2022 Advanced Racing Thread (Read 493 times)


    Just catching up on the Chicago things. Mantz and Sisson wow.


    Dave what a stellar PR. Ian I'm so glad you went for it and are happy with the results. Darkwave - amazing headband and as expected you always leave what you have on the course; A lesson for us all.

    1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)


    Intl. correspondent

      DW - legendary head band! Are those pictures of your cats?

      So my father was always finding cats and feeding them at their old address. So my brother adopted a cat with hopes dad would take him over. For our joy he did take the cat.

      What we didn't expect was that my mom would cherish that cat so much. We've never seen her liking pets like that.

      She even bought him those fluffy cat toys.

      Great success all around. We named him Cafe, which means Coffee ☕ in Portuguese.


      Dave - thanks for the pictures, that is so nice to see.


      Mark - fear not! You can still see their pictures if you open this page on your phone with a data package.

      PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

      Up next: April 8th - 20.8K Eco Trail Porto (https://porto.ecotrail.com/en/race-ecotrail-porto/20km)

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      Mother of Cats

        Even with all the challenges you had,  you probably had better time in you if it was not for the hamstrings ( or is that also related to your running dystonia maybe? ).


        I'm pretty sure it was related to the dystonia/neurologic stuff.  It was burning pain and perfectly symmetrical down both legs , and I experience similar a lot of times when I'm in bed at night.  And now (less than 24 hours later) fine.  If it was muscular, I wouldn't expect it to be the exact same in both legs, and I'd also think I'd be a lot more sore the next morning.


        Thanks y'all for the headband love.  I deliberately wore it because I thought it would make it easy for DavePNW and Ian to find me (small runner woman with dark hair wouldn't have cut it, not would wearing my medal).


        I got it from Junk Headbands.  Tomfoolery Headband (junkbrands.com)

        Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.


        And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.


        RIP Milkman

          Dave thanks for posting the updated pictures. Made my morning.

          5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 


          Next Race: NYC Half (3/19)



            MMerk- very nice week.  My favorite was the Sunday run!  Well done keeping the pace slow I’m sure it was harder in some ways than doing repeats!  I’m impressed.


            Thanks LOL. It felt awkward but I think that had more to do with fatigue from the LR? I must admit it's easier to slow down to 8:00-8:30 pace when averaging 10 miles a day.


              Congrats to the three of you, awesome pic, and a great PR Dave!


                Had to time to go over yesterday,reading back I aimed to go at 3:07 pace but those first 10m were too fast,I must have done the calculations wrong in my head.

                Weight is a very easy way for me to improve,I'm currently hovering around 200lb so I need to decide what to cut out to get that lower as a lot of it is belly fat.Just losing that will knock off a fair chunk of time.

                I've looked at my WMM and my average is 3:17,would be nice to do Tokyo and get that below 3:15.

                It was really great to soend time with Dave and Darkwave after,both are really nice guys.

                5k 17:35,10k 36:43,10m 61:55,HM 1:24:03,Full 3:07:39


                Cobra Commander Keen

                  Trying to get caught up again after some combined days off work and sickness, my apologies to anyone I miss.

                  Fishy - Thanks! Aside from the HM in my sig line, which my coach is currently saying to run at 95% effort and may or may not end up being a PR. I'll do a Turkey Trot right before CIM (currently looking at races around the metro area to find the fastest one I can), and I may do a 5k to 15k the last Sunday in October - not sure about that one yet.

                  Steve - Congrats again on the race, even if it wasn't what you wanted and your training showed. I've got that RR queued up.

                  Marby - The above comments apply to you, too! Ramen pre-race? Yes, please! I'm a huge tonkotsu fan. (yes I usually avoid most grains but ramen is properly made with buckwheat, which isn't a grain).
                  This weekend I saw a guy wearing a shirt much like this and have been sorely tempted to order myself one ever since.


                  Flavio - Thanks, I do think my fitness is hitting some new levels. I love the running Superman photos.

                  JMac - Hurting yourself while doing something intended to ensure you don't get hurt sucks! I hope you're doing better.

                  Mark - Nice week. I do agree with finding joy in the process. Inevitably when race day gets close I resent it a little bit because the taper gets in the way of some really good training.

                  Cal - Excellent work in London, RR is in the queue.

                  Ian - Way to go!!

