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Look I get the "fresh" pacers idea. But what if you could get 5 pacers who could run 1:59:59 pace for 24 miles, instead of the 18 they run now before dropping out? Would we all sit around and say "oh well that's legit because they don't have them for the final 2 miles?" Also, if you ask 99% of the running community who has the women's world record for the marathon, they would say Paula Radcliffe, not Mary Keitany, yet Radcliffe's record is effectively what we're saying is "not record eligible" by the men's standards.
5K: 16:37 (11/20) | 10K: 34:49 (10/19) | HM: 1:14:57 (5/22) | FM: 2:36:31 (12/19)
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Radcliffe didn't have rotating pacers, which is the difference between hers and the Nike/ENEOS attempts. She did have men around here who could run the full distance at that pace, which I'm sure was a benefit. I don't think they were deliberately blocking the wind for her, though. Bringing Paula up could certainly bring up the doping thing again, too. Her record is quantitatively stronger than any female record until you get to maybe the 3,000. Extremely odd, even from a mathematics perspective.
5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22
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I would say if 5 pacers could run that pace for 24 miles they'd have a serious crack at completing the full distance! But those are the rules - and even subtle tweaks outside the rules (like the in/out pacers and wind blocking) make a big difference over the marathon distance.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48
Up next: Runway5, 4 May
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Bringing Paula up could certainly bring up the doping thing again, too. Her record is quantitatively stronger than any female record until you get to maybe the 3,000. Extremely odd, even from a mathematics perspective.
Farah has a similarly crazy range if you look at his times from the 1500m through to the half marathon (and the full).
DPS brought up nutrition earlier, so with that in mind, has anyone tried the new-ish SiS Beta mix? I don't think they make it in gels (yet, anyway), so it would probably be a better "use it in a disposable handheld" thing for a marathon, or perhaps an ultra in which you'd be carrying your own water/nutrition more.
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There are serious question marks over both of them.
5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23
2024 Races:
Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55
Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024
Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024
Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024
I hate to say it as I admire Farah a great deal, but yeah, it's dubious particularly in light of his association with Salazar.
Related question - does anyone have any running role models?
As much as I admire Farah, I probably wouldn't call him a role model as I personally don't find him that relatable. I would probably pick Kiwi runners mostly because I know a lot more about them. Zane Robertson for the way he totally pushed the limits in training, and for his smart race preparation. Nick Willis for his race execution and tactics. Rod Dixon because the way he ran down that dude to win the NYC Marathon was a brilliant combination of race smarts and the sheer hunger you can see on his face.
I would probably pick Kiwi runners
A quick vote for the forum for today's topics: which is more obvious?
A) Salazar is a cheater
B) Mark only has Kiwi running role models.
Tough choice class. Choose carefully.
because I know a lot more about them
Seriously though this does make a big difference. The NZ community is pretty tight-knit (small) and with the big names, often you've either met them, or you know someone who trains with them or knows them well. It gives you a lot more insight into them as an athlete and a person... like most, I think Kipchoge is incredible, but aside from his freakish speed and calm demeanor I'm not going to profess to know a lot about the guy,
3 months til Masters
Frank Shorter-Met him at a few talks he has given.
Steve Prefontaine- Ran from the front and embrace the pain
Ron Clarke- The world records one after another
Jim Ryun- I have a bio of him written while he was in college and the first running book I read as a 7th grader i got from my dad (and it's signed)....not a big fan of his politics later in life but running legend
Also Dan McClimon (Wisconsin Track Coach for my dad and the guy i'm named after)
I hate to say it as I admire Farah a great deal, but yeah, it's dubious particularly in light of his association with Salazar. Related question - does anyone have any running role models? As much as I admire Farah, I probably wouldn't call him a role model as I personally don't find him that relatable. I would probably pick Kiwi runners mostly because I know a lot more about them. Zane Robertson for the way he totally pushed the limits in training, and for his smart race preparation. Nick Willis for his race execution and tactics. Rod Dixon because the way he ran down that dude to win the NYC Marathon was a brilliant combination of race smarts and the sheer hunger you can see on his face.
2023 Goals
Marathon Sub 2:37 (CIM) 2:41:18
10k Sub 35:00 (Victory 10k 34:19)
5k Sub 16:00 (Hot Dash 5k in March (16:48), Brian Kraft in May (16:20), Twilight 5000 in July and August (16:20/16:25 Both heat index 102-103F)
Sub 1:16 Half Marathon City of Lakes Half Marathon 1:15:47)
Sub 56:30 in 10 mile (Twin Cities 10 mile, Canceled due to weather, 56:35 as a workout)
2024 Goals
Sub 2:37 Marathon
Sub 1:15 Half
Sub 34 10k
Sub 16 5k
PS Internally screaming "Snell" at my Kiwi friends
Snell was a bit before my time but I grew up cheering for John Walker, Rod Dixon, and Dick Quax. I also admired the English guns at the time Coe, Ovette, and Cram.
I remember seeing part of " the Molenberg Mile " series at Mount Maunganui back in the late 70s. John Walker was in it and other international milers. I think Steve Scott from the US was there too. The Queen St mile was part of it too back then.
Mark I was on YouTube yesterday and found a video on the recent Great Scottish run which was held last weekend. Zane was in it and I settled in for a cracker race but unfortunately he retired hurt early on.
55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT
" If you don't use it you lose it, but if you use it, it wears out.
Somewhere in between is about right "
The main rival at the end of Once a Runner is based on John Walker named John Walton who is a 3:49 miler who the main character races at the climax.
I'd have to go Martin Crowe, Richie McCaw, Peter Snell and John Key
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Jmac - I find Mary Keitany’s record to be more legit, pacers have a considerable influence on performance.
Mark - No role models in running. I have a hard time relating to pros, and I didn't start following track & field until 3, 4 years ago.
DPS/Marco - I find your lack of emojis on Strava run titles concerning
Worlds champs continues to impress. Did you guys see the athlete presentation on the last race of the night? It's amazing!
Yesterday's men's pole vault final was thrilling.
PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021
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