot strike and I have not had a hamstring, glute, piriformis, sciatica or any similar problem since. Give it a try, but by all means check the resources Tet posted. Also, break into any change slowly, just a few miles at a time. Spareribs
                Lots of good points already posted..... but I'll go ahead and throw in my 2 cents. I've found as I've grown older (now 58), that the injuries come a lot quicker than they did in my 30's and 40's ... in fact I ran for over 15 years without an injury. Since then I've been an injury waiting to happen ...... I've had ITBS, piriformus syndrome, PF (now in both feet), strained calf muscles, popping knees and I'm sure I'm missing a few. Every injury is different in the way you have to deal with it and if you can train through it or not. When I had ITBS I found that the long runs killed me, but I could do speed work without much stress on the ITB. Piriformus syndrome virtually crippled me for a few months and I don't know if it was the stretching I was doing or stopping all running for 6 weeks that made it go away. A few of the things that I've learned in my 50's is that a good slow base building can help prevent injuries as well as proper form and not over striding. I was amazed when I tried shortening my stride and going for a quicker turnover.....my popping knees became instantly cured. Tetsujin's suggestion of running barefoot to try to teach your feet a mid-foot strike really works...one of my last bouts of PF, while everyone told me to always wear shoes with cushioned heels, I decided to see what running barefoot would do for me...even though I limited the amount of barefoot running, within a few weeks I wasn't heel striking anymore. I think bottom line is to listen to your body....pay attention to those little aches and pains and try to correct any problems before they get too big. Whenever I have an injury, I will try to get as many points of view as I can for curing or preventing the injury. These running boards are a great resource of knowledge. Some things work for one person and may not work for others....but just about anything is worth a try.
                huskydon


                  Hi, Thanks for writing, you pose a very good question with widespread interest. You've received some great advice, from many whom I really respect and have learned a lot from. A few of the comments really reasonate with me: nonoruns neutral shoes: this helped me also when I had ITBS slojims long runs hard on the ITBS: I found this very true for me as well I myself don't have much to add, except to say that if you can go, say 80 miles a month without injury, you should know that that is still an extremely signicant mileage that can develop a great deal of fitness. If you were to run that mieage consistently over an extended period (say, a year) I believe you would be impressed with the level of fitness you could acheive. At the end of such a period, I believe that you would be able to increase your mileage (gradually) well beyond what you are running today. I say all this because I have been building a base myself, and it feels real good and I feel like I am more resistant to injury (knock on wood). Anyhow, good luck to you! huskydon
                  nowor


                    Ruru, I love your determination to start running, keep running and aim for a half marathon. You've received lots of good advice. Here's my bit: 1.) Are you really at peace about being a slow runner or do you secretly hope that sometime everything will click and you will be faster and healthy? A total non athlete I started running at 60 and was excited about each small achievement. I was very slow but thought I'd see steady improvement. 5 years later I run about a min/mi faster. In my third year of running I decided to drop the frustration and commit to the goal of enjoying what I was doing and staying healthy period. Sometimes I "race" but only for the experience. It's so easy to watch others progress and think "if I go four days a week like X does then I'll be faster" or "breathing like Z does will help me go longer".... Assess your own goals and know that we all think you're awesome no matter how fast or how far you go. The HM goal can be a motivator, but don't let it be a bully. 2.) Do you do any cross training? Running does pound the body and regular stretching sessions, swimming, biking...can help balance the stresses and maintain fitness. 2 x week yoga classes and core classes are crucial to making my 3x week runs possible. Be sure to check in again and keep us up to date on your progress to your first HM.
                      There is a lot of potentially useful advice here. Just do not try to take it all at once! My guess is you are best off changing one thing at a time. See how it goes. If it works good and then think about whether you want to try something else. If it does not work that is fine too. Drop it from your routine and try another suggestion. I fear that if you try two or more things at once you will get frustrated. Some suggestions will (in your case) prove to be either of no use or deleterious. If you combine one with something that does help you may never recognize the benefit from the one that did help. Also, as a friend of mine always says, is that given a choice among things to try do the easy one first. It seems pretty obvious when you put it that way but often people try to do something difficult first. Why? If the easy thing solves the problem good and if not well it was not that costly to give it a shot. Personally, the easiest thing for me to change is my sneakers. So if you share my world view (and you may not) then I would try various brands each in a variety of support levels. If you go to Road Runner Sports and join their VIP club you can use the sneakers (yes on the road) for up to 60 days and return them if you do not like them. Alternatively, and in my view far less helpfully, you can go to your local running store let the sales person suggest a few models, run around the store with them and then take one home. You will find out soon enough if the new sneakers are or are not of any help. Finally, you might also find it worthwhile to check out the advice a the Injured Runner. In any case, good luck with your running hobby. Just remember that running for all of us here is just a hobby with no monetary payoff. For most, like me, there hardly ever even a trophy to bring home! So make sure you are having fun. That will let you keep running for years to come and when not on the road let you enjoy the associated health benefits as well.