                  Dave - Awesome way to snag a PR!

                  DWave - Sorry for the issues leading up to and during the race, but from Strava it looks like you pulled off some of your classic steady pacing.



                  I had an unintentional cutback week owing to coming down with a stomach bug very early Thursday morning. I still wasn't feeling great for the start of my race, but oddly enough around mile 9 those stomach issues went away and I felt absolutely invincible after that, practically floating up hills that I've had issues with every other year - even with a (per Runalyze, GPS-based) 18:33 final 5k for a course PR.

                  The guy that won the race (1:23: something) was SUPER impressive. 55 years old, looks like he might be 40, and absolutely jacked musculature.

                  Back to the grind now, with what my coach has described as "big miles" for the next 4-5 weeks.



                  Weekly for period: From: 10/03/2022 To 10/09/2022

                  Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                  in ft
                  10/03 1 rogue rooster 6.05 9.73 00:55:01 09:06 05:39 318
                  10/03 1 armadillo 4.05 6.52 00:37:28 09:15 05:45 197
                  10/04 Another successfully completed loop 10.01 16.10 01:25:55 08:35 05:20 443
                  10/05 6x mile 16.25 26.15 02:08:42 07:55 04:55 440
                  10/05 1 hawk & that same wayward rooster 4.25 6.84 00:37:32 08:50 05:29 194
                  10/06 That time the minimum and the maximum were the same 1.05 1.69 00:09:57 09:29 05:53 33
                  10/07 1 monarch butterfly 4.10 6.60 00:36:28 08:54 05:32 161
                  10/08 Legs, 9/10 Stomach, 6/10 2.26 3.63 00:18:13 08:04 05:01 89
                  10/08 Wurst Race Half 13.07 21.03 01:26:58 06:39 04:08 574
                  10/08 Cool-down with DD2 2.10 3.38 00:21:17 10:08 06:18 121
                  10/09 Go home, Rosie 6.01 9.66 00:54:15 09:02 05:37 282

                  Total distance: 69.19mi

                  5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22


                  Upcoming Races:


                  Heartland 50 - May 6


                  Mmmm Bop

                    Dave - Huge congrats on a 4min PR at 57yo and I think you’ve elevated yourself to the Golden Oldies category on this forum!  Maybe you’re a rhythm runner and a pancake flat course suits you better than a rolling net downhill course? It’s very encouraging and hopefully sub 3:15 is your next target. 👍


                    Ian - Very impressive time and kudos for going for a PB…you’ve got the experience and knew it wouldn’t result in a blow up. You’ve definitely got the ability to go sub 3 no question about it.


                    darkwave - Congrats on getting to the start line and completing a marathon without getting injured after all your issues! I remember seeing a photo of you a while back and thought you looked a bit like Kelly Osbourne…a bit of a gothic vibe there, or maybe I just need to get my eyes tested. 

                    Cal - Congrats again and I’m glad you liked the course and the crowd support…I’ve always felt the London support gives me a 2min advantage compared to a low/medium sized marathon and was curious if it would have the same atmosphere in October, plus runners weren’t encouraged to bring family last year and was wondering if it would’ve had a knock on effect this year. I love that walk back to Victoria from the finish line which isn’t too far and you still get to see some of the race.  I think we’re roughly the same weight now at 150Ibs?  For the last few years my natural race weight has been 146 (without having a totally strict diet) and lightest was 140 when I ran my first sub 3 in 2010 which is what I want to get down to again for Boston as I’m slight build and 5’10” which I think is reasonable.  Anyway, that was a fantastic evening we had and it was definitely worth travelling up to London!  See you at Boston and hopefully RP joins us along with my 2023 coach JTR

                    5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                      Thanks for everyone’s kudos! It really was an amazing day for me. The kind I feel like I could retire from marathoning on. But also the kind that makes me want to keep running them. Mikkey - yes, 3:15 has certainly entered my head! That would be about a 7:25 avg and I can see that. But I’m going to enjoy the moment for now.



                      RIP Milkman

                        Thanks for everyone’s kudos! It really was an amazing day for me. The kind I feel like I could retire from marathoning on. But also the kind that makes me want to keep running them..


                        I felt the same way at the end of my marathon PR: if this is it, I'd be very happy with it. Honestly, still feel that way, so I think you will too.


