2022 Advanced Racing Thread (Read 467 times)

JMac11


RIP Milkman

     

    Thorlos Experia.

     

    Last for ages, super comfortable.

     

    All Thorlos are good but the Experia are a bit thinner and I prefer the feel of them.

     

    https://thorlos.com/collections/mens-socks/products/xccu00-cl-unisex-fitness-light-cushion-low-cut-xccu?variant=40368726081581

     

    Is this the right one? Looks like it's on sale so I will buy a bunch.

    5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

     

     

    DavePNW


       

      https://thorlos.com/collections/mens-socks/products/xccu00-cl-unisex-fitness-light-cushion-low-cut-xccu?variant=40368726081581

       

      Is this the right one? Looks like it's on sale so I will buy a bunch.

       

      Pretty bold to buy “a bunch” of something you’ve never tried before!

      Dave

      JMac11


      RIP Milkman

        I'm picky with a lot of stuff. Socks I am not. With two people recommending, and with it only on sale one day for veterans day, rather take the chance!

        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

         

         

        darkwave


        Mother of Cats

          If they don't work out as socks, they can always be converted into disposable mittens.

          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

           

          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

          Marky_Mark_17


             

            https://thorlos.com/collections/mens-socks/products/xccu00-cl-unisex-fitness-light-cushion-low-cut-xccu?variant=40368726081581

             

            Is this the right one? Looks like it's on sale so I will buy a bunch.

             

            Yup those are the ones I go for. Hope they work out for you. Pretty decent sale price tbh.  They often aren't the cheapest but they do last for ages.

            3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

            10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

            * Net downhill course

            Last race: Run the Point 10k, 27 Nov, 35:00, 1st overall

            Up next: Speights West Coaster, 10 Dec

            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

            JMac11


            RIP Milkman

              Thanks! Just ordered.

               

               

              Yup those are the ones I go for. Hope they work out for you. Pretty decent sale price tbh.  They often aren't the cheapest but they do last for ages.

              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

               

               


              Next up: destroy TP roll

                >Thanks! Just ordered.

                 

                Does anybody remember the late-80s/early 90s Thorlos ad, "I run in Thorlos, and sometimes I even wear shoes"? It featured this fairly high-level runner (want to say his name was Jeff Davis, but I'm not sure), who'd somehow ended up shoeless mid-race and finished the race wearing only his socks. (Plus, of course, running shorts etc.)

                 

                If I can ever find it, I'll post a link.

                 

                Meanwhile, the week in review:

                 

                6-12 Nov 2022: 64.3 mi in 10:19:25 -> 9:38 min/mi.

                 

                Summary: Week started off well, but then got derailed by insomnia again beginning Tuesday night despite my best efforts. Calling the doctor Monday. This is screwing with my life too much.

                 

                Sun 6 Nov: 14 mi in 2:09:33 -> 9:15 min/mi. Probably the best run of the week.

                Mon 7 Nov: 8.2 mi, 1:09:06 -> 9:40 min/mi

                Tue 8 Nov: 10;1 mi, 1:33:50 ->9:18 min/mi

                Wed 9 Nov: 9.6 mi including 5*(3' hard/1-3'min jog), 1:35:25 -> 9:59 min/mi

                Thu 10 Nov: 7.6 mi on trail in 1:18:33 -> 10:18 min/mi

                Fri 11 Nov: 7 mi, 1:07:57 -> 9:43 min/mi

                Sat 12 Nov: 7.9 mi, 1:15:00 -> 9:32 min/mi

                 

                Anyway: onward! At least I got the miles done. Low-key 5k this Saturday (11/19). Happy running!

                Chinese-learning sentence of the day:

                我的手机里有一千五百张猫的照片: There are 1500 cat photos on my cell phone

                Marky_Mark_17


                  ch17 - never saw the ad but I have heard stories about people running entire marathons in Thorlos.   All the best sorting that insomnia... sounds rough.