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                        Wow! I am overwhelmed by the support and advice. Very very very much appreciated. Smile I have found such great information on this site on how to detect and treat injuries and I'm using that to take care of my current challenges. (Ice, foam roller, ibuprofen, etc.) I was - and still am - worried about the cause of these injuries. During the past 3 years I have seen a sports doctor, had physiotherapy and was running in orthotics and stability shoes. I think what's going on here are 2 things. First, I increased my mileage, and that is just going to take time to get used too. I don't think I overdid it too much but I am slowing down a bit now that I have finished my 15k birthday celebration run. The other thing that happened was that I got new shoes. I have been wearing the same pair sanctioned by my pedorthist for about 6 months, and they were wearing down and I could feel twinges of pain so I went to my local running store (a chain) to get new shoes. The person there told me to get more neutral shoes so I bought his recommendation. I have worn and run in these shoes for about a month. I suspected that shoes might be contributing to the problem, so I went back to the store and a different staff member said that the ones he sold me were not neutral shoes but actually had more stability than the ones I had originally came to buy. Angry Soooooo.....I am going to do a few things 1. Run long runs with my orthotics and the new (same as the old) shoes. 2. Run short runs without my orthotics in the old shoes (Hate to see them go to waste) 3. Start cross-training. I will re-start my pilates class. 4. Do the exercises (for ankle and gluteus medius (sp?)) as recommended by physiotherapist daily. I'll let you know! ~R

                        Suffering Benefiting from mature onset exercise addiction and low aerobic endorphin release threshold. Hoping there is no cure.

                          rurunner, I can relate to much of your post. I participated in my first race at age 56 (now 64) after a lifetime that involved nothing athletic. I have had a couple of bouts with my AT and am currently trying to recover from hamstring problems. Early on, I had some knee troubles when I tried to wear my first pair of real running shoes for way too many miles. I've become a believer in the right shoes, not putting too many miles on them (for me it's about 300), stretching a little, and building slowly. Even though I'm thrilled when a run or race goes a little better than usual, I'm not hung up on speed. I appreciate the fact that I feel better because of my running, the friends I've made at races, and the many supportive friends I have on this site. Good luck as you continue your running. Post often. TomS
                            {{{{{{Ruth}}}}}}}} The single thing that made the biggest difference in my running health was by adopting the "running by heart rate" philosophy. Parker and Maffetone have written excellent books on the subject, and I think there is probably a low heart rate training thread on one of the other forums. Basically, I was tired of having PF, ITBS, hamstring injuries, etc. Even though I had to do 14 minute miles to keep my heart within my easy aerobic zone, I stuck with it. I didn't see the phenomenal success within weeks that some people report, but after a few years, I can do 9 and 10 minute miles with my heart rate at an easy aerobic rate. Best of all, I haven't had any significant running injuries since I started this training. If you don't want to mess with a heart rate monitor, just keep 70% of your runs at a conversational pace, and you will reap the benefits.

                            Sue Running is a mental sport...and we're all insane! Anonymous

                            lswife


                              rururunner, One small thing you wrote and a few others here picked up on happened to me - while trying to increase my speed/distance, I lengthened my stride and - bam! - that's when I developed problems. But only when reading this thread did I connect my actions with the consequences. I'm 60, was never an athlete, and began running only about a year-and-half ago. This last February I decided I was tired of being so slow and took the suggestion of lengthening my stride to increase my speed. Well, by the end of February my left foot hurt so much I couldn't run a step. Then followed five months of seeing two doctors/one specialist for a very stubborn case of plantar fasciitis which didn't respond to any treatments until I got on celebrex. I'm just now getting back to running and am re-using the C25K program (week 3 now). I have to realize that I may not feel 60 or look 60 (as my husband kindly says) but my body IS 60 and needs much more time to adapt. As others have advised, don't worry about speed or distance. A book my DD got me is No Need for Speed by John Bingham. One thing he wrote which has stayed with me - think about 5-10 years in the future - do I still want to run (yes!) or do I want to be a racer (not really).
                                The continuing saga... Well, the shoes I was told were more stable are not, so that's not the problem. I sent a note to the running store chain because it is frustrating to get conflicting information. I have kept up the exercises: clam, bridge, ankle, squats. I am trying the mid-foot strike suggestion. I find that if I lean forward so my head is over my toes, I feel much better. I think that's an element of the chi running philosophy. Confused I do find that I feel that I'm running very slowly, but I know that every mile builds my fitness, so I'm not going to worry about it. Thanks again for all your help!

                                Suffering Benefiting from mature onset exercise addiction and low aerobic endorphin release threshold. Hoping there is no cure.

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