2024 Advanced Training and Racing Thread (still competitive jerks) (Read 277 times)

wcrunner2


Are we there, yet?

    Mulberries are the greatest of all berries. Fight me!

     

    Gooseberries, Cloud Berries, and Partridge Berries!

     2024 Races:

          03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

          05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09
          06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour, 35.82 miles
          10/12 - Hainesport 12-Hour

     

     

         

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      JMac11


      RIP Milkman

        You get a 100 percent age grading score for reading comprehension. A+.

         

        Mick - I'll confess I laughed out loud at Jmac's comment, quite a bit of Schadenfreude was involved in my reaction 😂

        Here's how I understood his argument. Today's world record for age group 50-55 is 2h19 By Titus Mamabolo.

        If the age grading % is computed based on the best runner in that category, then Mikkey's age grade % is computed based on 2h19.

        If Haile Gebrselassie decided to come out of retirement and he ran a 2h13 marathon, wouldn't that lower Mikkey's age graded %? In fact it might make him a (HUGE GASP) 70%er.

        We probably can agree that Haile is the better runner when compared to Titus.

        It's my understanding that Jmac's argument is that on the lower age groups this situation is a lot more rare/unlikely to happen.

         

        Cal - You need to talk at least a bit about your training in order to be eligible to being a jerk here 😁

        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

         

         

        JMac11


        RIP Milkman

          I had a mulberry tree at my old place. It stained everything. For that reason, I hate it.

           

          Mulberries are the greatest of all berries. Fight me!

          5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

           

           

          JMac11


          RIP Milkman

            Averages in the tail? I didn't mention that, this has nothing to do with averages in the tail as AG is a based upon a single point within the tail .

             

            Your age graded reading skills are deteriorating. I'd recommend getting back into training. I'd start light with some children's books, if you jump right into college reading you may get injured. I'd also recommend frequent rest breaks. As you get more up to speed, you can read multiple children's books in a row. Then, we will sprinkle in the hard stuff. But don't rush the process. Total words read is much more important than words per minute at this point. We'll get to WPM training down the road.

             

             

            At first you attacked old folks for their lack of math, then for being slow, now its reading comprehension. You were probably a bully in school, trying to desperately find a leverage to use on your opponents. Ageism at its best.

             

            Going back to your mathematical argument,which in my opinion is wrong: the record holder is a single point, not the average in the tail (which makes me believe you are involved in options pricing, or insurance costing, where these concepts are frequently used).

             

            Population of runners is not to be misunderstood with world population. I think we should move on from this, there is no point. Have fund calculating tail averages.

            5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

             

             

              I had a mulberry tree at my old place. It stained everything. For that reason, I hate it.

               

               

              I call BS on this. Now you’re just making facts up. Mulberries grow on bushes. Bushes that you go around on a cold annd frosty morning.  Unless my whole childhood was a lie…??

              50+ age-group PBs:  Half Perish 1:24:24 (June '23 Road Race) - 10km 37:52 (2022 Local Road Champs) - Track 5km 18:49 (Aug '22) - Perish Run 3:17:42

              2024 Goals: Road/Track 10km Sub 38:00 - 5km Sub 18:30

               

               

              JoshWolf


              Part of TLC

                 

                 

                Going back to your mathematical argument,which in my opinion is wrong: the record holder is a single point, not the average in the tail (which makes me believe you are involved in options pricing, or insurance costing, where these concepts are frequently used).

                 

                 

                It hurts this reading and running impaired old man to write the following  - I think JMac is right here. Of course it's not about the average in the tail, but that's not what he is stating anyway. I think his point is that at a younger age a greater percentage of a given age cohort is running competitively in comparison to older people, thereby increasing the probability that talented, potentially outstanding runners are in fact running and thereby increasing the probability that a world record is as close as possible to what humans can run under perfect conditions. The older people are getting the more this probability is shrinking - notwithstandig runners like Fokke Kramer, the 85-year-old who obliterated the 10.000m world record last year with 50:08;83, bettering legendary Ed Whitlock's 51:07;53 by almost one minute.

