2022 Advanced Racing Thread (Read 467 times)

JMac11


RIP Milkman

    So I think the weather this Sunday is going to be bad in many parts because the remnants of Ian are heading north. I feel bad for anyone who had a big race scheduled either day up and down the eastern seaboard, but obviously the real thoughts are with those in Florida right now.

     

    Steve - that sounds horrible, worse than my crunch! On the race, I think everyone knows to mentally prepare for 30K+, but I had to remind myself actually about the hard parts earlier in the race. I actually didn't have any at Grandma's, a first, but every other marathon I've had tough going anywhere from mile 7 to about mile 14, when things shouldn't be hard. Just know it's a phase and it'll pass.

     

    Stomach Training - one thing I've failed to mention this cycle that I've really focused on is training my stomach. It was a big takeaway for me from Grandma's. One big change is instead of taking small sips of water every 1-2 miles during summer runs, I now try to gulp down large amounts (12oz) every 4-5 miles. That first mile after doing so doesn't feel great, but I have already noticed a big improvement in how my stomach reacts. I used to feel nauseous after taking that much water in, now it's just feeling full. I also noticed during my MP runs that I can take water and gels throughout, whereas previous cycles I would stop after 6 or so miles because my stitches were starting and I didn't want to take on even more pain. I hope this pays off race day because I'm tired of having to shut down water intake after the half mark and just hoping I'm hydrated.

    5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

     

     

    flavio1980


    Intl. correspondent

      RP - Shutting it down because there are people nearby is silly.

       

      Jmac - bird killer!!!

       

      Fishy - We have just recently finished watching all 9 seasons of Seinfeld. I remember that episode and it was pretty funny.

      The episode where they bet who can last longer without masturbation is the funniest ever.

      "Are you still a master of your domain?"

      PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:56 2021 HM 1:21:59 2021

      Up next: 10K Family race

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      Running Problem


      Problem Child

        I have absolutely no evidence that this should be a PR attempt (I have yet to nail an LT workout this entire cycle), but I don't want to rule it out. Who knows if my legs have just been cooked from mileage and my mini-taper will bring out some magic on Sunday? So I want to give myself the best attempt on Sunday. Maybe I'll go out there and run a 1:16:30. That'll just confirm that I'm not in as good of shape as I should be at this point and will help me set a more realistic goal for NYC (e.g. 2:39:59).

        holy shit....you sound like me in December of 2021. Doom and gloom buh blah buh blah buh buh buh blah. it's just running. Don't overthink it. Look at the course and plan your attack

        Also, birds aren't real.

         

        Zeb ah. I read it wrong. Hours of training.

         

        Not sure if I said it before, but I more get nervous about workouts than long runs. I think I put more emphasis on them than anything. Oddly, a buddy of mine just BLEW UP a workout yesterday because he didn't listen to my advice 6 months ago when the same thing happens. How do you think a 12x400m workout would go when you try to do it at PR pace without having done any speed work for 10 months?

        "That time the point of the run was to go out there and suffer. Why work on getting faster when you can work on suffering? It is much easier to suffer than swallow your pride in relation to running paces."

        Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

        VDOT 52.45

        5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

        Mikkey


        Mmmm Bop

           

           

          Not sure if I said it before, but I more get nervous about workouts than long runs. I think I put more emphasis on them than anything. Oddly, a buddy of mine just BLEW UP a workout yesterday because he didn't listen to my advice 6 months ago when the same thing happens. How do you think a 12x400m workout would go when you try to do it at PR pace without having done any speed work for 10 months?

          "That time the point of the run was to go out there and suffer. Why work on getting faster when you can work on suffering? It is much easier to suffer than swallow your pride in relation to running paces."

           

          I wouldn’t say nervous, but workouts are more of a test than a standard long run.  My workouts are generally at slightly slower pace of current fitness as I don’t like suffering.

           

          Just got a pair of Mikkey running shoes. They look impressive.

