2020 Marathon Training and relevant COVID 19 discussion echo chamber (Read 700 times)

Don't get me wrong either - I totally get where you're coming from Slammin. The A-hole part of me is glad someone finally called him out on his shit after all these years. I had blocked him on RWOL as well - not necessarily for his opinion on me (he personally attacked me after I called his training idiotic) I don't care but because his posts were of stupid training, ego-focused, and belittling of others undeserving. And now he bullied Swim off the boards apparently. Which makes me sad. Swim - come back! As far as Mikkey - I don't understand at all. I wasn't expecting. And umm... curly lady man? Misogyny anyone?

Communication on the internet can be miscommunicated  Just like I said the Boston jacket is pretentious. Not a personal attack.

As far as Berlin - yes it can now be on.  But I'm struggling between Berlin and Valencia. ?? My daughter says Berlin. I love Spain and I skipped Barcelona due to starting new job + virus in Jan. Part of me is concerned with the size of Berlin field and not be able to just run my own race. Running around 3 hr pace could be congested the whole time? But one must do Berlin at some point.

I thought my 2ks sucked. Ha. But it's the first time in nearly a generation that I've attempted two quality workouts in one week so I'll cut myself some slack. Effort was probably 10k.

Fishyone - 10 weeks out? I would do a bunch of 400s for fun. If you do them fast and give yourself full recoveries I think it's a fun workout. Or early on in a cycle I also like straights and curves at the track more unstructured and helpful to not be concerned about pace. If you don't like track then 10 x 1 min? Get those legs moving! 

Ok, ok, ok...

This is getting seriously ridiculous.

But I am glad that finally these two found themselves and finally they can exert anything they want as a  couple and continue their stream of lies and delusional garbage - one of them is a liar and anybody who was a part of RWOL group on Facebook knows about that man just enough to have an opinion about his moral values. And what a bunch of crap he just wrote - he OFFERED ME TO PAY FOR MY BOSTON TRIP???? Man... You are seriously delusional... I cannot even call you a liar because it is beyond that... Plus, anybody knows that kind of offer is a pretty safe bet as any decent person would never take on that kind of offer...

As for 'cinnamon girl' - I have no idea what this gal is talking about - I never had any interaction with her, ever. Never followed her and never had any interest in her as  a person or a runner. I was actually kind of surprised with the way she ignored me but now I at least know that she had her own reasons and theory on me. Not a problem. I have no recollection of her calling my training idiotic but even if that was the case, I probably had a response for it but not more than this, just a regular response, if that sounded offensive to her, she could respond because anybody who knows me personally knows I am very reasonable person though I know some people really do not like my directness and I guess do not care about who I am after that.

As for Swim, it is not bullying in any way - it's totally opposite, I like Swim a lot and all I wished for him to do great because I strongly believe he deserves it and he is one of the hardest working runners I have known. This is not the first time he disappears from forums (that happened at RWOL probably couple of times too) and I am not the first and not the only person who pointed out some things in his training, please cut the BS and don't make it sound like I am the only person who tried to talk to Swim about his training and results disconnect.

As I already mentioned, anybody who knows me knows I am totally normal person, not without shorcomings, I am also Russian which explains some kind of rudeness of my communication style but man... I should cut off that super-ego-runner-man long time ago, after I learned about him on Facebook's RWOL group... Well... Never too late.

Man this thread moves fast!

Dave - nice week.  The Mona is definitely a staple for many of the runners here, Nimmals is a huge fan.

JTReeves - nice job on the race, saw it on Strava and it looked like a fun course.  Agreed, the social elements are definitely fun.  I do most of my runs solo so it's fun to catch up with others at races.  Had a good post-race jog and chat with a couple of guys on Sunday.

DPS - be nice to JMac, we're trying to encourage him to keep running once his kid arrives!!

Cinnamon - welcome back.  Sucks on that virus but glad you're over it.  My boss at work has been battling a chest infection since December (!).

Cyberic - yeah I wish I could do run commutes.  Such a good way to get mileage in there.  For me it's a 12km drive to work over the Harbour Bridge but... the bridge is vehicles only so until they add in a planned walking and cycle path underneath the bridge, it's a 29km run.  To be honest I'll likely do it as a midweek long run during marathon training (but I'll be catching the ferry or the bus home!).

