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WMA Age Grading and Talent Level (Read 66 times)

Stevepf


    For those of you familiar with WMA age grading standards, what do you think is the maximum % a runner of average talent can achieve?

    This is just theoretical, so let's set aside practical limitations such as time available to train, access to resources such as top-level coaching and so forth.

    AndyTN


    Overweight per CDC BMI

      Define average runner. I am normally finishing in the top 8-9% of the top local races in my area but my PR's are slow compared to a lot of the amature runners on this forum. I would not consider many people on RA as average runners. My half PR is an age grade of only 58% so even with a few more years of very consistent training,  I doubt I will be able to get better than 65% before I turn 40.

      Memphis / 36 male

      5k - 21:01 / 10k - 45:20 / Half - 1:40:17 / Full - I completed 26.2

      wcrunner2


      Are we there, yet?

        I think that will vary a lot depending on the race distance.  Since performance in longer events is highly dependent on mileage, and average runners don't run high mileage, age graded rankings are going to be higher for the shorter distances.  I ran a few numbers through the AG calculator using a small set of arbitrary numbers, and the values fell in the 50 +/- range.

         2022 Races:

              03/19 Pistol Ultra 50K - 7:27:25

              04/02 Alexander County 6-Hour - 25.146 miles

              05/14 3 Days at the Fair 12-Hour - 35 miles

              05/28 What the Duck 12-Hour Team - 31.68 miles

              07/02 Merrill's Mile 6-Hour - 21.7844 miles
              09/03 Hainesport 12-Hour
              10/08 One Day at the Fair 50K 

         

        Stevepf


          Can't really define it. Can only infer from expected results vs. actual results. For example, if a runner trains little relative to his peers, is carrying extra weight, and does not execute his races well, yet manages to somehow consistently outperform his peers, that must be due to above-average talent. What else could it be?

           

          Define average runner. I am normally finishing in the top 8-9% of the top local races in my area but my PR's are slow compared to a lot of the amature runners on this forum. I would not consider many people on RA as average runners. My half PR is an age grade of only 58% so even with a few more years of very consistent training,  I doubt I will be able to get better than 65% before I turn 40.

          wcrunner2


          Are we there, yet?

            I think that will vary a lot depending on the race distance.  Since performance in longer events is highly dependent on mileage, and average runners don't run high mileage, age graded rankings are going to be higher for the shorter distances.  I ran a few numbers through the AG calculator using a small set of arbitrary numbers, and the values fell in the 50 +/- range.

             

            Based on the difference in my own numbers between when I was training seriously (60-70 mpw and regular speed work) and more casually (30 mpw and occasional speed work), I expect one could raise the rating by 10-15 points.

             2022 Races:

                  03/19 Pistol Ultra 50K - 7:27:25

                  04/02 Alexander County 6-Hour - 25.146 miles

                  05/14 3 Days at the Fair 12-Hour - 35 miles

                  05/28 What the Duck 12-Hour Team - 31.68 miles

                  07/02 Merrill's Mile 6-Hour - 21.7844 miles
                  09/03 Hainesport 12-Hour
                  10/08 One Day at the Fair 50K 

             

            AndyTN


            Overweight per CDC BMI

              if a runner trains little relative to his peers, is carrying extra weight, and does not execute his races well, yet manages to somehow consistently outperform his peers

              Steve, seems like you have been paying attention to my running journey for the past 6-12 months...

              Memphis / 36 male

              5k - 21:01 / 10k - 45:20 / Half - 1:40:17 / Full - I completed 26.2