Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2018 (Read 704 times)

SteveChCh


Hot Weather Complainer

    Good point and my PB was the same now that I think about it - I finished with a 3:55 then 3:47 with an overall average pace of 4:12.  Without those last 2km it wouldn't have been a PB because I beat my previous by 18 seconds.  Last year when I set out to beat it I targeted 4:12 average pace from the start and was within 1 second of where I wanted to be with 5km to go but couldn't kick like I did the previous year.  I think I set out aiming to be on target because I didn't trust I could finish fast and now that I think about it, that is probably the reason I couldn't finish fast rather than the sideways rain and wind in the last 5km...I think this time I'd be wise to stick to 4:15 until 5km or so to go and then lift if possible.  That will mean I'll need to average about 4:05 for the last 5km which is certainly within the realms of possibility (last 5km during the PB was 20:15).

     

    Steve - Assuming flat surface, no wind etc., I think you can comfortably be 30 seconds behind at the 5k mark, and more than make it back.  My half PR was a negative split, although admittedly the course was probably slightly quicker naturally in the second half of it.

     

    https://www.strava.com/activities/707959230

     

    Have you ever heard someone state that they made a mistake of going out too slow?

    5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

     

    2024 Races:

    Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

    Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024

    Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

    Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

    jaimegu


      Flavio: I also imported that pocket technology from NZ, and I cannot live without it!  In fact I have used it with different 5.5" phones, but I'm sure you know better, especially if that affects your balance and make you fall! Nice week

      Piwi: I decided against hiding my hat in front... Too many girls in the area and it would be a mob.  I agree that you are a very fast and active.hobby jogger.

      Watson: Nice week.  I think you are right starting conservatively.

      Steve: I tend to do even splits, in Half and Full Marathon, however, my two best HM have been negative (out of marathon training as well)

       

      James: I don't know what to think about your knee.  I'd try to get medical imagery to go forward.  Other than that, switching to swimming is a pretty valid option to keep and improve fitness.

       

      Me:  Dropping tempos for mid longs, which I want to do at a faster clip.  I'd also like to try more intervals as I feel my cardio is fine but my strength is lagging.

       

      Weekly Summary
      Monday, Mar 05, 2018 thru Sunday, Mar 11, 2018

      <tfoot> </tfoot>
      Day Miles Pace Description Egain Link
      Tue 6.3 7:41 Checking all systems... OK 0 strava
      Wed 12.0 7:50 Mid Long. Mom I think I got lost 183 strava
      Thu 6.3 7:13 6x400@1:29 total 10km 0 strava
      Thu 4.1 21:41 Un petit foot 0 strava
      Sat 6.8 8:07 Aller shopping retour 😜 144 strava
      Sun 18.9 7:59 MiniBoston avec Luc et la gang du coin 980 strava
        54.4 8:52   1307  
      RoXX


        So, I ran my first official half marathon yesterday. Didn't have too high expectations because of the low mileage and shin issues over the past few months (only 40-45 miles/month over the last 6 months). Hoped to run a sub 1:40 though. Started the race at 4:45 min/km, which should exactly lead to a 1:40 half marathon. Had to really keep myself from going faster, first miles were feeling really easy and comfortable. At km 14/15 it started to get harder and the last 3-4 km were really really tough. Probably has a lot to do with the low mileage and my stamina that could be a lot better. Still managed to keep up the pace and finished the race in 1:39:49. Really happy with that!

         

        Do you find that works?  I've had a few people say you need to race at an even pace for the whole race.  I'd love to work out the optimal scenario of seconds sacrificed in the first half and then gained back plus interest in the second half.

         

         

        My kilometer splits of yesterday's race:

         

        1 4:50 12 4:38
        2 4:37 13 4:41
        3 4:37 14 4:40
        4 4:41 15 4:37
        5 4:38 16 4:44
        6 4:39 17 4:40
        7 4:41 18 4:43
        8 4:41 19 4:46
        9 4:41 20 4:46
        10 4:43 21 4:45
        11 4:37    

         

        Don't think I could've gone faster starting out slower and racing a negative split. This was the absolute max I could run. Pretty satisfied there's only 9 seconds between slowest and fastest km (not counting the first km which was pretty crowded and hard to get into a good pace).

