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Biking Hills=Big thighs?? (Read 3350 times)


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    If I might make a suggestion...I looked at your log a bit and you have an awful lot of quality workouts...long, tempo, fartlek, hills, but very few EASY runs.  You have a lot of big gaps in training, too.  The name of the game is really having the bulk of one's mileage at easy effort and keeping consistency.


    As someone around here once famously said, "Run lots.  Mostly easy.  Sometimes fast."  I've also seen advice to avoid much in the way of speed work until one has a consistent base of 20-30mpw for a few months.  I think it's good advice...at least it's worked pretty well for me.  I'm not particularly fast, but I've been at this now for 4 years and can count on one hand all of my "injuries"--none which has benched me for more than a few days here and there.

    Kirsten - aka "Auntie Kirsten"

    '14 Goals:

    • 2 olympic distance duathlons -- 6 days apart -- PR at least 1

    • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)

      Zoom - I actually an unsure if I'm cataloging my runs properly. It's nearly impossible to find a decent, flat place that's convenient for me to run. Everywhere is hilly! Do I always catalog as Hill? How slow is easy?

      I don't half-ass anything

       

      "I have several close friends who have run marathons, a word that is actually derived from two Swahili words: mara, which means 'to die a horrible death' and thon, which means 'for a stupid T-shirt.' Look it up." - Celia Rivenbark, You Can't Drink All Day if You Don't Start in the Morning

       

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         How slow is easy?

         

        Some days for me it is 8:15/mile.  Other days it is 9:30/mile.  Point being, I don't look at easy as a pace... more of a descriptor of effort.  Some days a run at a specific pace will feel easier than other days.  For lots of reasons.  Easy is... well, easy.  I'm not breathing hard and I could go and go and go if I wanted (but usually can't because of real life).  My heart rate elevates a bit and I sweat... but in no way am I pushing it.  It's easy.  If I'm running with someone, we can hold a full conversation, including cuss words.  (whereas at a faster clip, it might be limited to ONLY cuss words)

         


        I look my best blurry!

          If I might make a suggestion...I looked at your log a bit and you have an awful lot of quality workouts...long, tempo, fartlek, hills, but very few EASY runs.  You have a lot of big gaps in training, too.  The name of the game is really having the bulk of one's mileage at easy effort and keeping consistency.


          As someone around here once famously said, "Run lots.  Mostly easy.  Sometimes fast."  I've also seen advice to avoid much in the way of speed work until one has a consistent base of 20-30mpw for a few months.  I think it's good advice...at least it's worked pretty well for me.  I'm not particularly fast, but I've been at this now for 4 years and can count on one hand all of my "injuries"--none which has benched me for more than a few days here and there.

           I believe her!  I did what you are doing and you know what happened to me kunland!  Listen!!!!  NO MORE INJURIES!  


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            Zoom - I actually an unsure if I'm cataloging my runs properly. It's nearly impossible to find a decent, flat place that's convenient for me to run. Everywhere is hilly! Do I always catalog as Hill? How slow is easy?

             

            Kim - I've moved to a place where there are no flat places to run either (unless you want to run the same loop in the park 5000 times ...). I go by the same measure that was mentioned here in this thread "easy is when it feels easy".My definition of easy is a little different each day; sometimes I am mentally tougher than others and can tolerate more and it stills feels easy. My pace for easy runs here on the island (hills) is obviously slower than on the mainland.

             

            After 2 years of living here I am starting to love the hills. They now energize me and make me a stronger and faster runner. It's the coolest feeling to trudge up a steep one and feel a surge of energy and strong legs and speed up even though I haven't crested the hill fully.

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              Does this mean I can blame my "thunder thighs" on biking, even though I haven't been on a bike in 10 years??

