Covid 19 (Read 346 times)

Bblack


    and those who tested positive had a 98% chance of surviving. No political affiliation required to look at the numbers and say it wasn’t a big deal. 

     

    To be fair, that's the survival rate with the precautions we took to not overrun hospitals/emergency rooms. You think if we did nothing that survival rate would be what it was?

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      To be fair, that's the survival rate with the precautions we took to not overrun hospitals/emergency rooms. You think if we did nothing that survival rate would be what it was?

      Hospitals were never over run. Our locals were told to go home and ride it out for two weeks because we didn’t want to overrun hospitals. Hospitals are also supposed to run near capacity because when they’re empty there is no money coming in. 

      The survival rate before the vaccine was issued, and before masks were mandatory everywhere,  was 98% so yes I think if we ‘did nothing’ the survival rate would be the same and I expect, like everyone else who agreed with lockdowns and required a vaccine before returning to the new normal, you’ll disagree. It’s amazing how diverse America is and how many different ways there are to analyze data to support one side of a discussion. 

      the part I never understood was people who had cancer for 5 years had their cause of death listed as COVID-19 when they died.

      Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

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        A year ago at this time, my dad was in hospice with severe lung issues.  If he had gotten COVID, he would have died.

         

        As it is, he recovered and is back to driving, organizing a two-day forensic engineering conference, serving on Boards of Directors, etc.  So yes, if he had gotten COVID, it would have been his cause of death even though he had underlying issues.  I imagine that applies to a lot of other people.  They would have died eventually, but COVID hastened their demise.


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          the part I never understood was people who had cancer for 5 years had their cause of death listed as COVID-19 when they died.

           

          So by this logic, if this same cancer patient was killed in an automobile crash, you'd object to the cause of death being due to injuries sustained in the crash.

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          Bblack


            . It’s amazing how diverse America is and how many different ways there are to analyze data to support one side of a discussion. 

             

            I'm sure I'm guilty of this too, but you are kidding yourself if you think all the data out there supports one side (aka your side) of the discussion. Did we over do it on some of the lockdown stuff?  Maybe. I think there is an argument than can be made. On the flip side, I don't think it was ever asking to much too just where a damn mask and get a vaccine. You'd also have to be pretty cynical to say almost 600ks deaths is no big deal. Just my 2 cents. But hey, I'm just a hobby jogger so what do I know.

              Politics are poison.

               

              The best thing Merikuh could do for itself is abolish political parties. They thrive on the manipulation of the gullible and desperate. That's why we have such sensationalist "ideas" about CV19, and science in general.

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                Whatever replaced politics would cause the exact same divisions masks and vaccines caused. The haves for the have nots. Capulets and Montagues.

                 

                Politics are poison.

                 

                The best thing Merikuh could do for itself is abolish political parties. They thrive on the manipulation of the gullible and desperate. That's why we have such sensationalist "ideas" about CV19, and science in general.

                Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                Andres1045


                  How are things in Florida and Texas?

                   

                  Texas seems to be doing well now. It was interesting. Abbott's decision to totally open back up was so clearly a way to distract from the freeze/electric grid debacle. It seemed like a terrible decision at the time, but looks like it was totally fine. Despite disagreeing with nearly everything he does, I think he's done a fairly good job balancing both extremes of the political spectrum during the pandemic based on the information he had at the time (except for his decisions involving schools). His decision to open up last May was clearly wrong, but made sense at the time. And he reversed it quick enough. I also think that the local leaders, at least at the city and county levels in Houston (which are on the opposite political end of the spectrum) have done a good job (again, except for how they handled schools) and have worked well with state-wide leaders. Of course there are places in Texas that have suffered way worse than we ever did in Houston, probably just because we have an enormous hospital bed capacity and a huge amount of medical staff.

                   

                  But having split time between Houston and Barcelona during the pandemic, it's been crazy to see the difference up close. In Houston there have been way fewer restrictions, yet people seem to self regulate and have shut themselves off to the outside world way more. Sure, there wasn't a lot of mask wearing outside of grocery stores and so forth, but also much fewer people seemed to be outside or going out to eat and enjoying life. Many places seemed to shut down because no one went to eat. Downtown was a total ghost town until about April, with maybe 10% of the capacity it had before the pandemic. My guess is 8 out of 10 restaurants downtown were closed. In Barcelona things have been super strict. Yet people are out and about. There have been many afternoons here that you would have been amazed at how much life seemed to be normal, but for everyone wearing a mask. Bars and restaurants have been packed the hours they've been allowed to be open. The school year in Houston has been a total shit show with a hybrid remote/non remote system and about half the kids at home or kind of lost in the system, yet in Barcelona it's been quite close to normal, with no remote option.

