Good morning.

It's 23 degrees (windchill 10) outside so I'm doing a 15 miler on the treadmill today.  I have a footpod that I can use to calibrate distance, but I'm going to wear my heart rate monitor and might run by time and effort instead.  So, I might end up shorter than 15.  I'm not too tired.  I think most of the DOMS from the GMP run on Saturday has worn off.  But, the next 5 weeks are going to be tough - I'll be hitting some of my highest overall mileage and long runs.  I'm going to have to start getting more disciplined about sleeping and time management.

Hope everyone has a good one!

Good Morning!

Julia - Good luck with the TM 15.

NTS - Enjoy the down day!

I'm working from home today so I'm putting off my 11 miler until this afternoon.  The high temp is supposed to be in the mid 20's with 18MPH wind gusts.  I'll probably end up wearing 10 pounds of layers!

Morning dailies!!! Guess what! No swimming today!LOL

Its going to be a "feels like" of -11F for my 8 mile this afternoon.......I'll be dreaming of the post

swim hot tub at the aquatic centre when I'm running!

Julia, good luck on 16 miles on the treadmills. 5 layers of clothing for -11 is easier on my head

than 16 miles on the treadmill!!

NTS, congrats on your run yesterday! I know you weren't 100% pleased but you got an AG award and

that is always a good thing!

Scott and D.R., enjoy your runs!!

QOTD: from yesterday

I don't do recovery runs. I rest or cycle instead. I only ever run 4 days/week but I cycle many miles instead

of that extra run day.  After all these years of running long distance I know that I need to do what my body tells

me and what works for me. I don't use plans, I make my own,  I never run more than 40mpw, I run more fast

miles than people  say you are supposed to, I do my long runs faster than you are supposed to  BUT I have

met my goals for every half or full marathon I've done. I have never had a second half of a marathon more than

11 minutes positive split and that was on the first one which  I ran in  4:39 at age 48 with an elevation gain

of 1,800 on 35mpw.

Since then on 4 more marathons my highest positive split was 6 minutes and in Sept in a downpour for the

entire marathon my positive split was 3:14

I ran a  7 minute PR for my 4:20 in September, 12 weeks short of age 51.  And I havent' had an injury in 7 years.

I could run more but that would take too much time away from the other things I love to do.

I do get a little annoyed when I see people saying "you can't run a decent marathon on 40mpw" or "cycling

doesn't help marathon training" or "you have to run 5 days/week to train for a marathon"  ,,,,,,,generalities like that

bother me because no one can know what works for someone else.

I think I have gained more from listening to my body that going by "canned' plans. It works for me so I will keep

doing it until it doesnt work anymore and then figure out something else.

Have a good one dailies!!

Got up at 0315 to get ready to go out for my interval session, but then I noticed that the bushes were all leaning sideways.  Seems it was 11F with windchill.  So, back to bed for a couple of hours and then hit the treadmill for the intervals after I got to work.  Did  2wu+6(800@5kw400r)+2cd, but can never be sure about the pace on a treadmill.  Don't know how the people up north do it.

Hi everybody.  I guess I joined the  "more miles than degrees" club today.  It was 8, and I ran 11.68 at easy pace.  Nothing really felt cold, but I did have some funny ice hanging off my eyebrows, eyelashes, and beard .  The run did feel a little harder than I would have liked, so I'll let how I feel dictate my workout for tomorrow.  It's a double day, so it'll either be (quality, easy) or (easy, easy) based on how well I recover.  Like Julia was mentioning, this week marks my move out of my "introductory phase" and into my "fundamental phase."  I didn't get any graduation gifts though

Julia...Glad you were able to get the TM run done and felt good about it.  I run so much more slowly on the TM.  About a 9:13 pace on that thing feels like easy pace to me, which is about 1:15 slower than my outdoor easy pace.  That does sound like a lot of gadgetry you had going...I'm kinda visualizing you hooked up to one of those VO2 max test type machines.  Speaking of picturing you...is that you in your avatar pic here?

NotSwift...Thanks for sharing the RR last night.  It seems like training through a race is a very hit or miss proposition...sometimes it yields a great time, and others the mind is willing but the body isn't.  Other things play a part too, like niggling pains and the course.  I think the fact that you won your AG with a time you weren't that pleased with says a lot, and should mean great things for your races to come.  I hope the rest day helps with the knee.