         

        This week should be all about recovery. Got a badminton tournament coming up next weekend, so I'll be not running this week. After the weekend I'll see how it all feels and start to build up my mileage to improve my stamina. Hoping to get close to 1:35 in a few months. Key for me is building mileage and stamina.

          Impressive man - you roxx!

           

          I have a half lined up for early June, but think a sub 100 will be a close call eventhough I run close to 40miles per week, and not month, like you Smile

           

          And your k splits are just really equal.

           

          Congrats - keep at it! As I said, you are really talented and could go places, if you were to put in more miles more consistently.

          HM: 1:47 (9/20) I FM: 3:53:11 (9/23)

           

          2024 Goals: run a FM & HM + stay healthy!


          running metalhead

            jaimegu: Hey, I Need to try that, it's like surf and running at the same time! It could qualify as biathlon.

             

            piwikiwi:


            "I wear slightly more bulky shorts when carrying my phone rather than thin flimsy running shorts"

            I got myself a few pairs of cheap synthetic "army" trousers, awesome for trails and with tons pockets.

             

             

            JamesD: Did you try a self assessment for ITBS?
            There is a video here with a self-assessment version of Ober's test. I would visit a physio anyway. Here it is anyway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=195&v=z4Cg8-YEPb8

             

             

            flavio1980: What about one of these trail running backpacks? I have a few where I would safely carry an iPad.

            RoXX: not bad!

             

            ME:

             

            Got a weird start of the week: On my first Q run I was supposed to do intervals at 04:00 - 04:04 and repetitions at 03:58 but I didn't even manage to get close to my threshold pace (4:24). Later the weather started improving and it's finally possible to run without a ton of clothes. The second Q session on Sunday was spot on. I did 4 reps at tempo pace (04:2ish), the last around 4:30-4:35 was uphill on our new 35m hill (we have 2 now and they call us "the Dutch Highlands").

            Weekly Summary
            Monday, Mar 05, 2018 thru Sunday, Mar 11, 2018

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            Day Miles Pace Duration Description HR Link
            Tue 6.2 8:24 0:52 E 139 (72%) strava
            Wed 6.2 8:31 0:53 E 138 (72%) strava
            Thu 12.8 8:16 1:45 Q2 134 (70%) strava
            Sat 6.2 8:16 0:51 E 129 (67%) strava
            Sun 13.3 8:04 1:47 Q1 131 (68%) strava
              44.7 8:16 6:09      

            - Egmond ( 14 januari )            :  1:41:40 (21K)
            - Vondelparkloop ( 20 januari ) :  0:58.1 (10K but did 13.44!!!)
            - Twiskemolenloop ( 4 maart )  :   1:35:19 (3th M45!)

            - Ekiden Zwolle (10K)   ( 25 maart )
            - Rotterdam Marathon ( 8 april )
            - Leiden Marathon Halve ( 27 mei )
            - Marathon Amersfoort ( 10 juni)

            JMac11


            RIP Milkman

              Some great running going on here.

               

              Negative Splits - I've negative split almost every race I've run. I tried to intentionally positive split my full marathon because the course was more difficult on the back half, yet I still had a 90 second negative split. Not only was it my PR, but it was MUCH more enjoyable than my first full where I positive split by 2 minutes and felt like the world would end the last 6 miles. There's some controversy on whether negative splitting makes sense on fulls, but I think it's pretty clear that it makes sense for the half distance.

               

              RoXX- Congrats on your first half! What did you think of the race distance?

               

              Jaime - Big week, well done

               

              Enric - Don't worry about one botched Daniels workout, it's basically guaranteed with him.

               

              Flavio - This will be my feedback each week: sign up for a race!

               

              Watson - Getting back up there very nicely. After your marathon last year, I'm excited to see what you can do with a more consistent training program. I know you were sort of trying a crash course into that race and had some issues with consistency.