                   

                  The part that I have always been confused about is the hesitancy to wear masks (and I have haaated wearing a mask). Whether you believe it works or not, if everyone wearing a masks lets life be as close to normal as we'll get, why not advocate for that? Tilman Fertitta, who owns Landry's (restaurants, hotels and casinos), tends to be fairly conservative I think. But he was a huge mask proponent early on. His thing was if this is a way to make people comfortable to go out and do things, then we all need to wear it. That made a lot of sense to me. Why didn't more conservatives from the business world push for that? But instead, it just became understood that if you were conservative, you needed to hate masks. And if you were liberal, you need to hate people that hated wearing masks. So yes, absolutely agree with politics being poison.

                   

                  In the end though, not really sure how anyone can make a firm conclusion as to what regulations were best or what government handled the situation best until about 5 to 10 years from now. At that point we'll have a better idea of the long term health, educational and economic impacts of it all.

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                    The part that I have always been confused about is the hesitancy to wear masks (and I have haaated wearing a mask). Whether you believe it works or not, if everyone wearing a masks lets life be as close to normal as we'll get, why not advocate for that? Tilman Fertitta, who owns Landry's (restaurants, hotels and casinos), tends to be fairly conservative I think. But he was a huge mask proponent early on. His thing was if this is a way to make people comfortable to go out and do things, then we all need to wear it. That made a lot of sense to me. Why didn't more conservatives from the business world push for that? But instead, it just became understood that if you were conservative, you needed to hate masks. And if you were liberal, you need to hate people that hated wearing masks. So yes, absolutely agree with politics being poison.

                     

                    I always thought this was one of the biggest mistakes of the pandemic in the US.  Masking was always announced in conjunction with restrictions - encouraging the perception of masks as one more restriction.  Had masking always been announced in connection with LOOSENING of restrictions, it would have created a perception that masks were how to move forward towards normal life.

                     

                    Your observations on Barcelona versus Houston are fascinating.  Especially from my local bubble, where my circle of friends are mostly fervent liberals, who have been fierce in their support for how Europe has handled the pandemic, while decrying Texas as one step form hell (only a slight exaggeration)

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                    rectumdamnnearkilledem

                      the part I never understood was people who had cancer for 5 years had their cause of death listed as COVID-19 when they died.

                       

                      If someone is still alive 5 years after diagnosis, it generally means their cancer is not particularly aggressive and/or they are living with "no evidence of disease" -- which potentially means that they have cancer at an undetectable level...what used to be deemed "remission."

                       

                      If a person with active Cancer or a previous Cancer diagnosis contracts Covid and dies from Covid symptoms, then their death is the result of Covid, not Cancer. If they would still be alive had they not contracted Covid, then Covid is the cause of death. The presence of Cancer is coincidental. No different than a person with diabetes or asthma or high BP succumbing to Covid.

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                        the part I never understood was people who had cancer for 5 years had their cause of death listed as COVID-19 when they died.

                         

                        It’s because COVID killed them. Don’t overthink it dude.

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                          It’s because COVID killed them. Don’t overthink it dude.

                           

                          Finished them off dude.....what is the average covid age death?

                           

                          The UK is averaging less than 10 covid deaths per day in a population of 68 million..but we still can’t get back to normal. 

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                            Finished them off dude.....what is the average covid age death?

                             

                            The UK is averaging less than 10 covid deaths per day in a population of 68 million..but we still can’t get back to normal. 

                             

                            So even though most if not all of these people would have lived longer had they not gotten Covid, the coroner was effed up for declaring Covid the cause of death. Is that what you’re saying?

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                            CalBears


                              So even though most if not all of these people would have lived longer had they not gotten Covid, the coroner was effed up for declaring Covid the cause of death. Is that what you’re saying?

                               

                              I would guess he is asking you to stop all the vehicles to a halt if you are such a "compassionate" and "logical" person as 3,287 people getting killed in car accidents daily. And I am pretty sure, they would live much much longer had they not gotten into a car... And let's never return to normal as we still have 165 people die daily from some form of flu. And of course they would live much much longer had they not gotten a flu. And let's not even start on selling alcohol and guns...

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                                So even though most if not all of these people would have lived longer had they not gotten Covid, the coroner was effed up for declaring Covid the cause of death. Is that what you’re saying?

                                 

                                People die every day....over a 1000 die in the UK everyday...but we still get a daily brief of 10 or so covid deaths on MSM daily...is that normal and should I give a fuck about 10 daily deaths about people who I don’t know personally?

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