                 

                Some days for me it is 8:15/mile.  Other days it is 9:30/mile.  Point being, I don't look at easy as a pace... more of a descriptor of effort.  Some days a run at a specific pace will feel easier than other days.  For lots of reasons.  Easy is... well, easy.  I'm not breathing hard and I could go and go and go if I wanted (but usually can't because of real life).  My heart rate elevates a bit and I sweat... but in no way am I pushing it.  It's easy.  If I'm running with someone, we can hold a full conversation, including cuss words.  (whereas at a faster clip, it might be limited to ONLY cuss words)

                 In this case, I think I mostly always run easy! Right before my most recent pains I went a little crazy and tried some random bursts of sprints (fartlek??) but I'm rarely dying at the end of my runs. I think I'm going to seek out the services of a local running coach. I must have the running form of a wounded chicken...

                I don't half-ass anything

                 

                "I have several close friends who have run marathons, a word that is actually derived from two Swahili words: mara, which means 'to die a horrible death' and thon, which means 'for a stupid T-shirt.' Look it up." - Celia Rivenbark, You Can't Drink All Day if You Don't Start in the Morning

                 


                Needs more cowbell!

                  I must have the running form of a wounded chicken...

                   

                  Ha, I kind of run like an injured turkey, come to think of it... Tongue

                  Kirsten - aka "Auntie Kirsten"

                  '14 Goals:

                  • 2 olympic distance duathlons -- 6 days apart -- PR at least 1

                  • 130#s (and stay there, gotdammit!)


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                    Great Googly-Moogly!






                       

                      kunland, I doubt your thighs will get bigger, if you want to be a good at hills on a bike you must weigh less than 2 pounds for each inch in height.

                       uh oh, so basically i should not gain another pound or i'm screwed LOL.  hehe i just realized i am exactly 2 pounds for every inch in height. 

                      'No matter how slow you go, you're still lapping everyone on the couch'

                       

                      "Running is a big question mark that's there each and every day. It asks you, 'Are you going to be a wimp or are you going to be strong today?'"  - Peter Maher

                       

                      "Running long and hard is an ideal antidepressant, since it's hard to run and feel sorry for yourself at the same time. Also, there are those hours of clearheadedness that follow a long run."  -Monte Davis


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                         uh oh, so basically i should not gain another pound or i'm screwed LOL.  hehe i just realized i am exactly 2 pounds for every inch in height. 

                         

                        No, no, and no. Climbing well is about power-to-weight ratio, not some arbitrary number. Pure climbers do indeed tend to be little and skinny, but they then don't do well at time trialling, which is all about maximum sustained power output (in an aerodynamic position). I'm in the 3.3ish lb. per inch class, but I motor up hills quite well compared to other folks. Why? I live in a hillier area than those folks. Ya wanna be good at hills? Ride on hills.

                        And have awesome thighs. Awesome thighs are awesome.

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                           Ya wanna be good at hills? Ride on hills.

                           

                          Did. This is far too simple to understand. Can you please provide a more complicated explanation? Thanks.

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                            Did. This is far too simple to understand. Can you please provide a more complicated explanation? Thanks.

                             For to have the mighty, you must, and with majesty, embolden your Type 1 muscle fibers, and stress them, and do so with great regularity, for thou reap what ya sow, ya know? And being that you want NOT to have the scary veiny custom-pants-needing quads on the guy in the middle, you should NOT go to the velodrome and HOLY SHIT VELODROME ISN'T IN MY SPELLCHECKER DICTIONARY but now it is and do many, many 10 second 200 meter accelerations on a fixed gear velocipede, and wow, velocipede WAS in my spellchecker dictionary, but spellchecker isn't. 

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                            Kill

                              SWEET! Thanks, did. I totally get it now.

                               

                              What should my carb/protein/fat percentages be? I'm hoping they need to be close to Nutella. Or beer.

                              Passion is a rather frightening thing because if you have passion you don't know where it will take you.

                               

                              When it’s all said and done, will you have said more than you’ve done?


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                                SWEET! Thanks, did. I totally get it now.

                                 

                                What should my carb/protein/fat percentages be? I'm hoping they need to be close to Nutella. Or beer.

                                 

                                Several.



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