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Garmin pace accuracy (Read 2422 times)


Former runner

    Got my Forerunner 405 yesterday. Big grin The only thing I noticed was that the pace during the run seemed to fluctuate a bit and I felt like I was going faster than what it said. When I downloaded the data, the average pace was about a minute faster than what I thought it was. My only thought was that it was raining slightly which could affect the satelite signals. The GPS accuracy was showing around 20ft at the time. Is this normal for cloudy days?

    Ross

      Got my Forerunner 405 yesterday. Big grin The only thing I noticed was that the pace during the run seemed to fluctuate a bit and I felt like I was going faster than what it said. When I downloaded the data, the average pace was about a minute faster than what I thought it was. My only thought was that it was raining slightly which could affect the satelite signals. The GPS accuracy was showing around 20ft at the time. Is this normal for cloudy days?
      GPS accuracy of 20 is fine. Which average pace was displayed? Just wondering because the "real-time" average pace will move around a lot - making it easy to to be confused about. Changing the average pace displayed to be the average pace for the the lap or the entire workout is a much more stable number and you shouldn't have issues with thinking you went faster or slower than you actually did.

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      fanreffic

        I agree with Bonkin, Instant pace on any Garmin is notoriously inaccurate. But average lap pace should be bang on. Unless you're running in a cave I'd expect it to be within seconds of your actual average pace. A minute would be totally unacceptable.
          I would think 20 feet accuracy is great! Yeah, the pace fluctuates (I asked about this when I got a 305. You may want to do some searches for others' experiences. I tried searching too when I first got my 305 and posted ?s when I couldn't find exactly what I was after. A lot of responses were generated to those questions, so you may find some interesting reading.) I'm hoping to accurately boil this down for you: If you are refering to lap pace or current pace, I've been told it can be all over the place for say, the first .25 miles, then will settle in. I have glanced at mine and saw an unusually fast pace and have just discounted it. Wondered if arm swing comes into play. I just discount it. What I did for my 305 is set up a lap pace (based on miles) and an average pace. So if the lap pace seems "off" for a bit, I still have an idea where I am based on the overall average pace. That setup seemed to help and was pretty darn accurate in my marathon. Though I have a 305, I can't imagine the functionality differs compared to the 405.


          Former runner

            I'll have to change the screen to use the average pace. I was using the instant pace. I knew something was wrong when it said I was slowing down under the trees.

            Ross

            JakeKnight


              A lot of people use "lap pace" instead of instant pace or average pace. So its set to auto-lap (for a mile, for example), it starts tracking your pace over at each split. It might not be perfect at any given moment, but it gives you close to perfect over a mile or half mile. A lot better than average pace. And you can guarantee hitting splits where you want them. MTA: never mind. Should have read the thread. What Bonkin said.

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              jEfFgObLuE


              I've got a fever...

                Yeah, lap pace is the way to go, with lap length greater than 1/2 mile (I prefer 1-mile). It's due to the fact that "instantaneous" velocity depends on a very small sample of data points. Since pace is time/distance, pace error will magnified at short distances due to the variation of the satellite data. Two things: 1) Under Settings-->Running-->Speed Units, be sure that "Most" smoothing is selected. This will force the device to sample more points for pace. The value will not be quite so "instantaneous", but it may help make it less jumpy. 2) Best option is to use lap pace. Auto-laps of 1 mi (or 1km if you've got your metric on) will give you a good read on your current pace once you're about 0.25mi into the lap (the point at which GPS variations don't seem to matter as much).
                I'll have to change the screen to use the average pace. I was using the instant pace. I knew something was wrong when it said I was slowing down under the trees.
                I have average pace on one of my screens, but lap pace is the best one to use for your current pace.

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                kcam


                  I usually run with lap pace, lap distance, and pace displayed with autolap on and at 1 mile if I'm trying to hit a certain pace for my run. If I'm just out doing a run I just have avg pace and distance displayed with autolap turned off. Pace is useful to me as long as I have the pace smoothing set to MORE as Jeff said. Less than that makes it too variable and the MOST setting takes too long to respond to pace adjustments.


                  uncontrollable

                    OMG - that's the problem! Thanks - I'll try that.

                    peace


                    Former runner

                      I switched to lap pace and auto laps and had much better luck on the past couple of runs. I also decided I had too many screens setup for the auto scroll function. Being a new gadget I set up just about everything possible but it was too much to scroll through when running. I simplified the screens to just lap pacing and heart rate. I will probably turn off the pace bunny while training since it doesn't really seem necessary when not racing.

                      Ross

                      jEfFgObLuE


                      I've got a fever...

                        I switched to lap pace and auto laps and had much better luck on the past couple of runs. I also decided I had too many screens setup for the auto scroll function.
                        Good job. When you suddenly have access to all of this information, it's tempting to try to show as much as possible. Better to pare it down to what you feel you really need to know. I have a 305 and I usually have no more than 3 things showing at one (which allows one of them to be larger in size). On race day, all I display is total distance and lap pace.

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                          Although on race day I always turn off the autolap and manually lap at the mile markers. Prevents any discrepancy from throwing off my plan too much.

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