2020 Marathon Training and relevant COVID 19 discussion echo chamber (Read 674 times)

Marky_Mark_17


    Cal - I tried using Flavio's weekly tool, but for some reason it was only showing the first 4 days of the week for me.  The slower stuff was probably around 7:30-7:45/mile.  The faster stuff (track session and long run) probably more like 6:15/mile and 6:45/mile average respectively.  I run my track reps off the track measurements rather than my watch as my watch always overshoots distance on the track (by as much as 7-8%).

     

    Mikkey - no track marathons that I know of here other than the National 24-hour Champs (which are their own particular breed of madness).

     

    Darkwave - yeah, I find I need some variation (and a day off running each week) to stay fresh too.  I'm not really serious about doing some crazy lockdown challenge - but I might challenge myself to a longer long run in a week or two, probably doing laps of my favourite local spot (the Hobsonville Point Coastal Walkway) which I can slice either as 5km or 6.1km.

     

    I really like how in parts of the US (notwithstanding current issues), they'll close areas off to traffic at the weekends for runners, cyclists and pedestrians to enjoy - I recall in San Francisco they used to shut the roads in parts of Golden Gate Park each weekend.

     

    JTReeves - another very solid base week.  Thanks - yeah those long runs with tempo sections are really beneficial but they definitely smash my legs around like nothing else too!

     

    DPS - thanks, I'd be lying if I said those tempo sections in that LR were anything less than a struggle though!!

    5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

    HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

    Last race: Wairarapa Country Marathon, 11 Oct, 2:41:41 (PB)

    Up next: Mt. Maunganui Half Marathon, 28 Nov (I HOPE!)

    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

    darkwave


    Mother of Cats

      JTReeves - reminds me of the point you brought up last week and this week about watching stuff on the treadmill.  I've never been able to watch sporting events on the treadmill.  I just can't.  I get too into them, and the next thing I know I'm falling off the mill.....  So good for you for watching the crosscountry meets - I'll have to look that up for a non-treadmill time....

       

      Also, since you mentioned my Strava posts....for those of you not on Strava, I've been including screencaps of whatever I listened to during the treadmill run.  I figure that my normal outside runs include a map of where I went during the run.  And...when I'm on a treadmill, the music I listened to is effectively where I went during that run.

       

      Track marathons - I believe we have both indoor and outdoor track marathons around here.

      Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

       

      And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

      DavePNW


        The temptation to do something silly


        My week:

        Mon - 13.0

        Tue - 14.6

        Wed - 14.1

        Thu - 15.4

        Fri - 15.3

        Sat - 15.7

        Sun - 13.3

        Total = 101.3 miles

         

        Hitting 100 is NBD for some of you, but I’ve never gone more than 80. And even that was a one-time thing; typically my peak marathon training weeks are low 70s. I planned to make this an all-easy week, to take a break after my 5k time trial. And figured maybe based on that, juice up the miles a bit, to say, 80+. If you had asked me before this, I would have assured you I’d never, ever run a 100 mile week. I guess I got inspired by all the recent talk here about the training benefits of big weeks of all easy miles. Plus a guy in one of my user groups who did 100 last week, despite not having any higher mileage history than me (in fact less). I had no thought about 100 till a couple days into the week, then I figured I would give it a go and take it day to day. I was ready to pull the plug if any unusual pains started to crop up. I was fully expecting the last 2-3 days to be a brutal slog and feel like the final miles of a marathon.

         

        Turns out was actually not as awful as I expected. It was certainly a grind mentally, but my legs held up surprisingly well - I’m not feeling totally destroyed or anything. I know the conventional wisdom is to fill the week with doubles, but that just seemed like a lot of extra effort to me, and I was skeptical whether it would actually help much. I just went out for a 13-15 miler every day. I made sure to keep the pace a bit slower than my usual easy; I was able to maintain that pretty steady through each run and as the week progressed. 

        I will definitely back off next week, although not yet sure what is in store for the weeks ahead. IDK if there are training benefits to a single high-mileage week like this, but it gave me some confidence that I might be able to maintain more mileage than I previously thought. And if nothing else, just kind of a cool thing to have on my running resume.

        Dave

        CalBears


           DavePNW, I told you few weeks before this week - that "it is so funny" and you didn't believe me 

          Ha. My decision had nothing to do with what might pay off, but just what I’d rather be doing. I have a tougher time getting motivated by a ton of easy miles. Running fast is more fun than running slow.

          But here you are:

          My week:

          Mon - 13.0

          Tue - 14.6

          Wed - 14.1

          Thu - 15.4

          Fri - 15.3

          Sat - 15.7

          Sun - 13.3

          Total = 101.3 miles

           

           

          JTR - there is one thing about easy miles based on HR and, consequently, a time when your mileage is getting higher eventually - due to lower intensity of the runs. If, in the future, you get to a higher mileage and get "seduced" how easy you handle those miles - never ever start adding intensity to the higher mileage. Get used to the mileage first and then start adding intensity, do not do both at the same times - I was punished with injuries when I did that - at least twice and the injuries were just getting seemingly from nowhere - but, basically just from overuse.

           

          Will see how long the quarantine lasts and how long we will be in "no-races" environment - I am thinking about a marathon time trial maybe in June? Though I remember Patrick from RWOL ran sub 3 marathon length LRs every Sunday for probably 7 or 8 weeks in a row and then ran sub 2:40 in Berlin 2015 (he was 45yo, I think). Still cannot comprehend how he was able to do that - because just a couple of years before I was faster than him and he was already running a decent mileage back then.

          paces PRs - 5K - 5:55  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

          DavePNW


             DavePNW, I told you few weeks before this week - that "it is so funny" and you didn't believe me 

             

             

            Yeah of course I remember that conversation. It wasn’t a matter of not believing anything, it was just what I wanted to be doing at the time. Then this week I suddenly decided to completely change gears, because...who knows. Incidentally my track is now locked up as of earlier this week, so interval workouts (and time trials) will be more of a challenge. Maybe all the more reason to stick with the easy miles.

