Why did I stop getting better? (Read 461 times)


Moe Fasta

     

    Your walking mechanics were determined before you could walk. You learned by observing the other humans around you.

     

    As to efficiency, that's a learned skill. If you were born into a shoe wearing culture, then you can learn to run at least 20% faster simply by retraining your body how to move.

     

    Other humans have done it, why can't you?

     

    I stand by my statement - your comments are mostly pointless. So what if my mechanics were set before I could walk? So what if my genetics put some kind of cap on my abilities?

     

    I agree that efficiency is learned. I stated that it will get better with training. Your statement "Your limits of speed are simply a byproduct of your biomechanic efficiencies" is again, pointless and rather incorrect. Limits are also set by how willing someone is to work hard, family and job obligations, etc. While it is true that the fastest runners are the most efficient, your statement applies mostly to elite level runners. For us mere mortals, there are many factors that come first and efficiency will improve with training.

     

    "Other humans have done it, why can't you?" - I have no idea what you are talking about? Your statement, "Speed isn't a question of how much energy you expend to move forward, its how much energy do you waste to move forward." has a kernel of truth wrapped up in BS. You are addressing efficiency again but couching it is unhelpful BS. Your statement indicates that I can expend 1% of my energy at 99.999% efficiency and set a world record. Perhaps in some world of physics that you live in, there is some truth there. But this has no practical application to running. Stripped of all your pseudo scientific BS: Run more = getting more efficient at running.

    - Scott

    2014 Marathons: 05/04 Flying Pig - 09/20 Air Force - 11/01 Indianapolis Monumental


    Fat butt on couch

       

      I stand by my statement - your comments are mostly pointless.

       

      They are, and this troll has been at this since before runningahead existed.  The likelihood that you will be the first to finally find some logic at play is vanishingly small.  Smile

      "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

       

      sport jester


      Biomimeticist

         

        I stand by my statement - your comments are mostly pointless. So what if my mechanics were set before I could walk? So what if my genetics put some kind of cap on my abilities?

         

        I agree that efficiency is learned. I stated that it will get better with training. Your statement "Your limits of speed are simply a byproduct of your biomechanic efficiencies" is again, pointless and rather incorrect. Limits are also set by how willing someone is to work hard, family and job obligations, etc. While it is true that the fastest runners are the most efficient, your statement applies mostly to elite level runners. For us mere mortals, there are many factors that come first and efficiency will improve with training.

         

        "Other humans have done it, why can't you?" - I have no idea what you are talking about? Your statement, "Speed isn't a question of how much energy you expend to move forward, its how much energy do you waste to move forward." has a kernel of truth wrapped up in BS. You are addressing efficiency again but couching it is unhelpful BS. Your statement indicates that I can expend 1% of my energy at 99.999% efficiency and set a world record. Perhaps in some world of physics that you live in, there is some truth there. But this has no practical application to running. Stripped of all your pseudo scientific BS: Run more = getting more efficient at running.

        Efficiency doesn't come with training. Running builds endurance and strength, and with that comes a very slight improvement in efficiency, but nowhere is it able to improve speed by 20% as I can easily teach to do.

         

        If I were to ask you how far a marathon runner runs, and you tell me its 26.2 miles, then I'd call you a barstool trained moron.

        26,2 miles is the map distance of the race, not the distance your body will travel over the duration of any event course.

         

        How high you push yourself up with each step is a variable called your vertical displacement measurement.

        How far to the side you push yourself with each step is called your lateral displacement measurement.

        Its also biologically impossible for you to walk or run in a straight line which is called your drift rate.

         

        If you don't know the measurements for the above variables within your own running technique, then you'll never understand what it means to be a good runner.

         

        Which is why as a scientist, I can tell you that your body travels much further than the map distance of any race. I call it the map to reality ratio.

         

        In fact in a laboratory, I can put a marker on your head and let you run on a treadmill and map the difference for anyone using a video camera. Using extrapolating software, your body actually runs in a figure eight pattern as you move forward. In fact my favorite example of running idiot is the current media darling named Daniel Lieberman. At 1:45, you can watch is head and see for yourself what a pathetic fool looks like running.

         

        Oh, and its also for his stupidity, his shoe sponsor Vibram is getting their asses sued in a class action lawsuit. Funny that no barefoot running coach in the world mentions that fact in any of their barfing.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICNaSah5bAs

         

        Understanding that reality is the difference between fraud and real science is what I teach.

         

        So while the elite runners travel between 30-32 miles in a marathon race, you travel anywhere from 36-39 miles in a race event. Even the writer of this article only mentions vertical and lateral displacement measurements. He isn't smart enough to understand running drift.

         

        Not to mention that his technique improvement advice is pure lunacy.

        http://www.nytimes.com/1990/04/16/sports/on-your-own-runner-s-shortest-path-straight-line.html?src=pm

         

        Specifics for you: There are six running techniques documented to exist in the human species. Kenyans are better distance runners than you are(born, raised, and trained in a shoe wearing culture), African pygmies are faster than you are, the aborigines are better sprinters than you are (yes even faster than Usain Bolt). And for agility skills, the Porters of Nepal far exceed their shoe wearing counterparts for cutting skills and protecting themselves from ACL tears.