                   

                  Me - decent week of training with Sunday being my first trip up to the forest in a while.  Figured it was good practice for the trail half I've got coming up in 4 weeks.  Anyways I took a wrong turn on the western side and instead of getting the northern loop I ended up coming along Hansen Rd which took me up and along a clearfelled ridge.  This was not a bad thing as most of the forest roads are gravel and this was full on trail (rutted, muddy, strewn with bits of tree) with a 10% grade hill to start.  The trail half I'm doing has two hills with a 10% grade and they're both around 2km long (basically opposite sides of the same hill), so it actually made me realise that the best strategy may very well be to just walk the hills, or at least jog them with walk breaks (I'm interested to hear what Krash thinks on this front?).  Anyways I should be able to get a couple more forest runs in before the race next month.  It was nice being out there actually... harder running but great to be out in nature and I can tell from how my legs feel that it's worked a bunch of muscles I wouldn't normally use on the roads!

                   

                  Weekly for period: From: 07/11/2022 To 13/11/2022

                  Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                  in m
                  07/11 That run with the ol’ recovery shuffle 4.46 7.18 00:33:25 07:30 04:39 15
                  08/11 That run where I was out early but the rowers were out earlier 8.30 13.35 00:55:40 06:42 04:10 95
                  09/11 That run where there were a lot of runners out considering it’s the second week after the Auckland Marathon 8.65 13.92 00:55:07 06:22 03:58 40
                  10/11 That run where for the first time in 4 years I actually saw someone using the bike lane in Hobsonville Point 8.94 14.38 01:02:12 06:57 04:20 94
                  12/11 That run where they were setting up for the 24 hour race 7.76 12.48 00:47:12 06:05 03:47 49
                  13/11 That run with the first forest adventure in a while 13.68 22.01 01:39:31 07:16 04:31 519

                  Total distance: 83.31km (51.8 imperial treestumps)

                  3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                  10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                  * Net downhill course

                  Last race: Run the Point 10k, 27 Nov, 35:00, 1st overall

                  Up next: Speights West Coaster, 10 Dec

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  SteveChCh


                  Hot Weather Complainer

                    Christine - Sorry to hear the insomnia continues to be a problem.  I've experienced it too and it really screws everything up, physically and mentally.  Hope you get somewhere with the doctor.

                     

                    Mark - Nice week and great forest trail run.  That is pretty hardcore to go to straight from the road and track.

                     

                    me - Good moderate week as I try and get some speed in my legs for Queenstown, even with my conservative goal of 1:34.xx.  The quicker speeds felt really comfortable, although I think I need to add at least 5 secs per km to feel the same on the trails.  I'm glad this isn't a goal race with a pretty bad forecast - rain on race day and the few days leading into it so the trails will be under water in places, if the forecast is correct.  I'll update my target pace accordingly and won't be silly about going after it if the conditions don't allow.  The positive is the wind should be light.  My main goal is to enjoy myself which is completely in my own hands.

                     

                    Weekly for period: From: 07/11/2022 To 13/11/2022

                    Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                    in m
                    07/11 Warm up 0.33 0.53 00:03:18 10:00 06:14 0
                    07/11 Easy pace 8.75 14.08 01:13:09 08:22 05:12 19
                    07/11 Strides 0.74 1.20 00:06:01 08:08 05:01 0
                    09/11 Warm up 0.35 0.56 00:03:12 09:09 05:43 0
                    09/11 3 x 3km @ 4:30/km with 500m recoveries 9.11 14.66 01:08:56 07:34 04:42 6
                    10/11 Recovery 5.54 8.91 00:53:30 09:39 06:00 11
                    11/11 Warm up 0.34 0.54 00:03:22 09:54 06:14 0
                    11/11 Easy pace 6.29 10.12 00:52:13 08:18 05:10 10
                    11/11 Strides 0.74 1.19 00:05:42 07:42 04:47 0
                    12/11 Warm up 0.34 0.54 00:03:17 09:39 06:05 0
                    12/11 4km @ 4:30-35 8.82 14.19 01:10:28 07:59 04:58 12
                    13/11 Recovery 4.10 6.59 00:39:59 09:45 06:04 7

                    Total distance: 73.12km (45.45mi)

                    Net Downhill PB Southern Lakes Half Marathon 2022 1:27:32, Flat Course PB Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                    Recent Races:   Melbourne Marathon 3:35:03 October 2, 2022, Southern Lakes Half Marathon 1:27:32 May 7, 2022, Motorway 10km 40:49 February 27, 2022, Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon 1:29:32  November 7, 2021

                    Race plan:  Christchurch Marathon April 16, 2023, New York Marathon 2024


                    Pain is my friend

                      I love all the topics coming up. What I eat/drink and put on my feet for an ultra matters a lot. 

