The COVID-19 Wild West Thread (Read 486 times)

Half Crazy K 2.0


    rlopez, with baseball, is it because they are not in a "bubble" like hockey & basketball? So maybe it's closeness in the dugout, but it could also be what players/staff are doing when they aren't playing baseball. There were news stories that rumored Cardinals players went to a casino and Marlins players went to a bar.

    JMac11


    Taper Czar

      Combination of no bubble plus the clubhouse, has nothing to do with outdoor spread or the dugout. There's a reason why the PGA has been relatively contained in its COVID spread because you don't have 45 guys in a tiny clubhouse for an hour at a time before and after games/matches.

       

      The NFL is going to face the same disaster if they don't go the bubble route. The NBA is the only league that has figured this out. If you're in a sport where the clubhouse exists, you cannot let players freely do whatever they want in the city they're in.

       

      Also, we stopped talking about handwashing as much because surface transmission is not seen as a vector for this virus. Still smart to wash your hands though.

       

      ETA: Darkwave always is correct in all her posts. I don't even know why I bother reading them because I'm going to come away saying "everything she just said is 100% correct"

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      Country Fried

        Something I find really interesting is that my wife had COVID for 7 weeks and while we isolated her in the bedroom, there is no way to do a true isolation in a family home that is anything less than a mansion. But nobody else in the house got COVID. She had no respiratory symptoms, and our only real contact with her was taking food in and dishes out. So there seems to have been no respiratory (since she had no symptoms, perhaps?) and no surface transmission.

         

        We did wash our hands a LOT though.

         

        Also, we stopped talking about handwashing as much because surface transmission is not seen as a vector for this virus. Still smart to wash your hands though.

        JMac11


        Taper Czar

          Trent - same, although my wife was fully asymptomatic. We only found out she had COVID when they tested her for antibodies at the hospital before labor. I had already gotten tested and was negative. So she was an asymptomatic carrier most likely back in March (multiple coworkers had it) who we clearly did not isolate at all since we didn't know she had it. Therefore I slept in the same bed, ate, normal affection, etc. and yet never caught it.

           

          The one thing I think we really don't understand on this virus or at least I haven't read much yet that does explain it is what makes someone a superspreader. You read about these birthday parties where one person has it and 20 people become infected. I can't imagine it's just the carrier had a cough.

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          rlopez


            We don't understand A LOT about this virus, so you can be dismissive and sure about what is/isn't happening in sports, but I'm pretty sure the situation is a bit more complicated than what you may "know".

             

            I do think that football will be a disaster.


            Country Fried

              Agree w all that.


              To clarify, my wife did have (and still has lingering) symptoms, but just never coughed. She lost her smell and taste, and had defeating fatigue and brain fog. And the daily fevers near about destroyed her soul. Oof.

               

              The good news is that the futon in the basement where I slept for 7 weeks + 14 days is very comfortable and the basement is cool and dark. I slept very well.

              Half Crazy K 2.0


                With any illness, there is no guarantee that those living in close proximity will catch it. I had an "unspecified viral illness" and developed pnuemoniua back in February. At the time, flu was going around my work (we all had our required flu shots), but I tested negative for it twice and also tested negative for Covid antibodies in late May. Of the other co-workers who tested positive for flu, every member of their household got sick. My husband  somehow did not get sick. While I was pretty much isolated to the master bedroom for 2 weeks and he only came in with food/drinks, we were not separate right before I got sick, so he would have been exposed to whatever hell I had.

                 

                I think that is the challenge. There just isn't enough info to know exactly why in some cases you get a super spreader event. Right now, I think the best anyone can do is identify the places where typically illness spreads rapidly and try to minimize the risks.

                   

                  Also, with all the hand wringing about wearing masks, we kind of stopped saying outloud another thing, which is good in general... especially as we head into fall: the importance of hand washing. And ain't nobody doing this at the gym.

                   

                  I can see using hand sanitizer as a workable option if you are going to be on one machine for 30+ minutes, but a weightlifting routine that requires multiple sets on several machines in a rotation... that seems impractical.

                   

                   

                   

                   

                  rlopez


                    My boss had it in early March (we didn't see him for 4 weeks). Nobody else in his family got it. With him, he lost taste and smell and had a wicked cough. 5+ months later, his taste/smell is still kind of wonky, he cannot drink anything cold, he gets winded easily as the day goes on, and when he gets stressed, he has a low rumbly cough. He also got a freaky rash over most of his body and bright red hands a few weeks ago. His doctor assured him it was not covid-related, but also never confirmed what it was. He still has the red hands.

                    rlopez


                       

                      I can see using hand sanitizer as a workable option if you are going to be on one machine for 30+ minutes, but a weightlifting routine that requires multiple sets on several machines in a rotation... that seems impractical.

                       

                      hence why I'm not returning to the gym quite yet. In no way am I saying other folks are wrong or being stupid. I'm just not ready to do it.

                        The NBA is the only league that has figured this out.

                         

                        NHL has done it pretty well too. To have team sports you either need a hard bubble like the NBA and NHL, or a functional government public health response like the Bundesliga. MLB has neither so I don't see how they finish the season. The NFL, I dunno, that just seems like way too many people to create a hard bubble so how can that work?

                         

                        I really wish when we all went into lockdown in March we had, as a society, worked backward from the start of school and prioritized getting kids back to school safely over all else, especially over Texans and Floridians getting to go to Buffalo Wild wings or whatever. Alas.

                         

                        I hate all of this.

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                        Country Fried

                          I think we do not know enough yet to say a given rash during a COVID infection is definitively unrelated. COVID seems to cause a lot of different rashes, and none are common enough to make trends clear. Plus, William of Occam and all that.

                           

                          It may be that this is true with just about any symptom. What an odd disease.

                          JMac11


                          Taper Czar

                             

                            NHL has done it pretty well too. To have team sports you either need a hard bubble like the NBA and NHL, or a functional government public health response like the Bundesliga. MLB has neither so I don't see how they finish the season. The NFL, I dunno, that just seems like way too many people to create a hard bubble so how can that work?

                             

                            Agreed, forgot to include the NHL. The only thing with them though is they don't disclose if someone has COVID, or just a sprained ankle, so it's harder to track exactly how well they're doing it. But all signs look good.

                             

                            I agree the NFL may be much more tricky with the amount of people personnel wise. But just throwing up their hands and trying to run the season is not going to go well.

                             

                            But this whole thing with sports is really not complicated in terms of how to make it work. You need to have some sort of bubble. These guys spend way too much time together in indoor settings where they won't be wearing masks. They're also young, famous, rich men (in the case of the 4 major leagues) who enjoy going out and taking advantage of that money and fame. Letting them continue to travel around the country in a non-bubble setting is going to lead to disastrous outcomes, as evidenced by the rumor that Crazy K pointed to.

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                            Half Crazy K 2.0


                              With the non-bubble sports, I think it's going to come down to quickly identfying & dealing with the dumbasses on the team, regardless of their status. Not sure if you saw the story about the Seattle Seahawks rookie who tried to sneak a woman into the team hotel in team gear. He got cut. Now, that said, how do teams handle the first star who pulls a stupid stunt like this? It's easy for teams to cut a fringe player and then claim zero tolerance. It's another when the star is the culprit.

                              dhuffman63


                              Trails

                                I liked the story of the NBA player who left to attend a funeral and then was caught at a strip club...I believe he was one of the "Stars" and nothing major happened to him.