         

        And yet since no "expert" in running can duplicate such abilities, even though they're documented to exist, is why improving by 20% in reality is so easy to do.

         

        That your ego is too fragile to try a different approach is your problem, not mine.

         

        Or you can start with the masking tape exercise of this story link I use with my athletic and military clients and introduce yourself to how the best runners in the world actually run.

         

        You can prove to yourself in less than 10 minutes if what I teach is legitimate for yourself. Or you can keep reading advice from people with absolutely no education in biomechanics at all and continue wondering why you can't become a better runner.

         

        Yes, I'm the Robert in his article.

        http://www.military.com/military-fitness/running/evolution-of-learning-how-to-run-distance

         

        And I'll gladly answer any questions for you.

        Experts said the world is flat

        Experts said that man would never fly

        Experts said we'd never go to the moon

         

        Name me one of those "experts"...

         

        History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


        Prince of Fatness

          And I'll gladly answer any questions for you.

           

          Yeah there was a lot of gladly in that post for sure.

           

          I will say that there is one place where you show great efficiency ..... slinging insults.

          Semi-retired.

          sport jester


          Biomimeticist

            Sling insults?

             

            I suggest you go back to the drawing board....

             

            If you don't like being called an internet idiot. Prove yourself otherwise.

             

            Cite the science which proves me wrong.

             

            Since you can't, all you can do is insult me...

            Experts said the world is flat

            Experts said that man would never fly

            Experts said we'd never go to the moon

             

            Name me one of those "experts"...

             

            History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


            Prince of Fatness

              Sling insults?

               

              I suggest you go back to the drawing board....

               

              If you don't like being called an internet idiot. Prove yourself otherwise.

               

              Classic Jester right there.

               

              Prove yourself otherwise.

               

              Why?  You don't ever have to prove anything you say.

               

              Since you can't, all you can do is insult me...

               

              Please quote the post where I have personally insulted you.

              Semi-retired.


              Ostrich runner

                A data point does not equal science. In most instances, a significant outlier that isn't reproducible means that a variable is being missed. If it's easy to reproduce, then reproduce it, and people will take it seriously.

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                C-R


                  Oh boy! Aborigines are faster than Usain Bolt. Funny, I didn't see them on the line at the past two Olympics or World Championships. Perhaps I was watching the wrong channel. Crappy cable company.

                   

                  Back to the topic and away from the side show carnival barking for a second.

                   

                  From personal experience, I lean towards being a bit stale. I've found myself falling into training ruts. Once I change up things a bit it helps for improvement. Also, adding drills helped too. Pete Magill (a real coach and wicked fast racer) has some for us old folks at http://petemagill.blogspot.com/ which links to more information at Running Times. Of course he's no scientist so take Magill's advice with a grain of salt.


                  "He conquers who endures" - Persius
                  "Every workout should have a purpose. Every purpose should link back to achieving a training objective." - Spaniel

                  sport jester


                  Biomimeticist

                    Experts said the world is flat

                    Experts said that man would never fly

                    Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                     

                    Name me one of those "experts"...

                     

                    History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


                    Ostrich runner

                      It isn't a start.

                      http://www.runningahead.com/groups/Indy/forum


                      HobbyJogger & HobbyRacer

                        Of course I prove everything I say:

                         

                        I don't think that word means what you think it means.

                        It's a 5k. It hurt like hell...then I tried to pick it up. The end.

                          Are those articles encouraging runners to get Ostrich joints and tendons?  or  SJ can somehow de-evolve humans into ostriches, I am confused.

                          sport jester


                          Biomimeticist

                            It isn't a start.

                             

                            For internet idiots it never will be....

                             

                            But if you actually comprehend science instead of quackery, it most definitely does.

                             

                            Explaining its connection to the masking tape exercise takes intelligence. A personality trait few regular posters here have...

                            Experts said the world is flat

                            Experts said that man would never fly

                            Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                             

                            Name me one of those "experts"...

                             

                            History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong

                            sport jester


                            Biomimeticist

                              Are those articles encouraging runners to get Ostrich joints and tendons?  or  SJ can somehow de-evolve humans into ostriches, I am confused.

                               

                              Ostriches have two legs, and humans have two legs. How is that relationship of speed development so difficult to understand for you.

                               

                              Navy SEALs can figure it out or is your IQ lower than my shoe size?

                              Experts said the world is flat

                              Experts said that man would never fly

                              Experts said we'd never go to the moon

                               

                              Name me one of those "experts"...

                               

                              History never remembers the name of experts; just the innovators who had the guts to challenge and prove the "experts" wrong


                              Ostrich runner

                                Again, everyone gets that you've made a hypothesis and why you've made that hypothesis. It's an interesting one, and, frankly, I wouldn't be overly surprised if you found some good methods. That's still not science, it's just an inference. Other than that, you've told us that various people and groups have taken an interest in your hypothesis. None seem to actually use it, so we don't have any data at all. That's how science works.

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