            Dave

            dpschumacher


            Making a comeback

              Very odd week.  Had to chop up some runs, and move stuff around because of life and weather.  Ran in shorts and no shirt Sat night and awoke to an inch of snow and 20 mph winds Sunday morning and 3 inches of snow by dinner.  Commented some already will read the rest of the weeks in the morning.  Hoping you are all doing well.

              M 6-Apr 9.01 1:08:54 Checked the box. Lunch Run.
                  4.01 0:29:56 box 2 checked. didn't do striders cause I got out late and needed to get J to bed. will do tomorrow
              T 7-Apr 11.16 1:21:17 67 degrees out. 6x100 striders. Got some sun and tried not to blind people with my pastey whiteness
              W 8-Apr 10.86 1:16:05 Track day! 6x 800m in 2:50-2:55 w/ 400m recovery (try for ~2min) w/ 3mi w/u & c/d to 10 for the day. 2:51, 2:52, 2:47, 2:52, 2:50, 2:51 Felt good....didn't really feel it at all til the last 2...those I needed to focus in a bit to not lag in the last 200m, then felt a little acid in the legs. On the whole a solid workout without having to dig hard. Feeling good about going faster that 5:35 on the mile segment Fri. Did some striders in the 3rd mile of warm up on the track on each of the straights.
              Th 9-Apr 11.68 1:24:18 Easy w/ 6x100m strides. Perfect run with full moon and perfect long sleeve shirt weather. Felt super smooth and not at all tired. recovered really nicely from yesterday. Through the striders 2x per mile in the last 3 miles.
              F 10-Apr 4.15 0:31:41 Ran Lake of the Isles. Back stiff, couldn't get warmed up....abandoned attempt at segment 4:45 am
                  9.14 1:04:38 Easy w/ 6x 100m strides feeling much better after some ibuprofen and stretching and rolling. striders in the last miles
              Sa 11-Apr 12.35 1:28:22 8:30 pm....4.78 (32:20) with collegeville segment (5:19 mile), 2.94 (22:03) 3rd loop of the isles saw someone looking in my car window so i triggered the alarm and chased them off, decided to finish run in my neighborhood, 4.63 (33:59) back in my neighborhood
              Su 12-Apr 16.29 1:51:51 12.27 including (2:45) hill climb (1:24:15) in very windy blizzard, 4.02 (27:36) after dinner

              2019 Goal: Run every day Goal: Get to 165 lbs Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

              2020 Goals:

              5k:16:30

              HM: 1:18:00

              Marathon: 2:45:00

              New 2020 Goal: Actually run a race, any race, just run a real legit race. **Eye Twitching**


              Elite Jogger

                Mark: Nice week; that long run was a killer, as was your birthday track session. Given your fitness I can see how you'd be thinking about a time trial or something more crazy. One of the runners I follow ran 50 km one day last week just for the heck of it.

                 

                 

                Marky - I’m following a NZ born guy on Strava who you may have heard of (Paul Martelletti) and he ran a 50k training run yesterday at 5:51 pace and earlier in the week he ran 16 with a 14:36 5k TT thrown in the middle, he’s a high mileage runner (500+ last month) and is incredible at all distances. He’s 40yo now and not showing any signs of slowing down!

                 

                Dave - Congrats on the mileage PB!  I personally think 100 miles at easy/recovery pace is physically easier than 70mpw with tempo/speed sessions and not surprised at how you felt.

                5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                CalBears


                   

                  I personally think 100 miles at easy/recovery pace is physically easier than 70mpw with tempo/speed sessions and not surprised at how you felt.

                   

                  No, not at 70... Maybe 85-90.

                  paces PRs - 5K - 5:55  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile


                  Elite Jogger

                     

                    No, not at 70... Maybe 85-90.

                     

                    70.

                    5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                    CalBears


                      paces PRs - 5K - 5:55  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile


                      Elite Jogger

                        5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

                        CalBears


                           

                          75 max.

                           

                          Run 100+ miles for more than 4 weeks in a row - then we will talk...

                          paces PRs - 5K - 5:55  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile

                          DavePNW


                             

                            Run 100+ miles for more than 4 weeks in a row 

                             

                            No.

                            Dave

                            dpschumacher


                            Making a comeback

                              Slingrunner- coming back with a back yard ultra. Nice.

                               

                              DW-impresive progression on Sunday.

                               

                              Cal- just going all in on mileage, huh?

                               

                              JT- going to have to look up those races now. Nice temp on Fri.

                               

                              Dave.- 100+ on singles. Wow.

                              2019 Goal: Run every day Goal: Get to 165 lbs Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                              2020 Goals:

                              5k:16:30

                              HM: 1:18:00

                              Marathon: 2:45:00

                              New 2020 Goal: Actually run a race, any race, just run a real legit race. **Eye Twitching**

                              CalBears


                                 

                                No.

                                 

                                I am just trying to say that running easy 100+ miles week after week is not as easy as Mikkey is trying to say. Running 70-75 mpw with workouts is not easy too but 100+ week after week will have an accumulated effect of fatigue much harder than 70-75 mpw with workouts week after week. At least that was my experience - so, it maybe an anecdotal evidence.

                                paces PRs - 5K - 5:55  /  10K - 6:05  /  HM - 6:14  /  FM - 6:26 per mile