And yeah, I'd say just try on some other Nikes with a similar last to the Next% to get the sizing right.  Other folks on the thread here will know better than me whether something like the Pegasus or Zoom Fly might be a good comparator.

OMR - great RR and well done.  Some of those trail ultras are a level of crazy I can't even fathom.  There was an 85km ultra here in NZ on the weekend along the Old Ghost Road.  2,400m / 8,000ft of climbing too.

JMac - I posted over on the 1:30 thread, but great job on that tempo effort.  Very positive early in a cycle.

Kram - good luck with the ankle.  Smart to allow a rest day and chop the long run rather than just pushing through it.

Weather - good stuff and good luck with the race this weekend.  Coming off that FM PB you have good form too.  Re your workout after that 10k, I generally find recovery after a 10k fairly quick, maybe 2-3 days, so it was probably a bit tight but sounds like you made it work for you.

Thanks guys!  JMac: As for my Boston trip this year plan is similar to 2018 where I will probably pace my buddy again (he will be gunning for low 2:5x).  Right now I have no desire to race a full marathon or Boston for that matter at my true potential coming off the 2:40 last month.  Ask me again in a few weeks though Furthermore, I have already mentally committed and planing my California trip for CIM next December so that will likely be my next big 26.2  A goal race. I do wanna hopefully knock out a shorter 5K sometime in March or April this spring along the way as well.

 

Nimmals:  Huge week.  You've probably said this before, but do you do a lot of strengthening exercises in addition to the running, or is it all just the running?  Just curious because 14.5 hours is a lot of time to put in, and that's just the running portion!

 

OMR I do 30 mins of strength training twice a week. Congrats and that's quite a lengthy race & report. Loved knowing what was going through your mind in the hardest parts. I'm still never running that far.

MarkyMark - Congrats on a great 10k race. You were one of the first weeklies.  I meant to say congrats earlier.

Cinnamon - Thank you for sharing that, he admits as much something from Facebook RWOL had him holding a grudge on my moral values. So its not my ego in the end but some personal sense of justice? I really don't know. I cant block him here like on RWOL.

Weather nice week my man that Wednseday was epic. and i love the JMAC inspired 17 miler. I been sticking them into both my long runs and some of my Athletes.

Mikkey you suprised me completely too. I still hope we can be cool. I don't mind this quickly blowing over between us.

Cals  Post more on my limited moral values or at least your understanding of it.  You did do idiotic training, running 13 miles everyday for one stretch just stupid gimmicks for training. Maybe I called you out too? You prided yourself on every marathon race being a PR, you were the one with the huge ego about continuous PR streak, when that ended you became bitter & miserable.  Please call me out on my moral values you can do it on your Runners whirled handle, no one will know.

Since reading English is not your strong suit I've bolded the focal parts don't twist words then use language as an excuse it was a forum gesture not me alone it may actually have even been Stephens idea. I am sure swim Dan, Patrick  and many others can verify the offer was extended and you turned it down so don't say the offer wasn't extended. We the collective offered to help and I was a part of it.

And what a bunch of crap he just wrote - he  Several OFFERED ME TO PAY FOR MY BOSTON TRIP???? Man... You are seriously delusional... I cannot even call you a liar because it is beyond that... Plus, anybody knows that kind of offer is a pretty safe bet as any decent person would never take on that kind of offer...

 

" I initially had no issues with him, when he lost his job right before Boston one year, several of us on the old forum offered to pool up his hotel cost so he wouldn't have to skip the trip. I recalled he declined our assistance."

Nowhere does it say I alone it was a collective gesture that you declined but we all offered to split the cost.

If you're a reasonable person as you say message me and we can put this to bed but the continuous bullshit has gone on way too long. And its frankly distracting that's why I'm willing to leave. I'm about continuous improvement and that cant happen with us here bickering and chasing away people who genuinely want to get better on the combined threads.

I will even message you first and say it publicly if its about pride.

Brew:  I was thinking of the B.B.s dancing in this clip.  Isn't that you and max heading down the trail?

ME? yes. Him...not so much. I think it's the lowest I've ever seen him. The joy in his face when he saw me saying "If you weren't here I would have dropped" quickly dissipated as we left Forresthill and he embraced the rest of the journey. I think he understated the imporatance/joy/uplifting feeling PJ brought just for being out there three times on course cheering us on.