                 

                Before the discussion dies down let me point to one thing that should've been mentioned: runners who don't race to win races outright and earn their living doing so often put a lot more energy into training and racing during the first one, two or at most three years of an age group and then try to recover, only to come back with a vengeance at the beginning of a new age group. That has to have an effect on age-grading because the single age records in the last two or three years of an AG are probably softer than the others. Flavio is right - if I remember correctly - that the point of reference is the world record. When a world record is lowered so is the age-grading of a certain time over that specific distance. That's the reason for having older ("softer") and newer ("harder") age-grading tables.

                 

                Happy running!

                Don't hurry - next AG will start 2026

                wcrunner2


                Are we there, yet?

                   

                   

                   

                  Before the discussion dies down let me point to one thing that should've been mentioned: runners who don't race to win races outright and earn their living doing so often put a lot more energy into training and racing during the first one, two or at most three years of an age group and then try to recover, only to come back with a vengeance at the beginning of a new age group. That has to have an effect on age-grading because the single age records in the last two or three years of an AG are probably softer than the others. Flavio is right - if I remember correctly - that the point of reference is the world record. When a world record is lowered so is the age-grading of a certain time over that specific distance. That's the reason for having older ("softer") and newer ("harder") age-grading tables.

                   

                  Happy running!

                   

                  See my post above. The AG std is computed based on the open std using the AG factor.

                   2024 Races:

                        03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

                        05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09
                        06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour, 35.82 miles
                        10/12 - Hainesport 12-Hour

                   

                   

                       

                    Averages in the tail? I didn't mention that, this has nothing to do with averages in the tail as AG is a based upon a single point within the tail .

                     

                    Your age graded reading skills are deteriorating. I'd recommend getting back into training. I'd start light with some children's books, if you jump right into college reading you may get injured. I'd also recommend frequent rest breaks. As you get more up to speed, you can read multiple children's books in a row. Then, we will sprinkle in the hard stuff. But don't rush the process. Total words read is much more important than words per minute at this point. We'll get to WPM training down the road.

                     

                    Because you just attack me as a person now, I think you are stuck in insurance and never made it to the fun side of finance. Must feel bitter. Foot is broken and career sucks. I am sorry mate.

                     

                    I think I understand what you wanted to say as WC and Mark pointed out. My bad - I should have stayed out of it until someone else had pointed it out. Anyways leaving this thread now as I got what I wanted originally (advice on long runs). Cheers!

                    HM: 1:47 (9/20) I FM: 3:53:11 (9/23)

                     

                    2024 Goals: run a FM & HM + stay healthy!

                    Marky_Mark_17


                      Pretty decent week in the bag. Tuesday's workout was a bit of a bust as I was not quite rid of the cold that I caught last week, but had a good track session with 10 x 800 on Saturday, even in very wet conditions it felt pretty good.  Legs were a bit tired for my long run this morning (not helped by some serious wind out there), but next week will be a lighter week to allow for a bit of recovery.

                       

                      Weekly for period: From: 20/05/2024 To 26/05/2024

                      <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                      in m
                      20/05 That run with the joy of a crisp autumn morning 3.89 6.26 00:28:23 07:18 04:32 3
                      21/05 That run where I lost my work access card 10.00 16.09 01:04:40 06:28 04:01 26
                      22/05 That run where I’m almost rid of this cold, thankfully 11.26 18.12 01:16:36 06:48 04:14 21
                      23/05 That run with the graft up in Grafton 9.33 15.02 01:01:04 06:33 04:04 196
                      25/05 That run where we splashed out some 800s 8.71 14.01 00:51:07 05:52 03:39 6
                      26/05 That run with the battle with the wind that I’m glad I didn’t have at the track yesterday 14.31 23.02 01:41:33 07:06 04:25 234

                      Totals: Time: 06:23:23 - 🦅Imperial: 57.50 mi - Metric: 92.51 km

                      3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                      10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                      * Net downhill course

                      Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                      Up next: Still working on that...