               

              Me - Finally getting into some real mileage, including my first long run in 5 months. I've been building up mileage now for 8 weeks and I'm happy enough with this base phase that I'm going to start moving into quality work next week. I plan on using Daniels 5K/10K training plan. I have a 10K coming up in a few weeks, but my main goal is to try to PR at some shorter distances through the end of June before I start my marathon training. It's going to be challenging given I effectively took 3 months off due to injury (my rolling 12 week average mileage right now is pathetic), but I'll do my best! Not sure if I'll have any half marathons in the schedule just because I don't think I'd be ready to run one til May and at that point it's getting too hot, but we'll see. I've never focused on the 5K/10K distance so I'd like to see what I can do. Also, they require much less mileage per week, so it's a perfect time to do this as I'm building up my weekly mileage towards the marathon.

               

               

              Day Miles Description
              Mon -  
              Tue 12.0 First long run in a long time!
              Wed -  
              Thu 8.0 Easy plus strides
              Fri 6.0 Easy
              Sat 8.0 Easy plus strides
              Sun 6.0 Easy
              Total 40.0 Rolling 12 Week Average: 14.9 

              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

               

               

              CommanderKeen


              Cobra Commander Keen

                Jaime - Whoa! Crazy conditions in that race. Nice week.


                Flavio - Oops! Glad you survived the tumble. If I ever run with a phone I typically swap the SIM card from my phone to one of my wife's old iphones (mine is way too big) and it'll fit in the pocket of my shorts (small of back). I find it somewhat amusing that I can load up Zwift on the iphone and log virtual miles while on actual roads.
                Good week, and that's some crazy crime rate!


                Piwi - I heard on the radio (Friday?) that OKC beat the Spurs (or was it the Suns?), but that it was "just" beating the *insert team name here*. Apparently that one was basically a gimme, but it was something they needed given their recent games.
                That's one heck of a hill you climb up on some of your runs!


                Watson - Awesome that you had a couple good workouts just before the taper. How was the race?


                Enric - Solid week as well, even if you didn't manage the pace on one workout.


                JMac - You seem to have a good plan of attack for your upcoming training. Props on the good week and getting in that LR.

                 


                I had a pretty good week, with two easy runs that just felt awesome and were much faster (at easy HR) than usual (149bpm cap on easy/Z2).
                The local running club did their LR almost entirely on the OKC Marathon/half marathon course this weekend. I took the opportunity to run the entire HM course; On many occasions I've run across all but a mile or so of it since it shares so much with the full course, but it was good to finally see all the differences.

                 

                 

                Weekly Summary
                Monday, Mar 05, 2018 thru Sunday, Mar 11, 2018

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                Day Miles Pace Description HR Link
                Mon 11.3 7:24 Daniels' T. 2x 2mi, 2x 1 mi. 2 & 1 min recoveries. 158 (81%) strava
                Tue 4.1 8:02 Having to sneak in some miles. 142 (72%) strava
                Tue 6.3 7:56 If only there was some pithy way to describe why the wind always blows in Oklahoma. Maybe something involving Texas and Kansas... 155 (79%) strava
                Wed 9.3 7:53 3 ducks, 2 hawks, and the sunrise. 143 (73%) strava
                Thu 10.5 7:19 Daniels' R, 12x 200m + 6x 400m 151 (77%) strava
                Fri 9.3 7:48 3 owls, 1 duck, and some howling coyotes 143 (73%) strava
                Sat 4.1 8:11 Because why not extra easy miles? 136 (69%) strava
                Sun 13.4 7:46 Touring the OKC HM course, with an ultra-rare tail wind on Classen! 148 (76%) strava
                  68.3 7:43

                5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                 

                Upcoming Races:

                 

                OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                Bun Run 5k - May 4

                 

                flavio80


                Intl. correspondent

                  Enric - LOL, a camel back would be very inviting to the local entrepreneurs.

                  Roxx - great job!

                  negative splits - I always plan for even splits. Most of the time I miss the mark and either positive split or negative split.

                  Jmac - signed up for a 5K in 2 weeks. That should tell me where my speed endurance is at the moment. I’m sure a lot of easy runs is not helping, but at least I’ll have a base line to plan some workouts. If I can't run a sub 20 I'll post a picture of myself dressed as Lady Gaga.

                  Good to see you’re putting out the big miles again.