           

          5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

          SteveChCh


          Hot Weather Complainer

            JMac - you should listen to the latest episode of the Inside Running podcast - it's an Aussie podcast that I discovered after they did a live stream on the Melbourne marathon page on Sunday night.  They had a rant about people saying "not my day" or "I felt good at halfway" when talking about Berlin (or any marathon really).  It was great - "yeah no sh!t you felt good at halfway, so you should".

             

            Also, Marby got a good shoutout as a Patreon and they looked at his PBs and discussed missing 3 hours by 23 seconds last year.  They basically said 24 seconds shouldn't be "life changing" or the difference between feeling good or bad with your performance.

             

            Mikkey - They are magnificent.

             

            I arrived in Melbourne late last night and had a very broken 5 hours sleep.  Felt like I'd been punched in the face this morning, but I did come 4 days pre-race because I knew I'd need a day or 2 to recover.  I was staying with a mate before moving to an AirBnB close to the MCG for the weekend, but everyone is sick in his household so I'm in the AirBnB a day early.  Works out okay for me, because I'm not up for much socialising right now.  They'd all been sick for a while so it's unlikely I caught anything.  My recovery run this morning felt awful, just very tired.  It was only 13 degrees but felt much warmer for some reason.  Hopefully that's all just taper silliness doing what it does.  I only need to start feeling good when the weekend arrives.

            Net Downhill PB Southern Lakes Half Marathon 2022 1:27:32, Flat Course PB Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

            Recent Races:   Melbourne Marathon 3:35:03 October 2, 2022, Southern Lakes Half Marathon 1:27:32 May 7, 2022, Motorway 10km 40:49 February 27, 2022, Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon 1:29:32  November 7, 2021

            Race plan:  Christchurch Marathon April 16, 2023, New York Marathon 2024

            Fishyone


               

              Fishy - We have just recently finished watching all 9 seasons of Seinfeld. I remember that episode and it was pretty funny.

              The episode where they bet who can last longer without masturbation is the funniest ever.

              "Are you still a master of your domain?"

               

              LOL- I forgot about that one!!  I would have guessed there were more than 9 seasons.  There was also an episode where an olympic runner comes into town for the marathon and oversleeps for the NYC marathon .....Funny stuff!!

              5K 19:18 (2014), 10K 40:13 (2014), 1/2 1:29:07 (2015), full 2:58:36 (2015) 

              DavePNW


                 

                LOL- I forgot about that one!!  I would have guessed there were more than 9 seasons.  There was also an episode where an olympic runner comes into town for the marathon and oversleeps for the NYC marathon .....Funny stuff!!

                 

                Why separate knob??

                Dave

                JMac11


                RIP Milkman

                   

                  Why separate knob??

                   

                  I still tell my friends all the issues I have with them every December 23rd.

                   

                  Steve - nice job getting in early. Most important night of sleep is always 2 nights prior, try to get 9+ if you can! And then sit on the couch most of the day before. Are you doing any carbo loading? I have mixed feelings on that, we rarely talk about that on these forums and whether people follow any protocol.

                   

                  Mikkey - the whiteness of new shoe soles is always stunning. Also seeing those shoes reminds me that I just passed this this morning: https://www.atlanticfutureforum.com/. And as I'm writing this, it now totally makes sense what I saw on my Sunday run! I was just doing an easy jog along the harbor and saw what I thought was an aircraft carrier out in the distance. I just thought maybe it had something to do with the annual UN meeting ending, but now this makes much more sense. It was the HMS Queen Elizabeth.

                  5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                   

                   

                  Ian5


                    Steve-Glad to see you're there safely,guess it will be Saturday night here so will look forward to dot watching.

                    Jmac-Any change in the weather forecast?

                    Looking good for Chicago ATM,cooled down a few degrees since I last looked.

                    5k 17:35,10k 36:43,10m 61:55,HM 1:24:03,Full 3:07:39

                    JMac11


                    RIP Milkman

                      Love that you're tracking Chicago already.

