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If you are doing something as important as educating a child, why would you not take the trouble to provide them with truth. Evolution is central to biology. A truth that is acknowledged by the Vatican and a majority of Christians, and the vast majority of Christians with professional scientific training. Most Christians do not take your view, and would resent you lumping them in with your false beliefs on this matter. :-)
Therein lies the rub. People who don't like the consensus don't like their kids to be sent to schools where the consensus is taught. Most of us (me included) like the idea of the scientific orthodoxy being taught to kids... but who's to say that people who, for example, believe that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure shouldn't teach them this? (Hopefully everyone gets this reference... if not you still have the pleasure of reading the books ahead of you )
Of course if people deviate too far from what's considered acceptable child rearing then the state intervenes and takes the kids out of their care.
Why is it sideways?
Therein lies the rub. People who don't like the consensus don't like their kids to be sent to schools where the consensus is taught. Most of us (me included) like the idea of the scientific orthodoxy being taught to kids... but who's to say that people who, for example, believe that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of a being called the Great Green Arkleseizure shouldn't teach them this? (Hopefully everyone gets this reference... if not you still have the pleasure of reading the books ahead of you ) Of course if people deviate too far from what's considered acceptable child rearing then the state intervenes and takes the kids out of their care.
We are the ones to say, if we don't agree with it. It's a free country. Folks can disagree if they like and give their reasons, too. We don't have to wait for the state to decide the issue--and actually right now in Tennessee, the state is on the side of the poor oppressed creationists. Why? Because the creationists have been very active in promoting their views.
The word "intolerance" has been thrown around quite loosely on this thread. Tolerance doesn't demand silence. What it demands is respectful disagreement and an attention to reasons.
Finally, this thread is not about criticizing folks who don't agree with the 'consensus.' The consensus in Tennessee is that creationism is scientifically equivalent to the theory of evolution. (Less than 15% of Americans nationwide are willing to affirm the truth of evolution.) That consensus is misinformed and miseducated.
That was an actual question. You came into this thread all defense regarding an attack that did not happen. Now I'm not sure what you are doing.
That was an actual question.
You came into this thread all defense regarding an attack that did not happen.
Now I'm not sure what you are doing.
You warrant an answer...
Nah...I didn't really believe ennay's use of fundamental christian as an attack...maybe misinformed but not an attack. The reply was meant to be more sarcastic and it didn't come through well. I have read enough ennay posts to be quite confident she wouldn't attack anyone.
As for the two evolutionary scientist things...it was supposed to be a creationist scientist debating a evolutionist scientist.
Jeff's post on the other hand was more irksome. I may even have read too much into that, but the assumption that someone who isn't in line with Jeff's thoughts and beliefs are just stupid is really...welll stupid. There are a lot of smart phd guys out there that look at the same data the evololutionist phd guys and global warming phd folks look at and come to different conclusions...but I can't defend them to jeff either. The personnal consequence of me being wrong about a 6-day, young earth view is that I may have denied myself some fun over the years. The personal consequence of being wrong about evolution is much more severe. You see, my belief is that if the creation account is correct, then the rest of the bible would also be correct and if I were to follow it, my reward after I croak will be better than anything here on earth. If the evolution folks are wrong about us being evolved from primordial soup and there is no God, then the best they will ever have is right here and now.
Lastly, I forgot the cardinal rule - never engage in debate in platforms like this about serious things. (especially the way I have been writing). And now it is time to disengage.
Should have just left it at: We have been a homeschooling family for nearly 20 years and for us it was the best option. I was career military and the constant moves would have been very difficult on the kids to keep changing schools. We were able to provide our kids a much broader education because we were able to let them explore their interests, have great field trips, and other things that you just can't do in a public school setting. It is much easier to do these things when there is only 2 or 4 kids than if you have to take three or four classes of 30 students out. And in the words of Forrest Gump...'that's all I've got say about that"
Please point out where I said that people who did not think like me were stupid. I'm not asking you to think like me. I am asking you not to undermine the teaching of the fundamental method of intelligence in basic biological science.
Plus, I am not advocating that students be brainwashed by the biologists. Only advocating that they get a fair shake at understanding the theory. After that, of course, they can decide what to believe for themselves.
You paint me as intolerant. All I am doing is disagreeing with you. In my book, that is a sign of respect.
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You warrant an answer... You see, my belief is that if the creation account is correct, then the rest of the bible would also be correct and if I were to follow it, my reward after I croak will be better than anything here on earth. If the evolution folks are wrong about us being evolved from primordial soup and there is no God, then the best they will ever have is right here and now.
You see, my belief is that if the creation account is correct, then the rest of the bible would also be correct and if I were to follow it, my reward after I croak will be better than anything here on earth. If the evolution folks are wrong about us being evolved from primordial soup and there is no God, then the best they will ever have is right here and now.
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What's your point?
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If the evolution folks are wrong about us being evolved from primordial soup and there is no God ...
This statement really demonstrates what an minority view you hold. The Pope, and a majority of Christians with a scientific education do believe in evolution. And they would also claim that there is a God.
Sorry - I haven't read all of this thread - but I must ask: do you believe that everything in the Bible is correct? (IE do you take it all literally?). Thanks.
as far as I can understand it..
If I was in the majority, we wouldn't be having this much of a debate..would we....
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I'm not sure what is being 'debated' here The Dover trial, presided over by a right-wing Christian judge, concluded that there is no scientific basis for creationism and intelligent design.
Rejecting a significant portion of scientific knowledge because of your minority interpretation of Christianity is a shame and a loss... for both you and your kids. A comprehensive scientific education and religious faith do not have to be at odds.
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The beauty of homeschooling is that your life is your own. Train when you want.
Yes.
What is your preference?