                  Keen - yeah, luckily the crime is mostly on big metropolitan areas, the country side is very safe. I’ve been trying to convince the girlfriend for years to move abroad, she prefers to live in this dump so long as it’s close to her family.

                  I can see you’re an aspiring hobby jogger, I’m sure Piwi’s recent weeks have been a big inspiration for you Big grin

                  PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                  Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                  Tool to generate Strava weekly

                    @Flavio: yes of course makes sense - I assumed it was ok to run around displaying a really nice phone like the One Plus. Reminds me of a friend in the Domenican Rep who would only wear his beaten up gear when going for a run outside of his guarded complex after having gotten his brand new pair of Nike's robbed once and he would also always only carry enough change for water and a taxi back home plus a carbon pole like the hiking poles that expands in order to fight off wild dogs Smile I am a sissy in comparison - the only risk I "run" is electric bikers!

                    HM: 1:47 (9/20) I FM: 3:53:11 (9/23)

                     

                    2024 Goals: run a FM & HM + stay healthy!


                    running metalhead

                       

                       If I can't run a sub 20 I'll post a picture of myself dressed as Lady Gaga.

                       

                      Ooh, looking forward to that, LOL!

                      And  no cheating!

                      - Egmond ( 14 januari )            :  1:41:40 (21K)
                      - Vondelparkloop ( 20 januari ) :  0:58.1 (10K but did 13.44!!!)
                      - Twiskemolenloop ( 4 maart )  :   1:35:19 (3th M45!)

                      - Ekiden Zwolle (10K)   ( 25 maart )
                      - Rotterdam Marathon ( 8 april )
                      - Leiden Marathon Halve ( 27 mei )
                      - Marathon Amersfoort ( 10 juni)

                      flavio80


                      Intl. correspondent

                        MJ - LOL, your friend beats me. I don't have wild dogs to worry about. I also mostly run within a university campus loop which is relatively safe (gate security) and free of cars, which is cool.

                        PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                        Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                        Tool to generate Strava weekly

                        SteveChCh


                        Hot Weather Complainer

                          What an awesome thread this is and I'll take that advice into the race.

                           

                          If I make it that is...just as I said how great everything was going I had a bit of a mishap last night.  To be fair, I've been doing more effort runs than ever before leading into a half, because I only have had a 12 week build up.  Previously I would do "3 effort fortnights" with intervals and tempo on Mon and Wed with one of these runs being easy.  I haven't had any easy running this time, except the long weekend run but that also has a race pace component now.  So I've been pushing my luck a bit.

                           

                          Last night was an attempted 3x(2,3,4) interval session which is as hard as my speed sessions get.  I felt a bit sore in the calf after the first set, and this calf caused me to miss 2 months late last year, so I'm quite paranoid.  It does get sore at times without leading to a minor tear so it's a balancing act when to be cautious and when to push through.  By the time I got 2 minutes into my last 3 minute interval I knew I had to stop or be done for another month at least.  I've iced it, compressed it and elevated it - the rest part will be the problem.  Less than 4 weeks until the race and I know an easy week won't hurt me too much so I'm thinking a light 45 mins tomorrow and 60 mins on Saturday (with some bike on other days) the resume the planned schedule for 2 weeks before an easy last week.  It feels okay today but it's possible I'll replace that 45 minute easy run with a bike if I have any doubts.

                           

                          Any thoughts?  Mostly looking for reassurance that my goals won't be destroyed by an easy week (possibly even 2).  Having said that, I'd rather run the race slightly less prepared than I hoped than have to miss it completely.

                          5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                           

                          2024 Races:

                          Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                          Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024

                          Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                          Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                          CommanderKeen


                          Cobra Commander Keen

                            Flavio - "Local Entrepreneurs". Euphemisms for the win!


                            Steve - Take care of yourself. Good idea to take it easy, though I would use that that planned easy 45 minutes tomorrow as a "do not exceed" rather than a "must do", just in case. I don't know how aggressive your goal is, but an easy week or so shouldn't set you back too much, if at all. And easy weeks are certainly not going to set you back as much as a month or so off.

                            5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                             

                            Upcoming Races:

                             

                            OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                            Bun Run 5k - May 4

                             

                            SteveChCh


                            Hot Weather Complainer

                              Thanks CK.

