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HM Tune-Up Race Two Weeks Before Marathon? (Read 91 times)

Elfear


    I'm planning on running a marathon this Spring and I've already signed up for a 1/2 marathon on April 4. One of the marathons I'm looking at near me is on April 18. I'm using a Pfitz 18/55 plan that calls for a tune-up race a couple weeks before the marathon but I believe he recommends a 5k or 10k rather than a HM.

     

    Is the HM going to be too close to my actual race? I'm hoping to PR in both my half and full next year but the full is the higher priority.

    NorNev


      It's too close, takes at least a week to recover from a half and you need that time to prepare for the full, I would schedule your full at least 1 month after your half. A 5K or a 10k is a good tune up race before your Marathon.

       

      Ive done a half just before a full and had some dead legs at the end full, but I'm not very smart

       

      Good Luck

      slingrunner


        I'm planning on running a marathon this Spring and I've already signed up for a 1/2 marathon on April 4. One of the marathons I'm looking at near me is on April 18. I'm using a Pfitz 18/55 plan that calls for a tune-up race a couple weeks before the marathon but I believe he recommends a 5k or 10k rather than a HM.

         

        Is the HM going to be too close to my actual race? I'm hoping to PR in both my half and full next year but the full is the higher priority.

         

        The half is too close to go all out..  pfitz says to limit yourself to a 10K 2 weeks out.  If you have a weak half PR maybe you could still improve your time.

        5k- 18:55 (2018)    10K- 39:04 (2017)    Marathon- 3:00:10 (2018)

        Elfear


          Okay, thanks for the advice. I'll find a marathon sometime in May.

          Biking Bad


          finnegan begin again

            There are many wiser and more experienced runners here to follow than me. I ran a half 2 weeks before the marathon as part of a training plan with +/- 40 mpw.  I was fresh for my marathon and felt confident in my pacing.

             

            Unfortunately I continued to train too aggressively for a hilly marathon to follow that marathon. I think I did not allow myself to recover properly. It culminated with a bad plantar fascia issue a week before the 2nd marathon. I foolishly ran that marathon anyway. Thus proving to me that you cannot train for a hilly marathon.

             

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            "... the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value..."  Thomas Paine Dec 23, 1776 The Crisis 

             

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            Elfear


              There are many wiser and more experienced runners here to follow than me. I ran a half 2 weeks before the marathon as part of a training plan with +/- 40 mpw.  I was fresh for my marathon and felt confident in my pacing.

               

              Unfortunately I continued to train too aggressively for a hilly marathon to follow that marathon. I think I did not allow myself to recover properly. It culminated with a bad plantar fascia issue a week before the 2nd marathon. I foolishly ran that marathon anyway. Thus proving to me that you cannot train for a hilly marathon.

               

              The best lessons are learned through experience. And the most painful

               

              How did you run your half? HM race pace or take it a little easier knowing you had your full in a couple weeks?

              kcam


                If you run the HM and the Marathon both all-out it's likely too close, you probably wouldn't be recovered for the marathon.

                Marky_Mark_17


                  A 5k or 10k 2 weeks out is ideal.  A half marathon is probably overdoing it, unless you were to use it as a marathon pace workout and not race it at full half marathon effort.

                  5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:58 (Nov-19) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                  HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                  Last race: Bays Night of 5's 5000m, 20 Dec, 15:39 (PB)

                  Up next: Southern Lakes Half Marathon, 4 Apr

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                  Biking Bad


                  finnegan begin again

                     

                    How did you run your half? HM race pace or take it a little easier knowing you had your full in a couple weeks?

                     

                    It's hard to know for sure. It was certainly beyond a tempo pace. Perhaps I could have squeezed up to 10 sec/mile more. It measures up compared to my other results at the time.

                    "... the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value..."  Thomas Paine Dec 23, 1776 The Crisis 

                     

                    Adversity is the first path to truth. Lord Byron

                     

                    "No one plans to fail…..they fail to plan" Skinny Pete

                    kcam


                      A 5k or 10k 2 weeks out is ideal.  A half marathon is probably overdoing it, unless you were to use it as a marathon pace workout and not race it at full half marathon effort.

                       

                      Exactly.  And then, why pay HM entry money for a workout?


                      Elite Jogger

                         

                        Exactly.  And then, why pay HM entry money for a workout?

                         

                        I think some folk do that because a 13 mile run at MP is easier mentally in a race environment than running it solo?

                         

                        I raced a half 2 weeks before a full once and it actually worked out very well and ran big PRs in both races. I think the higher your weekly mileage the quicker you’ll recover from races/workouts. Whether you’ll actually gain the fitness benefits from the half is hard to say as it takes about 7/10 days for a medium effort threshold and 10/12 days for a hard effort threshold run. I would guess that a half might take a bit longer than that.

                        5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                        Brewing Runner


                        3:56 marathoner at heart

                           

                          Exactly.  And then, why pay HM entry money for a workout?

                           

                          race day practice. Panic urinating before the start, forgetting a pair of gloves, figuring out how to stay warm at the start, trying a gel strategy, running with a pack instead of solo, get a new shirt and medal, and having a closed course for your workout are a few reasons to run a half marathon for a workout. Just the closed course and race atmosphere can be beneficial. I did a long run with a 10K and 8K race and both of those I ran faster than if I'd just run solo. it wasn't intentional, but it happened.

                           

                          As for two weeks before a half marathon. No way in hell would I do it as a race. Supported long run only and it would probably be the LAST long run of the cycle.

                          1 mile: 5:38 (September 2018)

                          5K: 20:23 (March 2018)

                          10K: 42:11 (May 2018)

                          Half: 1:29* (2019 CIM first half)

                          Marathon 2:59* (2019 CIM)

                          Annual Miles 2,121 miles

                          *CIM is a NET downhill course and the weather is unpredictable.

                           

                          2020 Goal: Short Distance PRs so people won't make fun of me. 

                          kcam


                            No thanks.  Don't need to practice panicking or any of that other stuff.  People stress too much over this sport ... It's just running! I'll keep my money and do the proper workout in the comfort of my home course.

                            Brewing Runner


                            3:56 marathoner at heart

                              No thanks.  Don't need to practice panicking or any of that other stuff.  People stress too much over this sport ... It's just running! I'll keep my money and do the proper workout in the comfort of my home course.

                               

                              I guess that is why ElFear is here asking about racing it and you aren't. You have more experience about it.

                               

                               

                               

                              ElFear if there is a timing mat at half way you could always race the first 10K of the half then shut it down and do a cool down for the second part.

                              1 mile: 5:38 (September 2018)

                              5K: 20:23 (March 2018)

                              10K: 42:11 (May 2018)

                              Half: 1:29* (2019 CIM first half)

                              Marathon 2:59* (2019 CIM)

                              Annual Miles 2,121 miles

                              *CIM is a NET downhill course and the weather is unpredictable.

                               

                              2020 Goal: Short Distance PRs so people won't make fun of me. 


                              Elite Jogger

                                No thanks.  Don't need to practice panicking or any of that other stuff.  People stress too much over this sport ... It's just running! I'll keep my money and do the proper workout in the comfort of my home course.

                                 

                                Exactly. A full marathon is completely different to a half and it’s kind of pointless trying out gels because most folk won’t even need them for a half anyway and it’s a LOT more difficult to digest them in the second half of a marathon. Forgetting a pair of gloves??? That’s just forgetfulness.

                                5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

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