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AmoresPerros


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    Ok, like the 400 (recovery) 800 (recovery) 1000 (recovery) 1200 (recovery) 1000 (recovery) 800 (recovery) 400 pyramid that we did last summer -- I think maybe that workout even came from you Rick. That's a pyramid, and the first half of it is a ladder -- got it Smile

    It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

    Durrr


      That would be a 5600 pyramid. The one we did at the St. Mary's College track last November was the 5000/5k pyramid that Rick presented. I believe it went 200 - 400 - 800 - 1000 - 200 - 1000 - 800 - 400 - 200.


      Diesel Power

        Yes... the workout DR described is what sent me into a downward spiral of overuse injuries. The second and third 200 intervals were ran all out. All other intervals we ran at 5K pace, with a recovery jog in between. That workout screwed up my right calf and achilles. I took about five days off to rest after that... when I started running again, I did too much too soon, which screwed up my right knee. Doing the Turkey Trot 5K only exacerbated things. The conclusion is that I think it's really a workout that needs to be worked up to, and not done too soon.
        Durrr


          Indeed, I don't plan on doing any workouts that ambitious until perhaps May. After taking it easy for a couple weeks after the marathon, I'll probably start with my usual early season standbys like 3 X 800 (but significantly faster than the ones we did on Tuesday), 2 X 1600, 1 X 3200, or 5 X Ryken hills.


          Diesel Power

            I'd figure that, given the hard/high mileage training you gone through over the past few months, you're due for a period of maybe 4-6 weeks of just base mileage (with maybe a fartlek or tempo here or there) before getting back into any serious training. Of course, you're the exception to every rule of running, so you can probably do whatever you want.
            Durrr


              We'll see how I feel after the marathon! I might wait until the first of April to start really training (although I am interested in the Keep Your Colon Rollin' 5k on 3/29). I've never run in the snow quite like I did last night. It was coming down hard from seemingly all directions. Although I was well geared-up to wade through it, the real problem was that it kept blowing into my eyes --- and it had a sting to it! I only did three mild maintenance miles, but they may have been the three longest miles ever.


              Diesel Power

                I had to make the decision on Tuesday evening whether or not to delay my interval workout until Wednesday. However, a quick look at Weather.com helped me decide that Tuesday would be the safer bet for a track workout. The wind chill would be roughly the same both nights... even though it was rough running in the winds on Tuesday, it probably would have been worse running on a slick, snow covered track on Wednesday. Of course, I'm only running four days a week right now, so I'm not in DR's boat of having to run on two consecutive days with poor weather. Speaking of poor weather... we're supposed to get a lot of freezing rain up this was starting at 6-7 am, which may continue throughout the day (this may also be preceded by snow for a few hours). I have three miles and hills planned for tomorrow evening, so this could prove to be detrimental. The last time we had serious ice, the sidewalks were so slick that I could barely keep balance while walking. Worse case scenario, I'll have to wait for a treadmill to open up at the very small gym at my apartment complex. I already took Sunday off this week to let my shins heal... I don't want to miss two days in a week.
                AmoresPerros


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                  I think DR must have run in the dark, because we ran about 4:30, and I went 8 miles, and there were just little tiny flakes you could barely notice when I stopped, and the light was fading. No freezing rain here -- nice and sunny. Some light clouds. Looks pretty out.

                  It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

                  Durrr


                    It was still light out and the snow was coming down hard. But it isn't unusual for two ends of the county to get very different doses of weather. Lots of ice is supposed to be coming tomorrow, but I never run on Fridays, anyways. Things should be cleared up by Saturday for my 10-mile run.
                    Durrr


                      Yesterday I did the first long run of my taper phase --- 10 miles. You might think that 10 miles would seem like nothing after doing a 22.5-mile run a week before, but that wasn't the case at all. Ten miles is still a substantial distance no matter what. Running at an average pace of 8:26/mi, I finished just under 1:25:00. Next weekend I'm going to run 8 miles --- at marathon pace. Perry, Joe: I'm heading to Dorsey Park on Tuesday for a tempo run. I aim to arrive around 4:30. I'm going to run four continuous Dorsey laps (each lap is roughly 1.66 miles) with the first and fourth laps serving as a warm up and a cool down (respectively) while the middle two laps will be the tempo --- likely a 7:10/mi pace.
                      AmoresPerros


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                        I seem to have bruised my foot. Last Tues I did the 800s at Ryken. Wed I did 8mi easy. Thu I did a 6mi progression run (first mile at 10min/mi, second at 9:30min/mi, third at 9min/mi, fourth at 8:30min/mi, fifth at 8min/mi, last at 6:48min/mi). Fri I took off. Sat I went 4.5mi with Crystal, and my left sole hurt when landing on pavement. Then I continued another 4.5mi entirely on trails, but my sole started hurting all the time. I had been trying to decide whether to try for 20mi that day or the next day, so I gave up then. That afternoon it hurt to walk. We went to a concert that eve with a friend with kids, and I played with them before and at intermission, and I could still walk and walk fast enough to run around with them, but I could feel the pain on and off. So I haven't run since then. It is getting a little better, but I still have twinges of pain when pushing off my foot in some certain rolling fashion -- haven't figured out exactly when it happens. So I don't know when I'll start running again. I need to start swimming at least to get some exercise Smile

                        It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

                        Durrr


                          That 8 X 800 workout had a very high impact to it, which is why I did merely three very light miles the following day. As you've been running 40 and 50 + mile weeks, it's possible that that foot might be getting over-stressed. I'd recommend taking today off as well and icing the foot frequently. But Joe and Rick would probably be more reliable sources for dealing with injury.


                          Diesel Power

                            You may have to take more than a day or two off... some injuries may require up to 2-4 weeks of rest, depending on the severity. I'm not going to suggest that you sit out the marathon, as that's likely not an option. However, if this problem doesn't clear up this week, you may want to consider altering your workout to make sure you make it to the marathon okay (for instance, cutting out speed work). Ice three times a day, etc. I'm sure you know how to nurse injuries like this. Additionally, I'd poke around online for any kind of physical therapy / rehab exercises related to your symptoms. Discovering the cause of the injury may take a little more work. It may have come from increasing mileage / speed work too soon... my injuries have been much more tame since sticking to the 10% increase per week (while backing off every 4th week). However, it may be something as simple as shoes (age, mileage, etc). If you don't have too many injuries, like DR, you may not need a full gait analysis like I did. These can be done at specialty running stores, usually for free. If it's any consolation, I hear that swimming is the top form of cross training for running.
                            Durrr


                              I'm afraid I'll have to retract my commitment to that Dorsey Park run tomorrow (if anyone else was even coming at all). With the exception of a four day cold at the start of the year, my health has kept up extraordinarily over the course of my winter marathon training --- but now I'm coming down with something bad. Symptoms are feverish, possibly early stages of the flu: persistent coughing, chills, aches in muscles and joints, and a general feeling of lethargic weakness. I've done nothing but rest today and yesterday, and I think it'd be wise to extend that a couple more days. The Dorsey tempo run is a workout I really wanted to do, but I have to remember what's most essential: making it to the marathon. And it will be raining tomorrow. Hopefully with enough rest and Vitamin C I'll be back in stride by Thursday.


                              Diesel Power

                                Everyone in the world seems to be coming down with that, except me. I keep feeling what seems like the onset of symptoms... a mildly sore throat, and slight sinus headache, an occassional barking cough, etc. However, my body seems to have fought off the full blown plague. I wish you a speedy recovery. Hopefully you'll at least get some sick time out of this.