                               

                              I was going hard at the goal and this may be a reminder to not forget about recovery/easy weeks.  I've already done much harder sessions than I did before the previous race and have neglected the "easy week every 4 weeks" rule which has kept me from getting injured before.

                              5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                               

                              2024 Races:

                              Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                              Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024

                              Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                              Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                              Marky_Mark_17


                                Good banter guys, I've been a bit behind after a busy week and weekend - time to catch up!

                                 

                                Jaime - wow those pictures really show how tough the conditions were! And nice week too.

                                 

                                Flavio - I have a SPI belt which I use when I'm doing longer runs and need to take multiple gels and/or other stuff (https://spibelt.com/).  I bought mine from Amazon and find it really comfortable.  I used it for the marathon and didn't even notice it - if you tighten the straps it doesn't bounce around at all.  I think there are some models designed for larger phones too.  Fingers crossed for the 50mpw!

                                 

                                Piwi- great hobby jogging, I see you have been back at the hills again lately too.

                                 

                                James - yes agree with Flavio - consistency is the key even if it means being a bit more conservative.

                                 

                                Watson - nice week, interested to see how your race goes.  I'd say sub-1:30 is easily doable and you've had good consistency in training over the last few weeks.  The only downside might be that the vineyard sections of the course might be slow.  That was what I found when I did the Hawkes Bay HM (and Queenstown, for that matter) - fast when you're on the roads but can be slow/harder work off them (particularly if they throw a few 90-degree turns in there).

                                 

                                Roxx - that is a really nice effort off relatively low mileage, well done.

                                 

                                Negative splits - I'm in two minds on this.  My PB HM was a slight positive split - but almost even and that's possibly because the hardest climb is in the second half of the course.  I was definitely fighting the last 1-2km but still managed to hang in there.  I've run significant negative split races (e.g. Devonport 2017, Omaha 2017) where I felt like I'd really managed the race well, but possibly also left a little in the tank - although neither of those were goal races.  It's a little hard to judge considering that most courses around here have hills but overall I'd say my 3 fastest races were negative or even splits so there is probably something in that.  When you've done a bit of running you start to know what you're capable of and cranking up the last 5km will generally serve you a lot better than overcooking the first 5km.  The races I went out too quick I absolutely paid for it.

                                 

                                Enric- nice week

                                 

                                JMac- great to see you getting the mileage back up.

                                 

                                Keen - nice week.  It's good touring the course beforehand as it really means you know what to expect.  Actually running it is kind of different to just scouting it on maps and elevation profiles!

                                 

                                Steve - bummer!! Hope the body heals up OK.

                                 

                                Me - a little lighter last week at 63km.  I actually felt really good on Sunday's long-ish run and had to dial myself back.  I was a bit annoyed Saturday as I was going to do a track session and have a crack at a sub-5 minute mile, but the track was shut for an event, so I'll have to wait for that one.

                                 

                                M: weights

                                T: 12.5km easy

                                W: 12.9km incl. 3 x 2 min hill efforts

                                T: 11.4km incl. tempo blocks uphill

                                F: weights

                                S: 10km incl. intervals

                                S: 16.3km easy

                                Total: 63.1km

                                 

                                Coatesville HM is coming up Sunday. It is an unforgiving course with some tricky hill climbs.  There is a steep-ish climb early on, then flat/undulating/downhill to the 10.5km mark, then a real uphill grind pretty much solid through to about the 16.5km mark.  Then more or less a downhill blast/flat through to the finish.  Last year I finished 4th (1:20:54), I was actually reeling in third place during the climb, but left it too late so had no shot of catching him over the downhill section at the end.  While the usual mantra of 'don't go out too quick' definitely applies on this course, I actually reckon the key is to really work hard during the 10.5km-16.5km section, knowing that you'll get a boost from the downhill section that follows it and you can pretty much ride that home.

                                 

                                Goal is to beat last year's time, podium would be a plus but really depends who else is there (if Mark Boyce and Stephen Lett show up I will be no chance).  And ideally beating Chris Trent to keep outright second place in the series.

                                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                                Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"