2020 Marathon Training and relevant COVID 19 discussion echo chamber (Read 700 times)

 

So...like....make running fun again? Interesting.

I think he means.....make training fun again.

 

Boston - of course the weather this morning in Hopkinton right now is 47 and mostly cloudy. FML.

Funny. It's 57F with 69% humidity wth a 0-5 mph wind in Folsom right now. I guess Boston IS harder than CIM on the same day.

 I hear he is training for a 2:51 at CIM.

I do not need to run 2:51 to beat that New York marathon conqueror from GB and his 83.94% age graded result. All I need, after I am 55 in July, is to run a marathon faster than 2:53:56 (6:37 pace) to usurp my right place in history and get all jewels to my crown back (I already have a crown though - my PR is way way faster than Mikkey's - and do not forget - in my case it's the actual sub 2:50 !!!).

And then you’ll need to start 5k training and run a sub 18.  No point in registering for ultras if you can’t run a decent 5k time.😂

The point of registering for ultras is to run a qualifier to be able participate in Western States 100 miles lottery - that is a bucket list item - like it was sub 3 and then the Moose Mug. Sub 18 5K would be nice but if not, I won't lose my sleep because of it . But I promise you to try.

 Yeah but 20x100 mile weeks would be pretty cool....sub 2:40? 

While I was struggling and puffing this morning at 9:20 mpm pace, I thought it will be absolutely hilarious to accomplish 20x100 miles task and then "break" sub 3 after all those efforts. That will be so epic 

 I actually think there’s an outside chance that you could eventually go 6:15min/mile pace for a marathon (2:44?)...IF you keep the consistency up and don’t get injured. If that happens then a 5:45 paced 5k run would be ridiculously easy....even for you!

Our work yesterday informed us that even if shelter-in-place is cancelled and everybody free to go out, they don't see us coming to onsite at least until the end of June - because our job specifics allow us to work remotely without much of a problem. For me that means that running consistency mileage wise will be there for the next two months for sure. As for injuries, I hope to avoid them as I am not planning any workouts and I also have no problem to slow down to 11 mpm if I feel tired during a run. Though, I started thinking about adding 2 days per week of running at elevated HR - just like Hadd has those days in the sample program for his Joe runner. I don't know - maybe it's important. But it is still not workouts as no speed or LT heart rate is involved.

The problem is that my internal indicators show me that I am still nowhere near the level of fitness which I had when I set my marathon PR. I definitely made a good progress comparing to fall of 2019 but I could easily see solid few months of running just to get closer to the PR shape I was in 2015 - if it's possible at all.

Btw, when you mentioning 2:44, do you see it's possible for you? Or sub 2:50? And if not, does it mean you gave up? 

Definitely not 2:44 as my heel spur is giving me too much grief...I would need an op to ever be able to train more than 65/70mpw average in a cycle (and even that would need daily ibuprofen!). But sub 2:50 I think is still doable and definitely my goal for Boston if I ever get there.

 

Hadd training - I thought you were already following the plan...yes I would definitely do the 2 elevated workouts each week and forget about the 100 miles per week streak if you’re struggling. Don’t be a wounded hero!

Wow... Your current training situation is pretty tough as I see it. I could not imagine running with daily take of Ibuprofen - that would not be a pure running for me (though I already had an argument with DPS on Strava on the subject of Ibuprofen). Too bad nothing is opened at the moment - I would personally try to fix the heel issue once and for all. Though, consistent 70 mpw would work fine for you I think - but probably not to the level of sub 2:50.

Re "pure" Hadd training - you have an access to my runs and could probably see that I do almost all the runs at my recovery HR, none of them are at elevated level. I am not sure, but you probably right - my guess that, if I add two runs per week at an elevated HR (probably 155 bpm in my case), I have to cut some mileage off - probably to the level of 80-85. Right now I am "struggling" at some runs, but it is a "struggle" without a danger of getting injured - nothing like that - just some days feel more tired and beat up than other days. My expectation is that at some point, if I do not add any intensity, my body should adjust to the mileage. So, after all, I think I will hold off adding two runs for a few more weeks and see how it goes. Maybe after I do another Hadd test, after that I will add the elevated runs.

That what CIM organizers sent today in an email (the race date is Dec 6, 2020):

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"Worry Free" Registration - COVID-19 Response

In response to the current uncertainty surrounding the staging of large community events because of COVID-19 public health crises, we are instituting a “worry free” registration policy for 2020 CIM marathon registrations. If the 2020 CIM is unable to be conducted for any reason related to the COVD-19 public health crisis, all 2020 CIM registrants will receive a one-time voucher that will allow them to register for free for any one future CIM through 2023.

Details:

• If 2020 CIM is unable to be conducted in any form, all registrants will receive a voucher that they will be able to redeem for a free entry into one future CIM marathon through the year 2023
• The event’s “no refunds/no transfers” policy will still be in effect, as we are still unable to offer any refunds or transfer your registration for any reason
• The voucher will be assigned to the registered participant and can only be redeemed by that participant, it cannot be transferred to another person

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