Hello all
I have my first 50 miler coming up at the end of the month. I have been reading as much as I can about sodium intake and trying to get a grasp on this.
I've read that most races down in the states (I am in Alaska) seem to have aide stations, but in this particular race we only get one drop bag at mile 38. My concern is, if the weather is warm I don't know how to keep my sodium levels solid.
None of the gels or bars seem to have sodium and I can't pack that many potato chips.
Any one make their own salt capsules? Do they work? How much salt?
Any one know of a brand of salt tablets that work?
Any other ideas? Anchovies?
Thanks
PS: this forum is great I have learned a lot from reading the posts so thanks to the community and good luck to all in your upcoming events.
Succeed S! Caps were recommended to me by a 100 mile runner here on RA and I've used them in long run training, my one ultra and a few marathons. A zip lock baggie keeps them nice and dry. The guy that recommended them takes 2-3 per hour. I've found that I'm fine with 1 per hour.
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Not a great lover of salt tablets personally as it is difficult to measure sodium/potassium intake versus outgoing in the form of sweat and urine.
My personal choice is Nuun and when it is really hot I take a pint post-diarrhea fluid replacement solution every 4 hours (Is amazingly refreshing)
Sometimes, depending on the run and my location I have a small packet of pretzels in my backpack and if I don't have the above snack on those. Just be mindful that it is not just sodium salts you need but potassium as well.
As the others say, make sure you keep your weapon of choice in a zippy bag in a dry pocket I have ruined a tube of nuun when I waded waist deep through a river on a 50 km trail run and those things are not cheap.
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I use Endurolytes. They have less sodium than S! Caps, and have other electrolytes. I judge my sodium intake by the swelling in my fingers. My hands swell badly with too much or not enough salt. They get so big that I can't bend my fingers. When it isn't too hot, I take one/ hr, when it is hot, I go with two.
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I use Endurolytes. They have less sodium than S! Caps, and have other electrolytes. I judge my sodium intake by the swelling in my fingers. My hands swell badly with too much or not enough salt. They get so big that I can't bend my fingers. When it isn't too hot, I take one/ hr, when it is hot, I go with two. Good Luck!
I was going to mention hyponatremia as I have only once had swelling/stiffness in the hands in a race and was luckily about 2 miles from an aid station where they had salty biscuits hence why I advised the packet of pretzels trick.
It sounds really bad in your case
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Hello all I have my first 50 miler coming up at the end of the month. I have been reading as much as I can about sodium intake and trying to get a grasp on this. I've read that most races down in the states (I am in Alaska) seem to have aide stations, but in this particular race we only get one drop bag at mile 38. My concern is, if the weather is warm I don't know how to keep my sodium levels solid. None of the gels or bars seem to have sodium and I can't pack that many potato chips. Any one make their own salt capsules? Do they work? How much salt? Any one know of a brand of salt tablets that work? Any other ideas? Anchovies? Thanks PS: this forum is great I have learned a lot from reading the posts so thanks to the community and good luck to all in your upcoming events.
Your best choice is S!caps. You will probably have a hard time trying to find a balance. The usual answer is try them in training but you don't get the heat in the lower 48. In essence, unless you come week in advance and do walking/hiking (easy stuff) you will not be acclimated.
I've been using them for about 15 years. I know everyone's needs are different but roughly one an hour in heat and less if cooler as the label suggests. You will have to monitor your urination frequency and color. And all of this ties into your fluid consumption. Obviously you need both but they must stay balanced. Too much of either and you stop absorbing, bloat, and get into deep *hit.
For simplicity sake I take them on a hour boundary.
I know some like E!caps edurocaps but they too little salt 40mg per. lets assume you need 360 Mg per hour to stay balanced(made up number but not unreasonable) that's 9 E!Caps. Multiply that by the number of hours say 10 and that 90 of those suckers and trying to count them out . They also have extra stuff which I think are not needed and hype.
What race and where?
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I have found this Water/Electrolyte Balance Table to be a useful reference. It may be a little overload, but as you get to more an more time out in warmer temps, it makes a lot of sense to be familiar with what to look for and what to do about it when you notice a change in your body. Several others have mentioned S-Caps, which can be ordered directly from this website (along with other products that I think are pretty good).
Here in TX, a farily short run can result in extreme fluid loss. I will often take a couple of the S-Caps after a run (even 1-1.5 hours) just to avoid cramps during the night. For longer runs, I'll start out taking 2 per hour and adjust from there... less fluid loss - maybe go to one per hour, more... 2 per 30 min or 3 per hour... You'll have to figure out what is right for you, good luck with it.
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I have found this Water/Electrolyte Balance Table to be a useful reference. It may be a little overload, but as you get to more an more time out in warmer temps, it makes a lot of sense to be familiar with what to look for and what to do about it when you notice a change in your body. Several others have mentioned S-Caps, which can be ordered directly from this website (along with other products that I think are pretty good). Here in TX, a farily short run can result in extreme fluid loss. I will often take a couple of the S-Caps after a run (even 1-1.5 hours) just to avoid cramps during the night. For longer runs, I'll start out taking 2 per hour and adjust from there... less fluid loss - maybe go to one per hour, more... 2 per 30 min or 3 per hour... You'll have to figure out what is right for you, good luck with it. Lynn
all Good thoughts but the runner is coming is from Alaska and has no heat acclimation. For instance I live in the NE and train in the winter -10 to 40F. When I go south to Bull Run in the spring we can get 80+ degrees. It's not easy to make fluid/salt adjustments that quickly.
My best advice, and I use this personally, when the flame goes up, I turn down the dial. It's better to finish with a slower time than DNF.
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Absolutely agree... very good advice
Thanks for all the good advice.
I am not going to the states for this one. It is the Resurrection 50miler here in Alaska. The problem is we have had such a cool summer (top temp 60) and it is projected to warm up. Up here the sun can be brutal if there are no clouds because it just won't go away. It stays at the same angle for 16 or more hours.
I found some "THERMOTABS" at my local pharmacy. Label says its for "golphers and tennis players" hah, that is kind of funny. But it is a buffered tab and it has 452mg of sodium chloride in each tablet.
I have a training run in the mountains tomorrow (20 miles with 5000' elevation gain) the temp is supposed to be 70degrees or more. I will give them a shot and plan on taking one per hour.
Thanks again.
Just make sure you self-monitor as well. If the idea of anything salty turns your stomach, you're probably taking in too much. If you're craving pretzels or chips, then maybe take an extra tab.
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I had to look into that Resurrection Pass run. Looks beautiful!