Forums >General Running>30-20-10 ? What's all the fuzz?
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I read about these intervals on the internet.
The claims seem pretty bold: Reducing the milage to a half, improve speed, cure baldness...
Of course, nobody says if the runners they tested it on where elites, advanced runners or just novices doing 10 miles a week... and most importantly: What where they training for? 10K? Half Marathon?
I'm not trying to critize the study or the interval (the references and link were to vague anyway). Almost on the contrary: It sounds like fun.
I just don't see the point on cutting down mileage. I did try a session of 5 sets of 5 intervals (30-20-10 + 2mins at recovery pace in between each set) and it felt rather good. What is your experience with them? Are they of any value for a guy who already makes the classical quarter, halfs and miles, strides, etc?
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I found this:
A just-published paper in the Journal of Applied Physiology outlines a new workout that could become as popular as Yasso 800s, because the “numbers” are just as simple. The new workout is called “30-20-10 training” (or 10-20-30). Veteran runners who followed the training for just 7 weeks improved their 5K times by four percent, dropping from 23:03 to 22:16.
MTA: That article says that the control group ran under 9mpw. So are we to conclude that for people running under 9 miles per week, this workout may be beneficial?
It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.
Why is it sideways?
Speedwork helps your 5k time. Especially in older, long time runners who never do speedwork. Q. to the E. to the D.
I read about these intervals on the internet. The claims seem pretty bold: Reducing the milage to a half, improve speed, cure baldness... Of course, nobody says if the runners they tested it on where elites, advanced runners or just novices doing 10 miles a week... and most importantly: What where they training for? 10K? Half Marathon? I'm not trying to critize the study or the interval (the references and link were to vague anyway). Almost on the contrary: It sounds like fun. I just don't see the point on cutting down mileage. I did try a session of 5 sets of 5 intervals (30-20-10 + 2mins at recovery pace in between each set) and it felt rather good. What is your experience with them? Are they of any value for a guy who already makes the classical quarter, halfs and miles, strides, etc?
Oh, God... Seriously, Amby...???
Trying to understand that workout. Is that 3-4 sets of 10 sec at 90% intensity out of every min for 5 minutes, or a total of about 3 minutes of high intensity running in a 20 minute workout supposed to improve speed by 4% (performance in a 1,500-m and a 5-km run improved (P < 0.05) by 21 and 48 s)? Call me skeptical unless the test subjects are new to running.
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9 mpw? And down from there? Who does that? RW. Oh, right...
I'm touching your pants.
In no way does the study recommend cutting mileage. I think that they wanted to isolate the effects of the workout, so they cut the mileage out/down.
I don't think the study is particularly profound or necessary or teaches us anything new, but on the other hand, I do think a lot of long-time runners neglect and underrate the importance of interval work and speed training.
I find it interesting that what people are fixated on here is the lower mileage rather than the point of the study, which is that regular, moderate bouts of faster running done in a controlled way makes you faster. Which is sorta "duh" but then again if you look at how people train...
This is completely true (or at least completely makes sense) but the title makes it sound special with the 30-20-10 thing like it's that specific type of workout that makes the difference. And I think that takes away from the broader, more important and probably more truthful yet very boring point you are making.
I want the magic bullet, please, not some mumbo jumbo about running faster to get faster. Sheesh..
Hey look here I am posting at 4:45 when I should be on my Tuesday run to my prerun before I run. None of that is going to happen, my week is for shit now and I'm grumpy.
That's why morning running is DA BOMB.
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Speedwork helps your 5k time. Especially in older, long time runners who never do speedwork.
Yup. Yawn. Nothing in that study said that the specific speedwork they used there is better than any type of speed workout; only that some fast running is better than zero.
Double yawn.
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Well one of them just gave me the "WTF" shoulder shrug as he was running and I was shuttling by spawn around town. So I'd say he's "Happy".
Yup. Yawn. Nothing in that study said that the specific speedwork they used there is better than any type of speed workout; only that some fast running is better than zero. Double yawn.
But they even limited their study to people running less than 9mpw -- who cares what happens in that low-mileage space?
I need to stop being so negative.
GREAT NEWS!!!
For all the people running 6 miles a week and no speedwork, this workout is the MAGIC BULLET!
So, the take-away here is that speed work makes you faster? Is this news?
Suggestion for this thread: let's make a list of all the things that actually warrant study.
Here, I'll start:
1. Physiological effects of stretching
2. Black holes
3. Craft beer
It should be mathematical, but it's not.