2022 Advanced Marathoning Thread (Read 299 times)

    JTReeves - looking solid as you build up. Having that long run really makes a difference in the weekly mileage. Thanks for sharing!

    Next Races: Fools Run 10 mile (4/2/22), York Marathon (5/15/2214/23), Stupid Marathon TT (June 2022)

    zebano


      Goat: Hicham El Guerrouj 3:43 and 3:26 are just insane. 

       

      My week isn't worth posting as it started solidly but got derailed by a full blown sinus infection on Thursday making me miss most everything. Thankfully it never hit the chest and the sinus pressure is almost gone so  can resume running tomorrow. 

       

      Looks like the new guys have some talent and experience! Anyone here have experience leash training a dog for running? I run with mine most of the year but when it gets icy downhills get too scary for me. 

      1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

      Running Problem


      Problem Child

         

        Former RA follower/contributor making a mediocre effort at returning to the island of misfit marathoners. 

         

        Name: Ace

        Age: 36

        Location: East TN

        Life: Married with 3 kids (7,5,4), trying to work less and play more

        Running History: Running off and on since middle school, did not run in college, returned to running in 2017 and have been fairly consistent since then. First marathon in 2011, swore off marathons but returned to them in 2017. Try to race anything from 5k to 50k. I do a mix of group runs and solo runs. I use a coach in town for my training and have for the last 3 years. I love it. Less thinking, more running. I'm terrible at cross-training, but trying (kind of) to get better.  I had a great 2021 as far as running goes. I raced two 5ks, two 10ks, two 15ks, a 10-miler, and a marathon and set a PR in every race this year. Most importantly, I didn't get injured this year!  I really love this sport and hope to continue it for a long time to come. 

         

        Running Goals for 2022: 

        1. Sub 2:50 marathon
        2. Sub 1:20 1/2 marathon
        3. Sub 17:00 5k
        4. Get more time on trails. Maybe do something stupid.

        Expected 2022 Race: Napa Marathon (3/6, my brother lives in Napa), NY Marathon (have a qualifying time), and some local 5k to 13.1 races. I won a 10 miler and turkey trot 10k in 2021 and would like to go back and try to repeat those. Would love to try some cross country races in the fall if available. 

         

        I guess I post my past yearly miles here?

        2021 - 2107

        2020 - 1843

        2019 - 1778

        2018 - 2018 (most importantly I beat RP to 2,000 and he graciously fulfilled his end of the bet and sent me some beer)

        2017 - 1590

         

        Lastly, who has experience in registering for NY with a qualifying time? I've checked NYRR site, but have not found any clarity on registering with a qualifying time. Help appreciated.

         

        Kipchoge >> Bekele

         

         

         

        blast from the past.

        Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

        VDOT 54.9

        5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

          Goat: Hicham El Guerrouj 3:43 and 3:26 are just insane. 

           

          My week isn't worth posting as it started solidly but got derailed by a full blown sinus infection on Thursday making me miss most everything. Thankfully it never hit the chest and the sinus pressure is almost gone so  can resume running tomorrow. 

           

          Looks like the new guys have some talent and experience! Anyone here have experience leash training a dog for running? I run with mine most of the year but when it gets icy downhills get too scary for me. 

          Agreed - El G is the GOAT.... when it comes to middle distance. Track and XC it's still Bekele. He went undefeated for years in XC which is probably the hardest discipline to do so since it combines every top runner from every event. His dominance included both the short and long courses! For Marathon, for character, and for just being an all around GOAT... Kipchoge wins hands down.

          Next Races: Fools Run 10 mile (4/2/22), York Marathon (5/15/2214/23), Stupid Marathon TT (June 2022)

            Agreed - El G is the GOAT.... when it comes to middle distance. Track and XC it's still Bekele. He went undefeated for years in XC which is probably the hardest discipline to do so since it combines every top runner from every event. His dominance included both the short and long courses! For Marathon, for character, and for just being an all around GOAT... Kipchoge wins hands down.

             

            Well said. It's amazing how old those WRs are from El G; only Kiprop came kinda close to the 1500, but then he was busted for PED use. What do you guys think about El G: was he clean or not? I'm skeptical, partly because of Morocco's record of athletes using PEDs, and partly because of how he retired so early and abruptly, right when testing for EPO was getting serious.

             

            Second question: Do you think Jakob will be able to get the 1500 WR? Still has to cut ~2.3 seconds which is an eternity at that pace, but he's young...

             

            Coach: Took a look at the York marathon and it looks nice; my only concern would be the weather mid-May in PA; may be on the warm side?

            2:52:16 (2018)

              oops, double posted for some reason.

              2:52:16 (2018)

              darkwave


              Mother of Cats

                Aren't we all overlooking Paavo Nurmi?

                Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                 

                And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                   

                  Well said. It's amazing how old those WRs are from El G; only Kiprop came kinda close to the 1500, but then he was busted for PED use. What do you guys think about El G: was he clean or not? I'm skeptical, partly because of Morocco's record of athletes using PEDs, and partly because of how he retired so early and abruptly, right when testing for EPO was getting serious.