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      SteveChCh


                      Hot Weather Complainer

                        Mick - Yikes, all you needed was a dig at his family to hit the jerk trifecta.

                         

                        Mark - Good week with the cold still lingering.  Recovery week sounds sensible with heavy legs.

                         

                        Prefontaine Classic - The main event did not disappoint.  Worth watching without knowing anything so if you haven't seen it, go find a replay (it's on TVNZ+ for the kiwis)

                         

                        me - "Taper" week although much bigger than usual as we continue to roll things along into the race.  Feeling pretty good heading into a race week, 12 months on.  Time to re-join the cult.  Let's goooo.

                         

                        Weekly for period: From: 20/05/2024 To 26/05/2024

                        <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
                        Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                        in m
                        20/05 Warm up 0.33 0.53 00:03:08 09:30 05:55 5
                        20/05 Easy hour 7.52 12.09 01:03:02 08:23 05:13 24
                        21/05 Warm up 0.33 0.54 00:03:05 09:21 05:43 1
                        21/05 Strides - 8 x 15 seconds 5.01 8.06 00:41:22 08:15 05:08 17
                        22/05 Warm up 0.33 0.54 00:03:07 09:27 05:46 1
                        22/05 6km @ threshold (3:55-4:00/km) 8.59 13.82 01:04:27 07:30 04:40 14
                        23/05 Recovery 6.28 10.11 01:00:04 09:34 05:56 20
                        24/05 Warm up 0.33 0.54 00:03:06 09:24 05:44 0
                        24/05 Freasy 5.81 9.34 00:48:28 08:21 05:11 20
                        25/05 Warm up 0.34 0.55 00:03:19 09:45 06:02 1
                        25/05 2 x 20 mins AeT 11.87 19.11 01:30:33 07:38 04:44 13
                        26/05 Warm up 0.34 0.54 00:03:06 09:07 05:44 0
                        26/05 Easy Sunday 8.99 14.46 01:18:23 08:43 05:25 27

                        Totals: Time: 07:45:10 - 🦅Imperial: 56.07 mi - Metric: 90.22 km

                        5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:29:54 6/24

                         

                        2024 Races:

                        Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                        Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                        Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024 DNF

                        Wellington Marathon June 23, 2024 3:29:54

                        Foster Park Run July 20, 2024 19:02

                        Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                        Timaru Ten October 26, 2024

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                            Fishyone


                              Hi Flavio and the rest of you jerks!!  I'm back from my month long trip to some other country where they don't have internet   LOL

                               

                              Looks like I have a BUNCH of catching up to do both on the main page and reading back through the posts.  Seems during my self-impsoed break from social media (I know this if not really social media) there's been some great (and not so great) banter and some familair faces are back in town (welcome back JMac)....seems my plan to lure folks back worked

                               

                              I decided to take some time away from training and just focus on mental and physical health.  Running 40 or so MPW and consistently strengh training.  I did have one race that I had planned with my 18 Y/O daughter.  I ran the Horseneck half with her last weeked.  It was her first half (and first race other than 5K fun runs).  She did amazing and she and her friend finished looking great.  No walking and about a 10:40 pace for the race.  She wouldn't let me race with her...she wanted me to race and said we'd both enjoy it more.  I finished in 1:23:32 for a new PR   I absolutely wasn't expecting or trying for anything close to this result and was shocked!!

                               

                              Sorry for ghosting the thread.  I'll make sure to write up a race report and post it.  I'll also go back and update the sheet and retroactively moderate the discussion (LOL).

                               

                              Mullberry trees SUCK! The berries are fine to eat but they fall on the ground and forment making everything stink and the wildlife eat it and get absolutely drunk,

                              5K 18:36 (2023), 10K 39:40 (2022), 1/2 1:24:37 (2023), full 2:58:36 (2015) 

                              ch17


                              It's Tuesday every day

                                 

                                 Mullberry trees SUCK! The berries are fine to eat but they fall on the ground and forment making everything stink and the wildlife eat it and get absolutely drunk,

                                 

                                Staggering stags. Could be poetic.