                       

                      My forecast has only gotten worse for the original course I signed up for (the "windy" course)

                       

                      • "Windy" course is now at 23 mph, 61 degrees, 54 dew point, showers
                      • "Hilly" course is now  at 15 mph, 58 degrees, 50 dew point, cloudy

                      Given the wind gap AND lower TDP, I'm leaning towards the hilly course. I don't think a PR is in the books, BUT, the "hilly" course offers a cash prize of $300 for first, $200 for second, and $100 for first. Maybe that's what my focus can be, top 3! I've never taken cash home before because all the races I've won are not super competitive, and the ones with money I'm usually blown out (usually a bunch of guys running sub 1:10). This race though, based on past times, I have a shot at top 3. Although, I'm not sure if there was prize money last year and I actually have no shot. But it's a fun thing to go over on a non-ideal day.

                      5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                       

                       

                      Ian5


                        Jmac-10 days out is when forecasts start being a bit more reliable here,but with your crazy weather who knows.

                        Got to go for the proze money,if you think a PB is out of the question at either then the prize becomes an incentive.

                        5k 17:35,10k 36:43,10m 61:55,HM 1:24:03,Full 3:07:39

                        JMac11


                        RIP Milkman

                          Ian - 10 days forecasts are basically a guess in the US for most of the country outside of the very stable places (e.g. Las Vegas). They get more reliable around 7 days out, and then very reliable 5 days out. It's around 50% accurate 10 days out, 80% 7 days out, and 90% 5 days out.

                           

                          For Chicago, which has even more extreme weather than NYC, I would start trusting the forecast come Monday.

                           

                          How Reliable Are Weather Forecasts?

                          5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                           

                           

                          DavePNW


                            Ian - 10 days forecasts are basically a guess in the US for most of the country outside of the very stable places (e.g. Las Vegas). They get more reliable around 7 days out, and then very reliable 5 days out. It's around 50% accurate 10 days out, 80% 7 days out, and 90% 5 days out.

                             

                            For Chicago, which has even more extreme weather than NYC, I would start trusting the forecast come Monday.

                             

                            How Reliable Are Weather Forecasts?

                             

                            F all that, I started checking the forecast as soon as it became available 2 weeks out. Have been checking at least once a day since then, and the frequency will increase as the date gets closer. If you don't do that, are you even running a marathon?

                             

                            and JMac - I'd take a PR over prize money, but would certainly go for the cabbage if there's no PR shot. All hypothetical for me of course.

                            Dave

                            flavio1980


                            Intl. correspondent

                              Mikkey - The shoes are gorgeous!!

                               

                              Steve - I’m glad you took a flight, I’m sure traffic over the bridge would be intense (inside joke)

                               

                              Jmac - You had your açaí this week, a PR is already guaranteed, the race will be glorious.

                              Now you can choose the race that pays you best!

                              PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:56 2021 HM 1:21:59 2021

                              Up next: 10K Family race

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                              Fishyone


                                Mikkey- Custom shoes....Nice touch!  I see it pays to be an "Elite Jogger."  Maybe someday I'll get sponsored (I hear AARP and weight watchers are looking at me for a sponsorship)

                                 

                                JMac- Now I fully expect and "airing of grievances" on this thread on Dec. 23.  You can tell all your fellow runners how they've disappointed you over the past year.  A festivus for the rest of us!

                                 

                                Steve Now that you are there and getting a good night sleep just avoid all human contact until race morning!

                                 

                                Dave- I'm with you....already watching the long range forecast for Philly November 20. I'm a little concerned about the "periods of rain" but the temp looks ideal.

                                 

                                SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 20

                                DAY

                                55°Hi

                                RealFeel® 44°

                                Chilly

                                RealFeel Shade™ 44°

                                Chilly

                                11/20

                                Very windy; periods of rain

                                Max UV Index1 Low

                                WindS 31 mph

                                Wind Gusts55 mph

                                Probability of Precipitation67%

                                Probability of Thunderstorms13%

                                Precipitation0.30 in

                                Rain0.30 in

                                Hours of Precipitation5.5

                                Hours of Rain5.5

                                Cloud Cover98%

                                5K 19:18 (2014), 10K 40:13 (2014), 1/2 1:29:07 (2015), full 2:58:36 (2015)