                   

                  Second question: Do you think Jakob will be able to get the 1500 WR? Still has to cut ~2.3 seconds which is an eternity at that pace, but he's young...

                   

                  Coach: Took a look at the York marathon and it looks nice; my only concern would be the weather mid-May in PA; may be on the warm side?

                  Thoughts on El G's clean record: Is it possible he doped? Yes. Sadly the testing wasn't that good back then. However, he was tested A LOT and never really had any serious questions or doubts. Not only that, but his body was a freak of nature. At his height of 5'9" he had the legs of a guy nearly 6'2" and same with his lung size/capacity. He only weighed in at 128 lbs too because his torso/upper body were so small. He was all legs, lungs and heart. Watching him kick near 50 flat for the last 1/4 in a 1500 or mile... poetry.

                   

                  Jakob will never break the record as long as he is clean. He is strong, but that record has stood despite some guys who have better pedigees, bodies and mechanics. Yeah he is good, but not that good.

                   

                  As for the York Marathon, typically temps aren't too bad topping out in the low to mid 60's at most during that time of day. Often we get temps that won't crest the 50s. Yeah, ideally it would be 40's for me though :-)

                  Next Races: Fools Run 10 mile (4/2/22), York Marathon (5/15/2214/23), Stupid Marathon TT (June 2022)

                  HermosaBoy


                    Kind of an odd week for me due to Minnesota weather (all miles on the treadmill) and being really busy taking a USATF Coaching course...

                    Weekly for period: From: 12/27/2021 To 01/02/2022

                    Date Name mi Duration Avg/mi Comments
                    12/27 Morning Run 5.00 00:38:53 07:47 Easy
                    12/28 Morning Run 6.00 00:49:03 08:11 Easy
                    12/29 Morning Run 0.25 00:00:43 14:20 Watch error -- part of next run
                    12/29 Morning Run 6.80 00:52:48 07:46 8x 90 Second progressions
                    12/30 Morning Run 4.01 00:32:52 08:12 Easy
                    12/31 Afternoon Run 8.01 00:56:41 07:05 Easy
                    01/01 Morning Run 8.00 01:02:51 07:51 8x 30 Second Strides
                    01/02 Morning Run 12.0 01:26:51 07:15 Long run progression

                     

                    Total distance: 50.0 mi

                    And you can quote me as saying I was mis-quoted. Groucho Marx

                     

                    Rob

                    zebano


                      DW The Flying Finn? I mean what he did was crazy but I didn't think any of his records stood that long but he was absurdly dominant in his time. He was just the one who introduced everyone to stupid levels of intervals. I find it really hard to compare across multiple generations.

                       

                       

                      Regarding doping... I've just been skeptical of everyone ever since I found out Lance and a large portion of the Tour De France was doping. Yeah, it's possible a lot of people area clean but I guess I don't have that faith, which is why none of these guys (or gals) are really "heroes" to me. I'm really hoping that Jakob can come close to the record, for the drama if nothing else. Did anyone watch his XC win last month? He looked effortless out there. I'm hoping he moves up in distance at some point, I think he'd be a hell of a 5k-HM runner.

                       

                      Hermosa 50 miles on the treadmill?? I'm sorry. or maybe I'm just not mentally tough enough for that. Treadmill running just feels unnatural to me; I can't get my mind off where the front of it is, and nevermind the fact that all the gym 'mills have a TV mounted on them so close that it's the only thing I can see.

                      1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

                      AceHarris


                        Decent week of training. Poor week of reading the thread.

                        Tuesday's workout of 3 x 1600 was okay. Ran at 2pm due to travel that day. Had 15-25 MPH winds so dealing with pacing on a track was tough with the big tailwind on the back stretch and getting the headwind to finish each lap. Legs are feeling decent. Next race is a 10 miler on 1/15.

                         

                        hermosa: I don't think I've ran 50 treadmill miles in the last 2 years, but I also do not live in MN.

                         

                        Weekly for period: From: 12/27/2021 To 01/02/2022

                        Date Name mi Duration Avg/mi
                        12/27 Lunch Run 5.04 00:39:38 07:52
                        12/28 Up 2.21 00:16:46 07:35
                        12/28 3x1600 IR 60s 3.10 00:18:36 06:00
                        12/28 Down 2.71 00:21:23 07:53
                        12/29 Morning Run 8.02 01:04:23 08:02
                        12/30 Up, 16x100 hills, down 7.04 00:53:48 07:39
                        12/31 Morning Run 5.07 00:40:36 08:00
                        01/01 Afternoon Run 6.61 00:52:02 07:52
                        01/02 Morning Run 16.05 02:05:49 07:50

                        Total distance: 55.86mi

                        Road Mile: 5:19 (2017), 5k: 17:09 (2021), 10k: 35:54 (2021), HM: 1:21:55 (2020), M: 2:53:18 (2021)

                        HermosaBoy


                          Yeah zebano and AceHarris - I am crazy. But as I have gotten older the risk of falling on ice seems to be a lot more frightening than shutting off my brain to run on a treadmill.

