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Have you switched shoes? Why did you do it? (Read 923 times)

    I was reading one of the many posts on shoes asking about mileage and that got me to wondering if it would be worth it to switch shoes to try to get more mileage (because I'm a cheap miserable human being that doesn't want to spend money). I've been running on Mizuno Wave Riders for the past 18 months and I've gone through quite a few pair. Since I've diligently started tracking my mileage on them I've noticed I get about 300 - 350 good miles before I start to notice pain. I have considered changing shoes but a) these shoes are relatively cheap and b) my feet can always "feel" these shoes and I'm used to them. A different shoe feels, well, different. Has anyone ever switched and got more mileage? So that got me wondering...obviously the main reason to buy a shoe is it feels good but a close second (for me at least) is getting the most bang for my buck. Are there any other reasons for switching?
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      The only other reason that comes to mind for switching is due to real changes in surface. For example, if you were changing over to trail running, you might want a specific trail shoe instead of a regular running shoe. 300 miles sounds about average for mileage on a shoe from what I've read on here.

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        Of the different shoes I've tried, they all tend to give up the ghost around the same amount of miles. That's usually around 450 to 550 miles for basically any regular running trainer. The Mizuno Wave Riders are part of my rotation, and I usually get about 500 miles on them before they start to feel beat up. But that's just me, other people get more or less miles. I usually rotate 2 main trainers, currently the Wave Riders and the Nike Air Pegasus. About halfway thru one pair's lifespan, I started the alternate pair (this is years ago). At 250 miles, I started running the other pair every other day. That way it's easier to tell when the older pair has given up the ghost -- when the younger pair feels much better than the older pair, then it's time to retire the old pair and start up a new pair. But I don't think it extended the shoes by much, just that it's easier to tell when they are worn out. You could try a different shoe just for the heck of it, because you just never know until you try. There's no surefire way to tell ahead of time if a shoe will last any longer -- you just gotta test to destruction! Smile
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          Yes... because I thought 275 miles for a pair of shoes wasn't good enough... but I have since decided the extra bit of cost is worth it... and my feet thank me! I like the rider... but the ones I am running in now seam like they are breaking down pretty quickly... I will be suprised if they make it to 250... Personally I gave up on finding a new shoe for a bit... and ordered a couple more pairs from another outlet that still had my discontinued model (pearl izumi syncropace II )... so I have 3 more pair.. before I have to start looking again... and I will probably just take a leap of faith and get the latest model of the shoe I have been wearing...


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            I am in brooks and they get less miles than other shoes, but my feet are happy. I've had to totally switch brands and models each time I had a baby, my feet never went back to what they were, I've gone from high arch to mid arch.

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              I am in brooks and they get less miles than other shoes, but my feet are happy.
              Interesting!!!! I use Brooks Beasts because they fit the best and get the best mileage for me. I guess it's all about how you run and where you run. I have used and liked Mizunos and New Balance. I really want to run in Asics, but they always hurt my feet. I recently tried changing from my motion control Beasts to stability Adrenalins(?). I thought a lighter, more flexible shoe might give a speed boost. I ran one 12 mile run and put them on the shelf. I got runners knee after that one run. I never had it before. Now I have to find a way to rid myself of that evil. Coincedence? Maybe, but I'm not taking any more chances. I guess I'm stuck with the big, old , heavy, stiff Beasts.
                I usually rotate 2 main trainers, currently the Wave Riders and the Nike Air Pegasus.
                Maybe this is a stupid question but why rotate two completely different shoes? I can understand rotating two of the same shoe or a training vs race shoes or even a different surface shoe but what was your reason for going between these two?
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                  Running is NOT a cheap sport. You have to spend money on shoes to keep your body from becoming injured. Once you figure out what shoe works for you, then you can seek out sources to buy them cheaper, but you have to decide that if you are going to run, it's at least $100.00 for shoes, and you can't take short cuts. As far as different shoes goes, for some folks, it's a long process of finding the perfect shoe. believe me. As you form improves, sometimes your needs in shoes changes. As Ennay said, she started out in one style of shoe for higher arches, and has now moved into a different style. It's just another part of the journey.

