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Hi everybody. Thanks for all the welcomes and advice. Seems like a very informed/experienced bunch on here.
Re: Kiwis. Dunno, for me it was a google search on "running advice forums" this one looked the best so here I am
It could also be due to the upswing in exercise during the lockdown.
Things are going well here with the virus and I'm hopeful the Wellington marathon will go ahead on 5th July or delayed a bit like you said Mark. To tell the truth I wouldn't mind if it was delayed until late August as I will turn 50 and be in the masters 50's which should improve my stats.
Thanks again for the advice and I've logged some past runs if anyone would like to checkout if a sub 4hr is realistic for me. 8 wks of the plan left. I will get in a 10k time trail shortly as advised.
Cheers
Mmmm Bop
Hi, thanks for the good advice. I've been drinking a sports drink on my last few long runs and its going down pretty good. I'll experiment with some gels when I can buy them next week. also I've logged my recent runs and made them public. Cheers
Hi, thanks for the good advice. I've been drinking a sports drink on my last few long runs and its going down pretty good. I'll experiment with some gels when I can buy them next week.
also I've logged my recent runs and made them public. Cheers
Check out the Maurten gels/drink. 👍
5k - 17:53 (4/19) 10k - 37:53 (11/18) Half - 1:23:18 (4/19) Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)
Magrawlas- second Mikkey's recommendation on the Maurten gels - incredible product and plenty of others on here have found them very effective and very easy on the stomach. fuelme.co.nz stocks them. I think if we are at Level 1 by early June then the Wellington Marathon would go ahead, there's not much else on the running calendar in July or August so they could easily push it back by a few weeks.
Me - My week was an all time record for weekly mileage for me (by around 200 metres haha). The Wed and Fri workouts were fun, although I did find my legs were pretty slow (but surprisingly strong) for Sunday's long run. I'm still accumulating quite a lot of elevation when I run from home, but my new goal marathon in late Sept has a hilly section in the middle, so I'm sure that'll pay off at some point even though I really miss flat, steady pace running at the moment.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48
Up next: Runway5, 4 May
"CONSISTENCY IS KING"
3 months til Masters
Mark what were the two workouts?
2023 Goals
Marathon Sub 2:37 (CIM) 2:41:18
10k Sub 35:00 (Victory 10k 34:19)
5k Sub 16:00 (Hot Dash 5k in March (16:48), Brian Kraft in May (16:20), Twilight 5000 in July and August (16:20/16:25 Both heat index 102-103F)
Sub 1:16 Half Marathon City of Lakes Half Marathon 1:15:47)
Sub 56:30 in 10 mile (Twin Cities 10 mile, Canceled due to weather, 56:35 as a workout)
2024 Goals
Sub 2:37 Marathon
Sub 1:15 Half
Sub 34 10k
Sub 16 5k
Marky - congrats on the record week , it will definitely pay when you run that fast marathon. Though, remember - you always have an option to DNF to save you for future battles .
Magrawlas - it's impossible to say much about your future results based only on training. You need to have recent race results and, secondary, we need to know your average weekly mileage for the longer the better period of time.
maurten - that stuff more than twice expensive than my favorite Powerbar Powergel C2MAX - very tasty, very easy to consume even without water gels - um, yammy...
My week was awesome right until Saturday, when I switched from "let's dream big" mode back to "are you sure?" one. Saturday's and Sunday's runs were familiar struggle again - I even have to cut planned run on Sunday short. Nevertheless, mileage wise everything is pretty good:
Mon - 12.5 @8:27
Tue - 12.5 @7:30 (10 @150 bpm @7:15) am / 8.2 @8:29 pm
Wed - 12.5 @8:21 am / 8.2 @8:54 pm
Thu - 12.5 @8:29
Fri - 12.5 @7:32 (10 @150bpm @7:15) am / 8.2 @8:54 pm
Sat - 12.5 @8:55 am / 8.2 @9:01 pm
Sun - 8.2 @9:15
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Total: 116.3 miles
paces PRs - 5K - 5:48 / 10K - 6:05 / HM - 6:14 / FM - 6:26 per mile
Very solid running Dave.
