2022 Advanced Racing Thread (Read 493 times)

 

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If you ever decide to run another marathon again…fire your coach. 👍

"Hey coach"

"Yes?"

"You're fired"

"Why?"

"Some guy on the internet who trolls a lot said so".

Hmm.

Anyways, 9 minute improvement in HM / 16 minute improvement in FM.  That doesn't seem that out of whack considering those were my first and second marathons respectively.

I'd be happy to grab a beer with you anytime you visit! Maybe after a 10K where'd you smoke me by a couple minutes and you can talk some shit back.

 

Didn't you used to run your easy runs at like 630 to 645 while running like 1:20? If it's just how you feel, why did you slow down so much over the past few years? Even when you weren't doing high mileage, you have still slowed it down a lot even as you've gotten a lot faster

Haha when I said don't be an asshole I didn't mean you needed to be a suck-up!  When I first joined the forums I was on here for advice.  Now my main motivation is trying to help others and just talk running.  I don't tend to go in for the shit-talking much because that sort of thing turns off potential new joiners but if someone has a crack then I'll defend myself.

Anyways you are right that my easy pace has slowed a lot.  5 years or so ago I was probably running easy pace at around the 6:30-6:45 you mention.  It's something around 4:30/km / 7:15/mile +/- now.  I suspect it's because back then I was often running only 4 or sometimes 5 days a week, now it's typically 6, and weekly mileage has probably increased around 50%.  Everything feels a lot fresher when you've got 2 or 3 rest days a week.

 

Because I suck at the marathon.

Sorry to hear you think that way of your performances, I'm not sure that's true, but it's not really a reason for me to fire my coach.

I got lucky that day.

Settle down Coach Mikkey. Only a Pom could get so much satisfaction out of a match they didn’t win 

Can’t you just troll me on my marathon training?

So I'll go down the HRM path, although I find it ironic that giving a big range for easy paces to run is being a slave to a watch, yet dissecting HR numbers is not, but here it goes anyway:

Steve I don't use heart rate, but I saw your heart rate at upper 140s for your easy run. Is that where it's supposed to be? That seemed high to me for someone in his 40s? I was looking at some Daniels calculators and if I throw in a max heart rate of 190 and resting of 45 (which I think is probably a conservative view since I imagine your max is lower), that says easy runs in the 130s. I looked through some other people's Stravas and that seemed to be where most people run their easy runs, at least for the first 2/3 of the run.

JMac - It's all part of the build to CIM and (hopefully) a massive marathon PR. I'd have a race on the schedule, but it's REALLY slim pickings around here for unknown reasons. To get a decent 5k anytime soon I'll probably have to drive an hour or more away while trying to cherry pick weather and only getting a couple days worth of taper prior.
I am getting out of town for a little getaway with DW this coming week and will have a few days of very minimal running and am looking forward to that cutback.

That's very interesting on the size and HR. Steve - if you admit you are a small woman, then you're all good 

In all seriousness, darkwave I'm not sure I understand your initial distinction. Aren't we both saying there is a range, with a cap in how high your HR should be / how fast your easy pace should be? Nobody on this page would argue easy pace is a target number. That's a big mistake.

I'd also say you'd have to test the easy pace, right? If Steve went all the way down to 9:00 for example and still was mid 140s, that would answer that this is indeed his easy pace. Pretty good test.

 

 

Like Darkwave, another female I follow on strava has an easy run HR in the upper 140s, often over 150. But like Darkwave, she is small. I've noticed that general trend for smaller runners versus larger ones: HR skews a bit higher for smaller folks. But the data set for this observation is quite small (no pun intended).

The heart rate monitors also don't work as well for many females because they've got small wrists.

That happens to my wife, who's also small, and the HRM reads high.

Regardless of why that happens, those are the numbers DW has to work with, like she said, you've got to use your own numbers, captured from using the HRM multiple times, not from formulas based on other people.

My max HR is around 179 which is hilarious as it coincides with the 220 - age thing 😁

My easy runs average around 125.