Sub 1:30 Half Marathon 2021 Edition (Read 407 times)

zebano


     

    Zebano - I feel like we never get the 70s. It jumps straight from 60s to 80s/90s here in NYC. Agreed on the Strava challenges too: they're good for new runners to push themselves but otherwise don't help me.

     

    Me - 5K sucked as expected. 17:44, so didn't even get my heat adjusted sub 17:30 I was pushing for. I won the race by a huge margin (it was a charity 5K with 50 person staggered starts), but I don't think that impacted me at all that I didn't have someone to run with. It was the heat plus humidity (according to the nearest weather station, it was 80F plus 66F dew point, or 27/19 for the weirdos), plus the fact I haven't done a V02 max workout since October! My legs were fine, I just couldn't breathe. I know that's usually the case with 5Ks, but this air sucking was way worse than normal. I know I'm in better shape than that time because I did a 6 mile tempo a few weeks ago around 5:50 pace, so I'm not too worried. I knew the race was in trouble when I saw the pink unicorn around the 1.5 mile mark, which was way too early. Piwi - I barely even deserve a participation certificate. They should have just given me swift kick in the groin and sent me home without a medal.

     

    Still, it was fun to be out there racing again. Going to try to find another 5K to suffer my way through in 3-4 weeks. Also going to do a couple of V02 max workouts in the coming weeks to get that breathing fixed. CIM training won't really start until August so I can dedicate some time to the fast stuff now, which should be great base prep for marathon training.

     

    ETA: I always remember what DW has said which is that even a bad race is a good workout. I gained some fitness by running this race, so I feel confident I can run a good race when I try again in a few weeks, barring another awful weather day.

     

    You're a masochists! Racing in the heat sucks so much but it will make you mentally strong for the fall. Also 1.5mi in you hit the 5k suckfest? ouch, I always hope to make it to 2 miles before that hits but 1.8 is more typical. You deserve a medal just for that.

     

    My coach asked what time of day I was going to do my track workout this week and gave me lunchtime paces as well as early-morning paces so I know the heat is real but frankly the morning paces scare me a touch while the heat adjusted ones don't....

     

     

    Keen Great week, especially that long run. Have fun with the 2x2mi @10k  is what I think of that but you have a much better mileage base to be doing big volume workouts on than I do.

    1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

      Keen great week. That does sound like a tough workout. The 10k stuff on its own is a solid workout.

       

      Jmac hot and lack of 5k specific training will have cost you. Get those vo2 workouts under your belt and your time will drop considerably. I really don't hit the paincave in a 5k until the last 2kms.

       

      Corey nice job sounds like you are getting stronger.

      What are your daily training shoes ?

       

      zeb yes I saw Hassan amazing. Some of the lapped runners didn't make it easier for her. I'm not a fan of the lights as it gives them a personal pacemaker.

      Looking at improving my 5k time this year so thats the next goal.

      50+ PBs -  

      5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

      10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

      Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

      " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

      Somewhere in between is about right "      

       

      JMac11


      Milkman

        Keen - that workout sounds brutual. Sounds like something I would try as I was peaking for a race. I wonder why your coach has it so early in your schedule. Also I just booked my flight for CIM. Going to stay Sunday night this time around instead of rushing back to SFO. Nothing quite like a marathon in the morning, beer garden at 9:30 am, and a nap by 1 PM 

         

        Zebano - you're a bit newer, but I've shared this before and have found it be spot on for adjusting temps. It's all based on TDP, or Kiwi Points as we call them here. This is you're running longer efforts, e.g. races or long tempos. If it's anything with a rest period, e.g. intervals, you take half the adjustment.

         

        100 or less:   no pace adjustment

        101 to 110:   0% to 0.5% pace adjustment

        111 to 120:   0.5% to 1.0% pace adjustment

        121 to 130:   1.0% to 2.0% pace adjustment

        131 to 140:   2.0% to 3.0% pace adjustment

        141 to 150:   3.0% to 4.5% pace adjustment

        151 to 160:   4.5% to 6.0% pace adjustment

        161 to 170:   6.0% to 8.0% pace adjustment

        171 to 180:   8.0% to 10.0% pace adjustment

        Above 180:   hard running not recommended

         

        Piwi - I'm waiting for when you run a 5K faster than me soon and put the nail in my coffin 

        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:00 (10/21)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

         

        Next Race: CIM (12/5)

        darkwave


        Mother of Cats

          CK - 2x2 miles at 10K pace sounds really hard.  Doable, but I think anything further than 2K at a time at 10K pace is very hard.

           

          Zebano- yes, I'm doing Grandma's. 11 days out.

           

           

           

           

          DW - I was watching the golf tournament this weekend in Ohio and I couldn't believe how bad these cicadas are. I grew up with them my whole life, but I never saw so many that were on people. 

           

          They are now thick enough in this area that they are showing up on the weather radar, believe it or not.

          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

           

          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

          Marky_Mark_17


            JMac - like Darkwave said, if nothing else, it's a good workout.

             

            Zebano - I got on board with Global Donut Day too.  No danger of me missing that one.

             

            On the Strava thing, I know people that have actively switched off Strava because they were finding they got too sucked into going for CR's etc. and it compromised their running (to the point of getting injured in one or two cases).  I like Strava for the social aspects, I might have a go at the odd CR IF it fits into a workout I'm doing, but I also find it easy enough to ignore all that stuff.

             

            Corey- good week, happy shoe shopping.

             

            Keen - another good and wildlife-filled week there!