Cal- Is the running of almost the same route daily a function of the places open to run, or just a preference?
My week. Felt great all week. Everything felt effort less until the Saturday long run. I hit the first 10 faster than I really should have, but ran the workout in the last 8 ahead of what I intended....I had my watch alerts turned off, so it was all by feel. I just say what the time was at the end of each mile, but no info in between. Starting to ramp up mileage some more....92.3 miles on the week
Mother of Cats
Marky_Mark - I agree about the hilly runs being beneficial. I like to have a mix of hilly runs and flat, as I think there's a benefit from flat runs as well. Hilly runs force you to shift among different muscle groups, and to hold a steady effort on varying terrain; flat runs force you to use the same muscle group for an extended period of time, and also are good for building focus and rhythm.
Calbears - still massive mileage (understatement)
DPS - really great week.
My week:
65 miles, 10 miles of walkingM: Upperbody weights, core, and 5 mile walkT: 12.5 miles, including an alternating workout of 2 short hill repeats (70 seconds at incline of 4.5), 10 minutes at tempo (6:26 pace), 2 short hill repeats, 10 minutes at tempo (6:21 pace), 2 short hill repeats. 2:30 jog after each hill or tempo segment. Followed with leg strengthwork. W: 7 miles easy on treadmill (8:47), live streaming yoga, and 7 miles easy on treadmill (8:43). Then did drills and 2 strides outsideTh: Upper body weights/core and 5 mile walk.F: 12.5 miles on the treadmill, including a "hill workout" of 8 sets of:2:00 strong effort at 3.0 incline/ 1:30 easy effort at 0.5 incline/0:30 fast effort at 0.5/1:00 easy effort at 0.5 incline. Followed with leg strengthwork and streaming yoga.Sa: 10.5 miles very easy outside (8:58) plus drills and strides, live streaming yoga, and upper body weights/core.Su: 15.5 miles including 14 progressive, split as the first 4 miles averaging 9:06 pace, the next 4 averaging 7:38, the next 6 averaging 6:44, and then a 1.5 mile cooldown. Followed with some leg strengthwork and live streaming yoga.
Close to the same as last week. I feel like my fitness is building nicely; at the same time, I'm nowhere near peaking or race-fit - this is perfect.
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Dw if this isn't getting you race fit, you are going to have one insane level of base coming out of this for some race specific training.
Glad to see some folks keeping this thread alive right now. Can't believe it has been 8-9 weeks already of no "official" racing for pretty much everyone. Happy to see folks training and keeping sane though.
Cal: Wow what a week in volume! I did 105 a few weeks back on boy was that enough.
DW: As always a solid overall week. Agree with your assessment of hilly runs. Have been doing that, at an EZ pace, for about 5-6 weeks straight on our local hill loop here.
DPS: Great looking week!
Mark: congrats on the big week! Hope you will get to race the soonest out of all of us.
Magrawlas: Weclome!!
Rovatti: Hope things are continuing to improve over there!
I've been running pretty consistently with volume anywhere from the high 70's to low 90's over the past 2-3 weeks with nothing crazy in terms of workouts with the exception of the occasional tempo (longest I believe was 4 at T) and the rare speed day of mostly some 200-400's. Two weeks ago ended up running a marathon for fun with mostly EZ milage and then added some faster miles towards the end. Also of note ran a 1 mile road (tracks are closed) TT on Saturday clocking in at 4:48 after going 1:09 for the first 400m at 1:09 (4:36 pace) then slowing down to 1:13 for the next 2 400m laps and then struggling to a 1:12 for the last 400m. Was hoping for something in the low to mid 4:4x range so not horrible, but ideally with better pacing I would be pretty close. Plus it was pretty humid but don't think that impacts the mile all that much. First time for me ever running that short distance so it was mentally tough to get right, especially mid-way and it was pretty hard doing it solo. Still I'll take it for the time being as it was officially my first sub 5 effort That being said I've set my 1 mile, 5K, and 10K PBs all during the whole COVID pandemic so go figure LOL
1mile: 4:46 (12/20) | 5K: 15:57 (3/21) | 10K: 33:40 (4/20) | 15K 51:43 (4/21) | HM: 1:15:03 (12/20) | FM: 2:40:30 (1/20)
Thanks. I've done this sort of training before, as my "pre-cycle" training. And I've attempted to race off of it. (in fact, that's my norm - do this training, then start racing to bust the rust, and then start more focused training.)