Scott...10lbs of layers?  You go Michelin Man!  I'm perpetually over-dressed and always surprised how little I need, but these are some wicked temps we're dealing with for sure.  Good luck!

Docket...Longest run in a while for you, right?  Hope it goes well.

Beth...uh oh, I think I may have hit a nerve with yesterday's question?  Everything I read, especially in Running Times (which focuses a lot on masters runners) says that cross training and strength training are vital to running well for masters.  I think your experience bears that out without question.  I may find that even in my AG that variety in training is a better way to go, but right now I really want to see where I can get with this kind of mileage.  To do that, I feel like I need recovery run mileage as opposed to true rest.  The sad thing is, I can kinda see my Ironman goal for Feb. going out the window with lack of swimming and biking I'm getting in.

Marco...Glad you got some miles in even though you're so busy.  Thanks for checking in.

RVD...Yikes, that's early!  The TM plan sounds better to me too, and I'm not even the one doing it.  Those 800s should be a good workout later.

SIAR, actually I didn't read your response or initial question so it's not a response to anything you said. J

ust saw that it was THE QOTD and yes it is a sore spot for me.

I see repeatedly on these forums and over the RW that one "has to" to do such and such to run a good

marathon,,,,,,,,or if they don't run XXX miles during training they are bound to tank in the 2nd half.....or that

you need to run your long runs a XXX pace....there sometimes seems to be a persavive attitude that those

running lower miles or those who don't go with the mainstream on those theories  don't know what they are

talking about in relation to training or running marathons.

I've seen many people who espouse those theories who don't even come near by own PR's and not at

my age...........not that my times are anything to crow about!LOL

I do realize that if one wants to run "fast" marathons that they need to run higher miles but given my own

experience, my hubby's (who is a 3:30 marathoner and never runs more than 40mpw) I know 100% that

no one rule applies to everyone and sometimes people are better off finding what works best for them in

their own way.

I know that if I had been on these or RW forums when I did my first full in 4:39 on 35mpw average I would

have been scared to death to even go run it. Instead I had confidence in my training paces and what

I KNEW I could do and I did it!

you mean, not counting the marathon and HM last weekend?

Hi everybody.  I guess I joined the  "more miles than degrees" club today.  It was 8, and I ran 11.68 at easy pace.  Nothing really felt cold, but I did have some funny ice hanging off my eyebrows, eyelashes, and beard .  The run did feel a little harder than I would have liked, so I'll let how I feel dictate my workout for tomorrow.  It's a double day, so it'll either be (quality, easy) or (easy, easy) based on how well I recover.  Like Julia was mentioning, this week marks my move out of my "introductory phase" and into my "fundamental phase."  I didn't get any graduation gifts though

 

Julia...Glad you were able to get the TM run done and felt good about it.  I run so much more slowly on the TM.  About a 9:13 pace on that thing feels like easy pace to me, which is about 1:15 slower than my outdoor easy pace.  That does sound like a lot of gadgetry you had going...I'm kinda visualizing you hooked up to one of those VO2 max test type machines.  Speaking of picturing you...is that you in your avatar pic here?

 

NotSwift...Thanks for sharing the RR last night.  It seems like training through a race is a very hit or miss proposition...sometimes it yields a great time, and others the mind is willing but the body isn't.  Other things play a part too, like niggling pains and the course.  I think the fact that you won your AG with a time you weren't that pleased with says a lot, and should mean great things for your races to come.  I hope the rest day helps with the knee.

 

Scott...10lbs of layers?  You go Michelin Man!  I'm perpetually over-dressed and always surprised how little I need, but these are some wicked temps we're dealing with for sure.  Good luck!

 

Docket...Longest run in a while for you, right?  Hope it goes well.

 

Beth...uh oh, I think I may have hit a nerve with yesterday's question?  Everything I read, especially in Running Times (which focuses a lot on masters runners) says that cross training and strength training are vital to running well for masters.  I think your experience bears that out without question.  I may find that even in my AG that variety in training is a better way to go, but right now I really want to see where I can get with this kind of mileage.  To do that, I feel like I need recovery run mileage as opposed to true rest.  The sad thing is, I can kinda see my Ironman goal for Feb. going out the window with lack of swimming and biking I'm getting in.

 

Marco...Glad you got some miles in even though you're so busy.  Thanks for checking in.

 

RVD...Yikes, that's early!  The TM plan sounds better to me too, and I'm not even the one doing it.  Those 800s should be a good workout later.