                      I drink water during a 100 miler almost the whole race. I drink a lot of Mt Dew too. Lol. I use salt pill religiously. I start by taking 1 an hour at the start of race. As it warms up I go to 2 an hour. Really hot races I will take 3-4 pills an hour. When the sun goes down I still take salt pills. 

                      The right socks are important. I like smart wool and wright socks. I have tried Injinji socks. They are ok. When it’s cold my toes freeze and they aren’t that easy to put on at times. 

                      Mark- I love a good trail half marathon. During training I try to run every hill I can. Hill repeats are great training. When climbing shorten your stride/step. If the hill is as long as you say, walking is the best option. Work on your power hike. Quick steps. You got this.

                      ATY 24   141.445 2019

                      Bear 100 22:08 2021 

                       

                      Revolution run 5 hours Jan 1 2022- 36 miles 1st

                      Jackpot 100 Feb 14:59 - 5th

                      Zions 100- 21:24 4th

                      St George marathon Oct 1st 2:58

                      Across the years 24 Dec 31st 

                       

                      flavio1980


                      Intl. correspondent

                        Ch- I've just realised your avatar is a picture of a cat. +1000 points to you!
                        Also, I hope you and the doc can figure out the insomnia thing. I suffer from poor quality of sleeping, which is not the same, and 5-HTP helps when it gets worse, though I really only use it in times of crisis.
                        I've had that since I was a child though and it messes up my recovery and weakens my immune system.

                         

                        Mark - There's a calming effect of walking or running in the woods, at least to me. I grew up on a farm so when I'm in a silent forest with a water stream flowing somewhere I'm in paradise.

                         

                        Me - So I'm reading "The athlete's gut" and it's a quite interesting read. Apparently Mick Jagger can hold quite a lot of water in his mouth.
                        But also, he does not recommend drinking pickle juice (see that Steve?) cause pickle juice is a hypertonic drink and it causes water to drop from the blood stream into your guts, effectively dehydrating you.

                         

                        Also, me and my wife met the legend Neil aka LongBoat the resident historian and his wife, at an Italian restaurant for lunch yesterday.

                        They are the nicest people!

                        When the waiter asked him if he wanted Italian or Portuguese wine he made the right choice👏🇮🇹

                        Neil And Flavio

                         

                         

                        And here's my weekly:

                        Weekly for period: From: 11/07/2022 To 11/13/2022

                        Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                        in ft
                        11/08 50'E 5.79 9.32 00:50:01 08:38 05:22 279
                        11/09 70'E 8.36 13.46 01:09:45 08:21 05:11 390
                        11/10 60'E 7.14 11.48 01:00:00 08:24 05:14 479
                        11/12 60'E 7.29 11.72 01:00:01 08:14 05:07 289
                        11/13 80'E 10.00 16.10 01:20:02 08:00 04:58 499

                        Total distance: 38.58mi

                        PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:56 2021 HM 1:21:59 2021

                        Up next: 10K Family race

                        Tool to generate Strava weekly

                        darkwave


                        Mother of Cats

                          CH17 - good luck with the insomnia.  I take it next weekend's 5K is the Cranberry Crawl?

                           

                          Marky_Mark - I'm going to observe the obvious - 2Km at 10% grade is just brutal.

                           

                          Steve - rough forecast but sounds like you have the right attitude.

                           

                          Flavio - good consistent week for you, and great that you were able to meet LongBoat.

                           

                          ****

                          My week:

                          56 miles running, 2 hours Lever Runner (-20 pounds), and 500 yards swimming.

                           

                          M: 60 minutes Lever Run (-20 pounds) and streaming yoga
                          T: 10 miles on the treadmill with 8x(2:00 at 8mph with 2% incline; 90 second jog; 0:30 at 9.0-9.1 mph; 60 second jog). Followed with leg strengthwork.
                          W: upper body weights/core and 10 miles on treadmill (9:47)
                          Th: streaming yoga and 60 minutes Lever Run (-20 pounds)
                          F: 10.5 miles on the treadmill, including 5x5:00 at 8.1mph with 60 second jog and 6x0:30 at 9.0-9.5 mph with 90 second jog. Followed with leg strengthwork.
                          Sa: 10 miles easy outside (9:40) and upper body weights/core.
                          Su: 14.5 miles progressive outside, split as first 5 miles averaging 9:46, next 5 miles averaging 8:35, next 4.5 miles averaging 7:44. 1 mile cooldown after. Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.

