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    I gotta admit: that Garmin thing is pretty cool. I'd never thought about using it like Mikey suggested above, to pre-plan workouts like that. Now that could actually be useful. How hard is it to use? How exactly do you upload all that stuff? Do you have to sign up for something, or is that part of the package? And the biggie: can you just punch your numbers from the Garmin into RunningAhead automatically? (I'm pretty sure this has been covered, just don't know what the answer was. Maybe that's in the works for the future?) Mikey - do you regret not getting the 305 now? Is the HRM the only difference? I've always avoided HRMs ... but then I'd miss out on some of those cool graphs. And let's face it, cool graphs are why I run.
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      The gadget comes with some software called "Traning Center" which, near as I can tell, is only useful for creating workouts like the ones I described and then uploading them. You could create the workouts on the device itself but that woudl get old fast using those tiny buttons. It is really easy to do using Training Center. Uploading all the data to Motionbased is really simple. You just sign up for a free account, download a little agent and then plug in your Garmin. It's that easy. There is no Garmin to RunningAhead integration yet but since Eric himself owns a Garmin, I'm guessing that's on his list. For me its not a big deal to transcribe the data from MotionBased. I don't use the Garmin for every run anyway. I don't regret not gettingthe HRM. But I've gone through the "Would a HRM help me or hurt me?" debate with myself many times over the years and have decided at best it would not help me. So that was never a question. THere are a couple other add-on features like integration with a cadence monitor for biking and some pedometer gizmo for using it indoors or on a treadmill in which I see no value, so I am VERY happy with my 205 decision. It's really whether you want the HRM or not. If you do, or think you might at some point, consider the 305.

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        What's the price difference in the 205 vs. 305?
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          Price difference is about $100. That is essentially for the HRM and strap. Well worth it in my use. Uploading to motionbased is cake. Even a gorilla could do it. You do need to sign up for a free account on motionbased. You can pay a little bnit to get some extra features on motionbased, but I have not done this. I just went out tonight and made up a new course around Vandy to get my total miles in, and did not have to worry about guessing the distance. And Eric is working on a way to upload the Garmin data to RA logs... For tonight's run, I used my GPS, got my 7 miles in 59:56 or something. If I want to look at the pretty graphs, I can upload the data to motionbased. Since I still am sick and am not running very well, I don't want to look at the graphs; they won't be pretty. But I can still easily enter the 7 miles and the 59:56 into my RA log.
            I'm actively ignoring all talk of Garmins, particularly the talk about how you can pre-load workouts into them. Garmins are for geeks. Gimme a timex and a pair of shoes, two turn tables and a microphone. Um... can you monitor your 400 splits as you're running mile repeats?
              Um... can you monitor your 400 splits as you're running mile repeats?
              Sort of. You can set the thing to display your pace for the current lap--it will display your average pace for the current lap as of wherever your are IN the lap. So if you're doing a lap that is 1 mile, you can look at your "lap pace" at .25 miles etc. I actually looked at this a few times when I was doing mile repeats on Sunday--my goal was to have it be its lowest number right when I finished the mile--if that makes sense. So, for example, while running one of the miles, if it said 6:25 at .50, 6:18 at .75, and 6:14 at the end, then I knew I was accelerating throughout the rep, which is what I wanted. One think it does not appear you can do is mix units of measure such as miles and meters--it has to be set for one or the other. Modified to add: Tomorrow I'm going to answer the nagging question of how fast I actually run when I do some of my time-only workouts such as 8 x 2 min on / 1 min off. I have it all programmed and set to go.

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                Um... can you monitor your 400 splits as you're running mile repeats?
                Actually, yes. You can set autolap to lap by location, so that ever time you complete a 400 m lap it registers a split time. If you then want to recover between your 400s, you can either stop the clock OR run back through the same place when ready to start and it will trigger another lap start. Really really cool stuff!
                  Trent, are you talking about doing repeats on the track with the Garmin? Have you done that? I'm thinking I wouldn't want to just since it is not 100% accurate and not having it record my laps at the exact right place would annoy me. And anyway if you're on the track you know your exact distance and pace with just a watch. To me the real benefit of the GPS is being able to do workouts like this anywhere--without a track. I was thinking one way to record your 400m splits while basically doing mile repeats, Jeff, would be to create a workout like this: 1. Warmup until I hit the lap button, 2. Run 400m 3. Run 400m 4. Run 400m 5. Run 400m 6. Recover for x amount of time Then repeat steps 2-5 as many times as you want. This would be easy to create in Training Center and then upload to the Garmin. Modified to remove inadvertent tight-lipped face.

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                    Trent, are you talking about doing repeats on the track with the Garmin? Have you done that? I'm thinking I wouldn't want to just since it is not 100% accurate and not having it record my laps at the exact right place would annoy me.
                    It may think the laps are 410 meters and get the pace messed up, but I KNOW they are 400 meters and I care about the time, not the pace. So it works perfectly. It sets each lap split exactly as I cross the start line, about as well as me pressing the button myself. But it is easier than pressing it myself. And I don't have to create anything in TC and upload it. I just need to go out and run... I have done this, but it looks like I no longer have it on MB.
                      But couldn't you get the same (actually better) data with a watch? Or are you also interested in the corresponding HR data? In which case, yeah, that makes sense. If I'm doing 400s (or 800s or 1000s or miles or 2000s) on the track, I don't need to create anything in TC either...I just go run with my Timex instead of the Garmin. I think we are seeing this from different perspectives that reflect our different though equally valid reasons for wanting the Garmin in the first place. Okay time to go running...I'm on vacation this week and the whole concept of running when it's light out is really starting to grow on me.

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                        I could do it with a watch. But I have to hit the lap button at the start and stop of each lap. This is easily done, but I would much rather focus on running, form, etc. Since I have the technology on my wrist, I may as well use it. Yes, the HR data is also interesting. Big grin
                          Today's workout, pre-programmed into the Garmin and done over a 10 mile loop course with some rolling hills: ~3 miles easy, 8 x 2 min on / 1 min off, 5:30 easy, 4 x 30 second strides / 1 min recoveries, ~2 miles (to home) easy.

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                          I've got a fever...

                            Garmins are for geeks. Gimme a timex and a pair of shoes, two turn tables and a microphone.
                            Amen Brother!

                            On your deathbed, you won't wish that you'd spent more time at the office.  But you will wish that you'd spent more time running.  Because if you had, you wouldn't be on your deathbed.


                            I've got a fever...

                              I could do it with a watch. But I have to hit the lap button at the start and stop of each lap.
                              I have an old school work-around for that, but it's not perfect. Use a regular watch and use the interval timer to set your pace. Example: It's 1995 and I'm running 3x1600 in 5:20 with 4min recoveries. Using my trusty Timex, I set intervals 1~8 to 40 seconds each. I set the 9th interval to 4:00. Then, I set the whole thing to repeat indefinitely. Once I start, I get an alarm at every 200m letting me know if I'm on pace or not. During the recovery jogs, I try to make sure that I end up at either the start line or the 200m start when the next interval starts. Now, this won't work if you can't keep the pace, or if you want to track or upload your splits. But the nice part is you don't have to look at your watch. Just run and wait for the beep! Big grin

                              On your deathbed, you won't wish that you'd spent more time at the office.  But you will wish that you'd spent more time running.  Because if you had, you wouldn't be on your deathbed.


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                                You can do that on your GPS too. If you don't want to look. I think you can. But I like to look. In 1995, I could run a 1600 in about 12:43. Maybe.
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