2011 Goal of Sub-3:00 Marathon (Read 8006 times)

    As soon as I am confident I am recovered here I am going to try to institute a BIG life change....force myself to run the majority of my mileage at 5-5:30am so it does not disrupt family life so much.  If I can make the transition, my mileage should increase significantly.

     

    I did the same thing when I made the move into ultras. Got into the habit of rising at 4am, on the trail by 5am, back at the house by 9am, ready to play Daddy by 9:30am. It was tough to begin with but I soon fell into a pattern, and the effort meant a lot to my wife and kids.

      Thanks....assuming training does not get derailed I will be taking the hybrid approach....most of my training will not change but my long runs are going to get interesting.

       

      As soon as I am confident I am recovered here I am going to try to institute a BIG life change....force myself to run the majority of my mileage at 5-5:30am so it does not disrupt family life so much.  If I can make the transition, my mileage should increase significantly.

       

      I read that as "...force myself to run the majority of my mileage at 5-5:30 (min/mile) so it does not disrupt my family life so much..."

       

      Makes way more sense after doing the double take and seeing the "am" and not the "min/mile".

       

      I guess I've got pace on my brain...I looked at my watch yesterday afternoon at work and saw 4:12 and thought: "damn, I wanted to be sub 3" before realizing 4:12 was 4:12pm and I was wearing a cleanroom suit instead of my running gear.

       

      Good luck with your transition!

      DoppleBock


        Either one would do the trick 

         

         

        I read that as "...force myself to run the majority of my mileage at 5-5:30 (min/mile) so it does not disrupt my family life so much..."

         

        Makes way more sense after doing the double take and seeing the "am" and not the "min/mile".

        Retired 1/1/13 ...  12/1/16 return to Gallowalking ... Running is beautiful and forgiving, it will always take you back with no questions asked.

         

         

          Best wishes to those running Marine Corps this weekend.  That's a race I'd be interested in doing some day.

           

          One more week left for me.  Everyone doing NYC will probably be finished before I start my race in Fresno.  The weather for me looks close to ideal next week.  What's NY supposed to be?


          Feeling the growl again

            I read that as "...force myself to run the majority of my mileage at 5-5:30 (min/mile) so it does not disrupt my family life so much..."

             

             

             

            Ha, if I was in that kind of shape, I would certainly be rocking my races!

            "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

             

            I am spaniel - Crusher of Treadmills

             


            Are we there yet?

              Either one would do the trick 

               

              LOL! Big grin

               

              Good Luck.. 

               

              RunThinBoyRun -- 30OCT2011 -- Marine Corps (Washington DC)

              Coockie_jr -- 30OCT2011 -- Marine Corps (Washington DC)

               

              My buddy from the club Caleb Boyd is running for a sub3 bid as well... #9392. Brrrrilliant!

                Success for my first marathon \0/ Smile

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                  Success for my first marathon \0/ Smile

                  2:51:25

                   

                  Congrats!  Is your log accurate, i.e. did you really run a 2:51 with your biggest week being less than 40 miles???  That is pretty impressive.

                    Tahlgren - will keep an eye out for you.  I'll be in a bright yellow Wellington Scottish singlet.  

                     

                    Final decision is that I won't be attempting a sub 3, will be hoping for something around 3.05-3.10 given how everything has gone.  But I will be back to try again next year.  

                     

                    I dunno what i'll be wearing. Eek, 7 days.

                     

                     

                      Congrats!  Is your log accurate, i.e. did you really run a 2:51 with your biggest week being less than 40 miles???  That is pretty impressive.

                       

                      Yup, looks a bit careless to me but at least I know how to improve for the next one Big grin (Although I am super delighted about this first marathon Smile )

                      gilbertlemieux


                        Just ran a tune-up 1/2 in anticipation of my sub-3:00 attempt at Philly on November 20th.  For those of you who have already done this, what time for the 1/2 would you say makes you confident of being ready to go sub-3:00 in the full?

                        DoppleBock


                          It depends on your mileage and how much you tapered for the 1/2

                           

                          I have ran 2x my 1/2M time 5 weeks later - But I usually am good for 2x 1/2M + 4 minutes

                           

                          ex) 1:27 x 2 = 2:54 + 4 = 2:58

                           

                          I think the worst I have done was

                           

                          2x 1/2M + 5 minutes

                           

                          If you are a lower mileage guy - I think most around here would like to be 1:25, but have been successful with 1:26 1/2M times

                           

                          My 1st marathon was off avg 60MPW and was a 2:56 off a 1:26 1/2M time.

                           

                          So after rambling - I think

                           

                          1:25 - In like Flyn

                          1:26 - Solid for success

                          1:27 - Go for it - Riding the line

                          1:28 - If you are a high mileage freak

                           

                          Just ran a tune-up 1/2 in anticipation of my sub-3:00 attempt at Philly on November 20th.  For those of you who have already done this, what time for the 1/2 would you say makes you confident of being ready to go sub-3:00 in the full?

                          Retired 1/1/13 ...  12/1/16 return to Gallowalking ... Running is beautiful and forgiving, it will always take you back with no questions asked.

                           

                           


                          Feeling the growl again

                            It depends on your mileage and how much you tapered for the 1/2

                             

                            I have ran 2x my 1/2M time 5 weeks later - But I usually am good for 2x 1/2M + 4 minutes

                              

                             

                            +1.

                             

                            Dopple Bock can do 2XHM+4 because he is a long-to-ultra specialist....his HM is not as strong.  This is the reverse of most of us.

                             

                            2XHM+(4-to-6) is a good place to start if your mileage has been relatively high and your training is supporting the marathon well.  If you are <60mpw it's going to be 6 or higher added on.

                             

                            The top world marathoners now have HM PRs of 59:XX or even 58:XX.  Say 59X2-1:58, record is 2:03-hi, or 2XHM+5.5.  You're only going to beat that if you are really adding good fitness between the two, which screws up the predictive value anyways.

                            "If you want to be a bad a$s, then do what a bad a$s does.  There's your pep talk for today.  Go Run." -- Slo_Hand

                             

                            I am spaniel - Crusher of Treadmills

                             

                              +1.

                               

                              Dopple Bock can do 2XHM+4 because he is a long-to-ultra specialist....his HM is not as strong.  This is the reverse of most of us.

                               

                              2XHM+(4-to-6) is a good place to start if your mileage has been relatively high and your training is supporting the marathon well.  If you are <60mpw it's going to be 6 or higher added on.

                               

                              Even 6 minutes is unusual for non-elite males.  On 60 mpw I'd say the old "double it and add 10 minutes" rule is probably aggressive for most people.

                               

                              The best I've managed within a marathon training cycle is 2 x hm + 9 minutes.

                              Runners run.

                                Just ran a tune-up 1/2 in anticipation of my sub-3:00 attempt at Philly on November 20th.  For those of you who have already done this, what time for the 1/2 would you say makes you confident of being ready to go sub-3:00 in the full?

                                 

                                Along with what those guys said since they are all really fast and have broken 3, but what did you run the 1/2 in? And how did it feel? If you went all out and ran 1:25-1:26 I'm not sure if sub 3 would be there. But if you ran 1:25 and felt good at the end then sub 3 in a month is a realistic goal.