             

            Watson - fair call.  We are very good at weather complaining.

            5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

            HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

            * Net downhill course

            Last race: Meridian Hydro Half Marathon (trail), 7 Aug, 1:19:44 (2nd)

            Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

            CommanderKeen


            Aspiring Hobby Jogger

              JMac - I don't know why, but I love the Kiwi Point chart.

              The workout does sound rather difficult, but honestly I'm kinda excited about it. I think for this one I may actually take a water bottle with me.
              What airline did you book your flight with? Have a hotel already?
              I need to make some plans soon, but DW can't seem to decide if she wants to come along or not.

              5k: 18:24 5/21 (solo track TT) │ 10k: 38:29 9/21 │ HM: 1:24:16 11/19 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

               

              Upcoming Races:

               

              11/13 - Holiday Hustle 10k

              11/25 - OKC Turkey Tracks 5k

              12/4 - Tucson Marathon?

              12/5 - California International Marathon

              zebano


                Hold up here. KiwiPoint = Temperature (in Fahrenheit????) + Dew Point

                 

                (or is it + humidity)

                 

                Either way why are they using Fahrenheit?? The world's turned upside down again. 

                 

                Also 2 miles at 10k... ugg. I tried 3x1.5mi earlier this year as a with quarter mile recoveries as a peak workout before my 10k and it was ruff (also the day my calf cramped and I developed PF).

                1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

                CommanderKeen


                Aspiring Hobby Jogger

                  Zebano - Kiwi Point = Temperature (in Freedom Units) + Dew Point (also in Freedom Units). We don't question why it is the way it is, we only know that it is.

                  5k: 18:24 5/21 (solo track TT) │ 10k: 38:29 9/21 │ HM: 1:24:16 11/19 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

                   

                  Upcoming Races:

                   

                  11/13 - Holiday Hustle 10k

                  11/25 - OKC Turkey Tracks 5k

                  12/4 - Tucson Marathon?

                  12/5 - California International Marathon

                  JMac11


                  Milkman

                    Frankly, I can't even remember how we started calling temperature plus dew point "Kiwi Points." It probably came about because they love complaining at temperatures for workouts that we wouldn't even think about, e.g. "mate it was brutal out there, reached almost 20 today, felt like a kiwi roasting on the barbie"

                     

                    Anyway it's a very good chart that does a good job emphasizing that relative humidity doesn't matter much. 70F dew points at 80F temperatures (70% humidity) feels way more humid / worse for running than 60F with 100% humidity (i.e. 60F dew point)

                    5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:00 (10/21)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                     

                    Next Race: CIM (12/5)

                    JMac11


                    Milkman

                      Keen - I'm flying on JetBlue. I love them as an airline and don't even check other rates when I can take them cross country. Their experience is just so much better than other options out of NYC. Staying at the Hyatt Regency. I told my wife not to bother: Sacramento ain't much to see, I'm going to be arriving Friday so she has to sit around for 2 days doing nothing, and taking an 18 month old on a 6+ hour flight isn't exactly my idea of a perfect taper. We booked another trip in October instead to the Dominican Republic

                      5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:00 (10/21)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                       

                      Next Race: CIM (12/5)

                      SteveChCh


                      Hot Weather Complainer

                        Ahhh JMac always exaggerating!  As someone who has run in NZ and many states in the USA (e.g. New York, California, Florida, Texas...), I can say Auckland is the most sapping.  End of discussion.

                        PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                        Recent Races:    Queenstown Half-Marathon (trail) November 21, 2020 1:35.11 Cherry Blossom Half-Marathon, September 13, 2020 1:33:38 Half-Marathon Time Trial May 31, 2020 1:31.51  

                        Race plan:  Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon November 7 (Target: PR), Christchurch Marathon April 10, 2022 (Target: Sub 3:20 and no cancellation)

                        darkwave


                        Mother of Cats

                          Ahhh JMac always exaggerating!  As someone who has run in NZ and many states in the USA (e.g. New York, California, Florida, Texas...), I can say Auckland is the most sapping.  End of discussion.

                           

                          I'm going to ask my Kiwi teammate about this as well...

                           

                          Re: humidity - I actually think that relative humidity is somewhat important.   For example, given temp and DP of 62, or temp of 66 and DP of 58, I'd frankly take the latter.  There's something about 100 % relative humidity that can suck even when it's relatively cool.  It feels strange - you are cold when standing still, but overheat when running.

                           

                          And then of course, you have sun versus overcast skies....

                          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                           

                          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                          Marky_Mark_17


                            Frankly, I can't even remember how we started calling temperature plus dew point "Kiwi Points." It probably came about because they love complaining at temperatures for workouts that we wouldn't even think about, e.g. "mate it was brutal out there, reached almost 20 today, felt like a kiwi roasting on the barbie"

                             

                            In general we tend to not cook protected species on the barbie unless we're really hungry or bored.

                            5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                            HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                            * Net downhill course

                            Last race: Meridian Hydro Half Marathon (trail), 7 Aug, 1:19:44 (2nd)

                            Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

                            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                            watsonc123


                              Zebano - what did you not like about the Endorphin Pro?a

                               

                              Jmac -  Well done on the win.  Your time was good given the heat.

                               

                              Cfar - good week.

                               

                              Re the pacing lights.  That and the shoes and tracks makes it impossible to compare today's times with yesteryear.

                              PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                               

                              40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                              watsonc123


                                Darkwave - nice week.

                                 

                                Keen - huge week as normal.

                                PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                                 

                                40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)