                        You forgot to thank this forum. You joined this thread and immediately PR'd. That obviously means we were the cause 

                        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 


                        Next Race: NYC Half (3/19)



                          DavePNW, congrats on a huge PR!  Sounds like such a perfect day for you


                          Ian, congrats on your race!  I think going for it and coming up short is better than wondering what you really could have done.  How have you never done speedwork and still run that fast?


                          DW, so impressed you were able to get back to a marathon start line.  Congrats on running the best race you could.  It also seems like you have a 'new normal' baseline to improve on.


                          Keen, impressive HM for not feeling your best.  Have you ever run a race feeling 100% at the start?


                          Flavio, I too enjoyed the live updates, thank you for doing it.  And glad to see a boring week for you.


                          Steve, nice recovery week hope the mental side is going as well as the physical.


                          Cal, another good reminder that I really need to refocus on losing some weight.  Also a perfect example that the 3-4 months before a marathon matter, not the week before.


                          Mark, glad to hear things keep improving, maybe this will help you from peaking too early.


                          Jmac, hope you're figuring out your hamstring issues.


                          I had another feel like me again week.  I cannot get over how much it feels like someone flipped my on switch back on.  Now I just have to remember I essentially took 4 months off and have to ease back in.  All the high mileage talk has helped me decide to focus on getting my mileage back up with mainly easy runs and 2 short workouts a week.



                          Weekly for period: From: 10/03/2022 To 10/09/2022

                          Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                          in ft
                          10/03 That time of year where under 60 feels so cold and I overdress for all my runs 7.10 11.43 01:18:16 11:01 06:51 138
                          10/03 Afternoon Walk 3.61 5.81 01:11:00 19:40 12:13 89
                          10/04 6 x 600m 5.01 8.06 00:50:07 10:00 06:13 82
                          10/05 Picking up donuts for the birthday girl 🥳🍩 3.90 6.28 00:44:12 11:20 07:02 138
                          10/06 20 min progression 4.00 6.44 00:38:58 09:45 06:03 59
                          10/07 Morning Run 12.01 19.32 02:16:23 11:21 07:04 233
                          10/09 Lunch Run 8.21 13.20 01:40:34 12:15 07:37 167

                          Total distance: 43.84mi

                          5k 24:53 (2020) |10k 52:24 (2021) |HM 1:57:14 (2019) |FM 4:24 (2007) |50k 5:57 (2022)




                            Celebrating two years of marathon retirement today! 


                            Caitlin - excellent news to hear you are getting some consistency back again.

                            3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                            10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                            * Net downhill course

                            Last race: Clevedon Country Half Marathon, 5 Feb, 1:17:50, 1st overall

                            Up next: Waterfront Half Marathon, 2 Apr

                            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"


                            Intl. correspondent

                              Jmac - I think your injury has more to do with flying too close to the sun than not running fast in a while. You knew the risks going in and I'm certainly not going to fault you for going for it!


                              Keen - LOL at that t-shirt! 

                              It seems your Achilles heel are stomach bugs. It’s like you never ever catch a cold so nature compensates that with stomach bugs instead.

                              I was also thinking that you’re probably like those racing karts that have their speed limited in software. At some point you will figure out the bit of software that’s blocking your top speed and you’re going to be flying.


                              Caitlin - It's so nice to see you're getting over it, for a while I was quite concerned based on the symptoms you were reporting.

                              Covid can be so nasty, I couldn't believe how much it zapped my muscular endurance considering how active and healthy I am, and how light my symptoms were compared to most.

                              PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                              Up next: April 8th - 20.8K Eco Trail Porto (https://porto.ecotrail.com/en/race-ecotrail-porto/20km)

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                              Pain is my friend

                                I celebrated 10 years of staying away from marathons. I don't know why I came out of retirement. The training payed off but my hammys hate me. Time to get back to fun 100 mile training.


                                Celebrating two years of marathon retirement today! 


                                ATY 24   141.445 2019 1st

                                Bear 100 22:08 2021 

                                Jackpot 100 Feb 14:59 - 5th

                                St George marathon Oct 1st 2:58

                                ATY 24 130.969 2022 2nd


                                Pulse endurance 12 hour 76.22 1ST CR

                                June 24 hour Six days in the Dome

                                July Backyard ultra

                                Sept Bear 100