It is fun to think back to Tahoe 200 when I wasn't a trail runner and see Max still trying to make me a trail runner for some reason. I think his stubborness to accept my spirit lifting enthusiasm is only rivaled by my reluctance to run beyond marathon distance, and on trails.

Nimmals/Cal Jesus SHIT guys! Can you take your pissing match to face page or private chit chats? Do you really need a wall of text to say "hey, if you want to talk privately message me" or can you just send the message first?

Nimmals, I received your letter. It's a good gesture. I agree, all this exchange is damaging the peace and flow of the thread, so, I promise I will try to keep quiet on our exchange from now on. Sorry, I would prefer not to communicate with you anymore in any form - unfortunately, I cannot forget things you said to humiliate and hurt me on purpose for absolutely no f&^%ng reason, so - I forgive you and I promise not to add to a heated, sometimes detrimental exchange. I believe we both obviously can stay on this thread (I am staying because I am committed to until at least next Boston and that's a place to fulfill that commitment), we may just ignore it other - I believe some other runners want to hear some running stuff from you. and maybe few also will be curious about my stupid and idiotic training.

Mikkey you suprised me completely too. I still hope we can be cool. I don't mind this quickly blowing over between us.

 

Cals  Post more on my limited moral values or at least your understanding of it.  You did do idiotic training, running 13 miles everyday for one stretch just stupid gimmicks for training. Maybe I called you out too? You prided yourself on every marathon race being a PR, you were the one with the huge ego about continuous PR streak, when that ended you became bitter & miserable.  Please call me out on my moral values you can do it on your Runners whirled handle, no one will know.

 

Since reading English is not your strong suit I've bolded the focal parts don't twist words then use language as an excuse it was a forum gesture not me alone it may actually have even been Stephens idea. I am sure swim Dan, Patrick  and many others can verify the offer was extended and you turned it down so don't say the offer wasn't extended. We the collective offered to help and I was a part of it.

 

" I initially had no issues with him, when he lost his job right before Boston one year, several of us on the old forum offered to pool up his hotel cost so he wouldn't have to skip the trip. I recalled he declined our assistance."

 

Nowhere does it say I alone it was a collective gesture that you declined but we all offered to split the cost.

 

Thanks for that stuff you wrote above, actually... I will check with Dan and Steve and find out about that moment in history - because I do not remember any of it - seriously, I am not the person who lives in the past, I am always looking into the future.That's why it's kind of ridiculous to say I got bitter and miserable when my PR streak broke. Come on... Everything comes to an end. Everybody knows about that, including me. Btw, I PR-ed couple of years after that achieving Moose Mug time, I ran handful number of 100K ultra races most of which I enjoyed immensely despite pain and struggle in each of them. I am looking forward to win Western States 100 lottery one day, I am looking forward to beat Mikkey in Boston next year. I am bitter and miserable? Yeah, I guess I am - only miserable people continue training towards plenty of goals. It's all just bunch of words re bitterness and misery for sure, and pretty much so far away from how the things really are.

Anyway, maybe reading English is not my strongest suit (btw, how many other languages do YOU know fluently, I wonder?) but in my motherland everything written by you above would raise a question - how this "egoistic, rude, bitter and miserable" person gets so much support from people who are so much aware about his "egoistic, rude, bitter and miserable" nature? My god, those guys must be such huge masochists. At least, I would never offered any help to a person whom I do not like. But I guess something is really wrong with me, right?

13+ miles a day for weeks streak is idiotic? Wow!!! That's unexpected.. Actually, there was another (15+ per day for weeks streak, and there was another one - 13.1 miles twice a day for a few weeks (until the wheels came off But, you know what - I am so proud of those times, I am running and training not to break records (which I definitely can't do except my own) - I am training and running for fun, and 13+ miles per day was (and will be) a lot of fun. Wow!!! My god, I am proud of that time - I was in such a great shape, I was actually planning to beat my PR at some point. It was painful but it was fun, I enjoyed by the fact that I was able to accomplish that - even if it was for nothing. Was it idiotic in your opinion? You are entitled to your opinion and I am totally not offended because I would care less. I am not running for you or anybody else, I am running for myself and only for myself. Man I am getting so motivated

Anyway, enough clarifications and self digging - sorry if I disturbed somebody's peace of mind, hopefully this chapter is over, let's move to the next one.