I can tell you from previous experience that if I hopped into a race right now off of this training, I'd be good for slightly under 6 minutes for the mile, and around 19:30-19:20 for the 5K. So not awful, but not close to my PRs either, and not what you would expect from seeing the paces I'm hitting right now.
This kind of training gets me really strong and durable, and touches enough on different things to keep me reasonably fit, but I'm not race sharp at all. To race well at the 5K to half distance, I'd need to swap to a more traditional structure of VO2 Max type stuff on Tuesdays (800s and 1200s) and 4-5 mile tempos on Friday (I'd add in some 200s and 400s if I'd be racing miles). To race well at the half/full distance, I'd need to swap in longer long runs and more LT stuff like 4-5 mile tempos and 3x2 miles or 2x3 miles at 10M-half-marathon effort.
I'm honestly playing it by ear right now. If it looks like there's a chance of getting some racing in this fall (even smaller stuff) then at some point I'll take a down week and then hop into more traditional training. If it looks like no racing until next year, then at some point I'll shift to 3 weeks of VO2 Max on Tuesday/tempos on Friday to add some periodization, followed by a down week and then back to what I'm doing (the idea would be to complete a training cycle and hopefully boost myself up a ladder rung, performance-wise).
Weather - congrats on the sub-5. FWIW, I think humidity has some small effect on a mile, though far less than in a 5K. Of course, I only notice its effects in the last 400 of a mile, and since I race the mile about 30 seconds slower than you do, it is likely that I would note the effect more than you.
Just for you Mikkey
M: 6 mi (8:45) T: 10.25 mi (8:03) W: 8.75 mi (8:07) T: 10 mi (8:05) F: 7.1 mi (8:18) S: 17 mi (7:49) *84 deg by end of run S: 5.5 mi in AM (8:44) // 5.5 mi in PM (8:38)Wasn’t ready for that kind of temp on Saturday. I’ve been running in the 50s to around 60. And the water fountains were turned off everywhere so it turned into a bit of a struggle at the end but I kept it together some.
I guess I don't have to make the decision whether or not to do Berlin!
Magrawlas - welcome! I turn 50 next month and was hoping to run a race on my birthday but I can't ever seem to plan on anything Cheers!
No real surprise there and hopefully your entry is good for 2021 or full refund. 👍
Well Boris has given the green light to have unlimited amounts of exercise each day (has he ever taken a look at the average Brit???) Public sunbathing and travel as far as you like is also ok....which means Brighton beach will now be packed with Londoners down for a jolly.
Nice Weather. Getting some real turn over.
Cinnamon- 17 in the 80's that is rough. Way to get through that.
Mikkey - I'll take 2021 👍
DPS - Thanks.You'll be doing it soon enough! Water fountains aren't going to be turned on for quite some time I'm assuming - which sucks because I don't carry. I had a ginger soda and two beers (Rodenbach, Belgium) afterwards and still didn't need to go for 8+ hr
Hello everyone. New to the forums, but have been logging my training on Running Ahead for a while. I'm John, 27, live just outside of DC in Arlington, VA. I started running almost two years ago with no previous running experience. I have run three marathons since, with the most recent being the Myrtle Beach Marathon this March in 3:36.
Currently, I am just base training and hoping to run the Rehoboth Beach Seashore Marathon in December. We'll see if that actually happens.