                           

                          It took until Friday night for me to test negative for Covid, so I stayed home until then.  Since I couldn't pool-run, I used my Lever Runner.  It was a holiday splurge for myself last year, and while I don't use it that often, it's nice to have it as an option - it means that I can use my treadmill for regular running and cross-training.

                           

                          I'm feeling mostly OK - maybe a little bit tired, but that could just be that I'm out of shape.

                          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                           

                          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                          mmerkle


                            DW That's a solid week while recovering from "the vid". Glad you're feeling alright.

                             

                            CommanderKeen Sick race.

                             

                            My Week                                                               Time:            Miles:         Kilos:           Pace/mi:        Pace/kilo:

                             

                            11/7: Off but did a fair amount

                            of leg strength work

                             

                            11/8: Easy 8 on the treadmill,

                            7 miles on stationary bike after                         1:07:15               8               12.8                8:25              5:14

                             

                            11/9: Fartlek on the treadmill:

                            15 min easy, then 4 X 10 min

                            tempo/threshold w/ 2 min jogs,

                            intervals were on a 3% incline

                            from 8.8 mph to 9.3 mph                                   1:15:54              10              16.1                7:36              4:43

                             

                            11/10: Easy 8 miles on mill, right

                            hip flexor was very sore                                    1:06:44                8               12.8                8:21              5:11

                             

                            11/11: Easy 7 on the mill,

                            hip flexor still not great                                      1:00:20                7               11.2                8:38              5:23

                             

                            11/12: Easy 9 on the mill,

                            6 on the bike after, hip feeling better                 1:16:00                9               14.5                8:27              5:16

                             

                            11/13: On the treadmill (again):

                            15 minutes easy, 50 minute

                            progressive tempo, 8.5 mph (13.6 kph)

                            progressing to 9.3 (15), incline

                            1.5%-2.5% but mostly 2%, the rest easy.          1:32:15               12              19.3                7:42              4:48

                             

                            Total: 54 miles, 86.9 kilometers, 7:18:28

                             

                            The tempo today felt much better than the 4 X 10 minute on Wednesday, not sure why.

                            Less than two weeks to go here, I hate this part. It drags. Sometimes I feel like 16 weeks is a pinch too long for me.


                            Next up: destroy TP roll

                              Hey all - thanks for the kind words about the insomnia. And, now about you:

                               

                              Marky_Mark_17: nice forest run! I liked the part about how you took a wrong turn and just kept going.

                               

                              SteveChCh: "I'm glad this isn't a goal race with a pretty bad forecast...the trails will be under water in places, if the forecast is correct" - reminded me of XC races where people duct-tape-on their shoes.(I've never done that.)

                               

                              flavio1980: LoL-ing about the Mick Jagger factoid... can you imagine using that as a pickup line at a bar or as an icebreaker at a cocktail party?

                               

                              mmerkle & darkwave: wow, you guys scare me with how many miles you can do on the treadmill.  Nice work!

                               

                              darkwave: you're right, it's the Cranberry Crawl. You going? Glad you're out of the + test box.

                              Chinese-learning sentence of the day:

                              我的手机里有一千五百张猫的照片: There are 1500 cat photos on my cell phone

                              Marky_Mark_17


                                Flavio - yeah the peacefulness of the forest is great. Lots of birds, and the slosh of my hydration pack haha.

                                 

                                Krash - thanks for the tip.  I'll probably go up to the forest again this weekend for some more trails as there's not a lot near home or work.

                                 

                                mmerkle - good to hear the tempo went better this time. 50 mins is a pretty decent effort especially if you're running it progressive.

                                 

                                Steve - there's something kind of reassuring when you get bad weather for a non-goal race.  I mean, it's a total fallacy, but mentally I always think "phew I've got a bad weather day out of the way so now I have a better chance of good weather for my goal race" lol.

                                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: Run the Point 10k, 27 Nov, 35:00, 1st overall

                                Up next: Speights West Coaster, 10 Dec

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"