                           

                          I have a nice setup in my basement and can watch just about anything on a 50 inch TV that is an appropriate distance in front of me. Quite often, I will fast forward into a broadcast of a race and put myself into it to finish at the same time...

                          And you can quote me as saying I was mis-quoted. Groucho Marx

                           

                          Rob

                          CommanderKeen


                          Aspiring Hobby Jogger

                            Hermosa - I've had a few all-treadmill weeks before and they're not fun. I hope you get back outside soon!


                            Ace - Did I mention before that you've gotten obnoxiously fast since you were last here?

                             

                            JMac - Once again, thanks for the line on those Salomon XC ski mittens! Those things are absolutely awesome.

                             

                             

                            This week was actually a big bigger than I had thought it would be. It certainly felt good to get a bit of a LR in. I moved it to Sunday because Saturday morning it was just above freezing temps, rainy, and windy. In exchange I ended up doing it in sub-0 wind chill Sunday, but that was much more pleasant than the rain would have been (despite having the right gear for those conditions).

                             

                            Weekly for period: From: 12/27/2021 To 01/02/2022

                            Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                            in ft
                            12/27 7 deer (7 strides), 2 hawk, & 1 owl 8.05 12.96 01:06:08 08:13 05:06 397
                            12/28 1 owl 7.05 11.35 00:59:40 08:28 05:15 367
                            12/29 2 owls 9.10 14.65 01:12:52 08:00 04:58 449
                            12/30 2 deer (2 strides) & 1 hawk 6.15 9.90 00:51:10 08:19 05:10 240
                            12/31 2 owls 8.05 12.96 01:05:03 08:05 05:01 387
                            01/01 January 1 and I'm already being lazy 4.11 6.61 00:33:07 08:03 05:01 220
                            01/02 Well, I did want winter. 14.51 23.35 01:59:45 08:15 05:08 568

                            Total distance: 57.04mi

                            5k: 18:14 11/21 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

                             

                            Upcoming Races:

                             

                            Wurst Race Half - 10/8

                            CIM - 12/4

                            Running Problem


                            Problem Child

                              ace 25 mph winds are just so weird for me to train in. Mostly from a "I'll never get this on race day" aspect, then when it happens all I can think is "I don't even know what to do with this kind of a boost. Like...I haven't trained for it so I don't know if I run 10 seconds per mile faster, or just run goal race pace.

                               

                              hermosa I have a friend who just picked up a nice treadmill last fall. He's growing into it and had a 20 miler planned. It can be helpful here not only for ice, but also smoke due to wildfires. Seriously, there was an entire month of marathon training in 2021 I lost due to air quality. It was probably the only time I wanted a treadmill and a fan. Otherwise I suffer with the outside elements. I've not injured myself on ice, and I'm still young (at heart) and dumb.

                               

                              MY week

                              All easy feel running and just running what I wanted to for distance. mostly 1 hour "lunch" runs. Cold, so I had to layer up and remember I don't own enough winter clothing. I didn't even have a goal for weekly mileage, and this would have been a good mileage week I struggled to get during 2021 marathon training. Weird.

                              EDIT: I'm actually thinking, like my race report, "7 miles a day. 7 days a week. Would you like a calculator?"

                              Weekly for period: From: 12/27/2021 To 01/02/2022

                              Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                              in ft
                              12/27 That time I went out chasing freshies. 6.17 9.92 00:50:16 08:09 05:04 128
                              12/28 That time motorcyclists save lives. 7.18 11.55 00:59:47 08:20 05:11 56
                              12/29 Morning Walk 1.01 1.63 00:24:57 24:42 15:18 26
                              12/29 That time it was fun until it wasn’t. 7.58 12.20 01:02:51 08:17 05:09 164
                              12/30 That time I took it just a little too far. 7.48 12.03 00:58:54 07:52 04:54 331
                              12/31 That time COVID 19 eliminated change. 7.39 11.90 00:57:37 07:48 04:51 351
                              01/01 That time I ran more miles than degrees. 14.29 22.99 01:54:51 08:02 05:00 935
                              01/02 That time I’m going to work this out the old fashioned way. 9.45 15.21 01:15:56 08:02 05:00 259

                              Total distance: 60.55mi

                              Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                              VDOT 54.9

                              5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

                                Cold and Carbon Plated Shoes....

                                 

                                Anyone else find that the carbon plated shoes really stiffen up in the cold? I know that cold can and often does effect other shoes, but this morning I was doing a little workout and man the Carbon Xs really felt stiff! Temps were in the teens, so it was chilly but not cold cold yet.

                                Next Races: Fools Run 10 mile (4/2/22), York Marathon (5/15/2214/23), Stupid Marathon TT (June 2022)