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                    Maybe this is a stupid question but why rotate two completely different shoes? I can understand rotating two of the same shoe or a training vs race shoes or even a different surface shoe but what was your reason for going between these two?
                    The theory is that two different models of shoes--whether they are similar levels of support from the same company or different company--helps to not always put the exact same stress on muscles, bones, and joints...kinda works some muscles a bit differently one day and letting other muscles rest. In theory I think it's a good idea. In practice it doesn't always work. I'm one of those people that seems to find that there is only one perfect shoe in terms of fit and support. Every time I try something else I am dissatisfied and go back to my primary shoe. For a person with a relatively easy to fit foot it's probably a really good idea, though. I have changed shoe models since I first started running...I've gradually gone from high stability to low stability. I really need a moderate stability shoe, but my foot prefers the more flexible forefoot of a lightweight stability trainer, so I'm finding that adding an orthotic insole gives me the perfect combination. Generally I have been able to stick with a specific model for 6-12 months (been running about 2.5 years). One thing I have heard regarding Mizunos is that they seem to break down faster than other shoes. I've heard this from several people, so there must be some grain of truth to this. Perhaps trying a different brand in a comparable style will get you more miles...BUT I'm also of the mind that "if it ain't broke..." My favorite shoes are only good for me for 250-300 miles (most lightweight shoes aren't reknowned for their longevity). I got 330+ out of my first pair, but in hindsight realize that I should have retired them earlier. My current knee issues started not long after retiring that pair and I often wonder if they were a contributing factor.

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                    Barefoot and happy

                      I know how you can save money on shoes. Evil grin Learn not to depend on heavily padded shoes. It's all a question of form and proper training. I used to need new shoes every 400 miles like clockwork, because I would start to get aches and pains, especially in the knees. Now I do half my running barefoot, and the other half in unpadded Vibram FiveFingers. And those aches have never come back. The barefoot miles are obviously free. The FiveFingers ($80) have lasted 800 miles so far, and are just as comfortable as when they were new. I have no idea how many miles I can put on them, but it's going to be an awful lot, because there's no cushion to lose and the sole itself is holding up very well. I have run comfortably in flip flops, trashy old sneakers, water shoes, and neoprene dive booties. Heavy shoes with elevated heels (like most running shoes) annoy me, though I can run ok in those too. People need overprotective shoes simply because they've always had overprotective shoes. Edited to add: I just checked, my cheapest per miles shoes (not count the $0 ones I was born wearing), were some water shoes from Sports Authority. $8 got me over 300 miles.
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                        The theory is that two different models of shoes--whether they are similar levels of support from the same company or different company--helps to not always put the exact same stress on muscles, bones, and joints...kinda works some muscles a bit differently one day and letting other muscles rest. In theory I think it's a good idea.
                        That actually makes sense. I think I'm due for another fitting/consultation so we'll see how that goes. I did a consultation when I bought my first pair of shoes at a reputable store and wasn't all that impressed with it. On my third pair of shoes I went to a different store and brought in my previous two pair of shoes and asked for some help making sure I had the right shoes and the guy was even less helpful. These are dedicated running stores and I expected more (maybe wrongly so) than 4 strides and the obligatory, "how do those feel?" I'm going to try a different store this weekend.
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                          In high school, I used Saucony. Then I got to college and realized that I couldn't run 100 miles a week with such heavy shoes, so I switch to Asics 2040s. When I got out of school, I mixed the 2040 (now 2090s and newer obviously) up with DS Trainers. Then I bought some Wave Riders for variety, but I couldn't run further than 4 miles at a time without them being uncomfortable so they didn't last long and became weight lifting shoes. Then I joined a team w/a Nike sponsorship and could get my shoes for $40 or so, so I started mixing in Motos and Elites. Then I started getting free Mizuno shoes, so I started training in wave precisions. Throughout all this time, I rarely paid retail on any of those shoes, usually getting between 20-50% off (when I had to pay for them.) Just gotta know where to look for deals. I also have some Inov8, North Face and Vibram shoes that I randomly picked up along the way. The North Face I got for $30 on clearance at their outlet, but I paid retail (minus 15%) for the other two pairs. I got a free pair of New Balance 1062s this summer, but I don't like them so I don't wear them. Other than those, I rotate pretty freely between the shoes (w/the Inov8 and North Face being used for trails and the others for roads, vibrams switching back and forth.) I rarely use Asics anymore since I can't find them as cheaply and don't need them, but now that my free Mizunos have run out I might start looking for some deals on them again. Otherwise it's back to Nike w/the next team order. I like having different styles to rotate between so that my legs have less repetitive use types of stresses, although I make sure that all of the shoes fit my running style and my body appropriately in order to avoid getting injured. Hence, no more running in the New Balance (too cushiony for me.)
                          Running is NOT a cheap sport. You have to spend money on shoes to keep your body from becoming injured. Once you figure out what shoe works for you, then you can seek out sources to buy them cheaper, but you have to decide that if you are going to run, it's at least $100.00 for shoes, and you can't take short cuts.
                          How is that not cheap? An average runner probably goes through 2 or 3 pairs of shoes per year max, and a high mileage runner probably not more than 6 to 8 pairs of shoes. An average runner probably runs 6 to 10 races per year, so add a couple hundred dollars on for that. So you are looking at running costing somebody that competes between $300 and $1000 per year assuming that they pay full retail on their shoes. Golf can cost that just in greens fees, not to mention clubs and balls. Football requires a lot of equipment, renting a field, and a dozen other folk committed to playing with you. Hockey, same story. Good hockey skates are going to cost $200-$300, sharpening them is another couple hundred a year, sticks/pucks/pads add up, and if you want ice time year round you are looking at almost as much money as greens fees. Your shoes might last longer in those sports on a calendar basis, but if you want to be good at them you are going to probably be doing some running on the side anyway. Looking at my retired shoe list, I average 5 to 10 cents per mile for those shoes (assuming that we ignore the ones I've been getting for free for the past year.) That's about the same as I'm getting with my new car, which gets 45 miles per gallon, and is cheaper than I was getting with my old truck or the buick I drove last winter.

