MC - that thread definitely made me laugh!! I agree that the term "jogger" seems to be primarily an age related thing -- sadly I think my podiatrist may be around my age, so I don't know what's up with his using that term. George - I don't know about curls getting the girls (I like that phrase though!) but I like that you're a kindred spirit as far as the heavy (well, relatively heavy) lifting goes. Steve B has really tried to add some quick tabata intervals after our track workouts and a few Shamrocks have joined us. The next day they are cursing us because they're so sore from 4 minutes of squats (including 10 seconds of rest every 30 seconds) I tried to start a pushup club after our weekly trail runs last summer. It didn't last long though, but maybe I'll try it again this year.