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                            Now I do half my running barefoot, and the other half in unpadded Vibram FiveFingers. And those aches have never come back.
                            I'm intrigued and kinda amazed by this. I've heard of the concept of running barefoot before but it really seems counter-intuitive to me. Couple questions... Do you roll from the heel or land on the ball of your foot? I run short intervals/hills on the ball of my foot but I roll on my slow runs. That might be "wrong" but it seems like I would have to start over again to make that drastic of a change. What surfaces are you running on? How do you begin to make a transition to running barefoot? What are the secrets to doing so successfully?
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                            rectumdamnnearkilledem

                              That actually makes sense. I think I'm due for another fitting/consultation so we'll see how that goes. I did a consultation when I bought my first pair of shoes at a reputable store and wasn't all that impressed with it. On my third pair of shoes I went to a different store and brought in my previous two pair of shoes and asked for some help making sure I had the right shoes and the guy was even less helpful. These are dedicated running stores and I expected more (maybe wrongly so) than 4 strides and the obligatory, "how do those feel?" I'm going to try a different store this weekend.
                              My last couple of trips to a very reputable running store an hour away have left me feeling this way, too. A year ago when I went the guy was very thorough...looked at my feet, watched me walk, had me run on the treadmill (even though the shoe ultimately didn't work well for me, it wasn't because the sales guy didn't do his best to get me in an appropriate shoe). The last 2 times I went in they seemed to want more to move whatever shoes they had too many of in stock, rather than put me in the right shoe (they kept bringing me medium width shoes, even though I have some seriously wide feet--the Brannock device puts me in extra wide if I am measured late in the day). With the price of gas now I think I'd done with that game. I'm having more luck doing the shoe research on my own, asking others with similar issues for recommendations, then ordering from sites with free shipping and free returns. My most recent injury solution has come mostly from my own trial-and-error and ending up with orthotic insoles in my existing shoes, instead of a new shoe. The sales people at the running store never even suggested orthotics.

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                                The barefoot miles are obviously free. The FiveFingers ($80) have lasted 800 miles so far, and are just as comfortable as when they were new. I have no idea how many miles I can put on them, but it's going to be an awful lot, because there's no cushion to lose and the sole itself is holding up very well.
                                Nice! I hope I get that out of mine. A friend of mine that uses vibrams usually only gets 200-300 miles out of his, since the seams start to come out and his toenails cut through the toes in the shoes. He does most of his running on trails, though, with lots of roots, rocks, mud and puddles.

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