The COVID-19 Wild West Thread (Read 601 times)

 

Let's play it your way.  Let's count every time Pelosi violated CDC prescription.  Now, let's count Trump.

 

This game will end due to the Slaughter Rule.  I mean, if you're going to be fair about it.

You're really just validating my point.  Both sides screwed up and neither are following their own rules.  If I accept your characterizations of Trump I'd actually call Pelosi's violations more severe, since she pretends to hold more extreme beliefs in masks than Trump so at least he isn't violating the beliefs he puts in public so much.   Now following "CDC prescription", are these the ones which early on told us not to wear masks, or where the CDC told us masks are better than a vaccine, despite numerous published studies characterizing the limitations of masks?  Because to the impartial but highly educated molecular biologist this whole thing stinks due to the inconsistency in guidance.  I'm not calling the CDC incompetent, but this is what happens in a rapidly evolving situation of scientific uncertainty influenced by a heavy dose of politics.

Dick-nosing is speeches and no mask in a salon which isn't legally supposed to be providing her service...yet you support this?  The minions didn't get access to that salon.  Mask or no.

We can debate the proper position here.  But once you take one, violating it makes you the hypocrite.  It's pretty obvious why there was an outbreak in Trump's inner circle given their position.  But Pelosi took a very different public stance, yet has exhibited really orthogonal behaviors.  You really can't equate the two.  If you fail to call out Pelosi for her behaviors it exposes you as a partisan.  Kinda feel like a broken record that i'm calling out both sides here.

 

Finally, we agree.

 

MTA: sorry, that's not fair.  It's a cheap debate tactic to make you look the fool by quoting you in slant context.  Apologies.  Let me try better:

 

I was referring to whatever the current CDC guidance is at the time.  Yep it changed.  As it should.  Fluid situation.  Might change in the future.  As a scientist, I'm sure you would appreciate that.

 

Is someone who advocates a policy, but personally violates it in several instances a better public advocate than someone who flouts the best advice science has to offer and encourages others to do so?  Do you think the Marlborough Man measures the same as the actor who makes an anti-smoking ad, but sneaks a cigs on the weekend?

 

So, to be clear: yep, I fault Pelosi for violating her own policy recommendations.  But that's peanuts compared to Trump never following, and often advocating against, his administration's (CDC is under the executive branch, flowing from his appointed cabinet) recommendation.

 

So, I return to my original version of this post: "You really can't equate the two."  Here we agree.

I draw a distinction between people who do what they claim they think is right, and those who do otherwise.  We can the debate what we think is right.  The disconnect between belief and actions is something to be debated.

The CDC and Surgeon General have gone between stating masks were not necessary, to saying masks were better than a vaccine.  At what time point do you want me to believe them?  Clearly it's an evolving situation, but apparently the President is not allowed to consider this.  Meanwhile Pelosi attended a closed salon without a mask but that doesn't concern you.

Yet, as a trained scientist, you minimize me.  I don't have a damn clue what you do for a living, but because I challenge the democratic platform, I am clearly less intelligent than you, despite having shared enough information to show I'm leap years ahead in understanding these issues than you.  So I abscond.  I'm going to vote tomorrow, and I'm not going to share further information here as it's clearly not a value added exercise.

 

I draw a distinction between people who do what they claim they think is right, and those who do otherwise.  We can the debate what we think is right.  The disconnect between belief and actions is something to be debated.

 

The CDC and Surgeon General have gone between stating masks were not necessary, to saying masks were better than a vaccine.  At what time point do you want me to believe them?  Clearly it's an evolving situation, but apparently the President is not allowed to consider this.  Meanwhile Pelosi attended a closed salon without a mask but that doesn't concern you.

 

Yet, as a trained scientist, you minimize me.  I don't have a damn clue what you do for a living, but because I challenge the democratic platform, I am clearly less intelligent than you, despite having shared enough information to show I'm leap years ahead in understanding these issues than you.  So I abscond.  I'm going to vote tomorrow, and I'm not going to share further information here as it's clearly not a value added exercise.

Uh, he didn't do any of that.

As for what the president is/isn't "allowed" to consider. It is really hard to think that you wish to have a valid discussion when you use words like that. The president is "allowed" to consider whatever he chooses. Whether that is what he should be considering is another matter, and there is a long list of hundreds of things that show the current president considers really really unhelpful things. And tweets about them. To the exclusion of doing any actual work.

These are direct quotes from Trump today:

“People are tired of hearing Fauci and all these idiots”

"He’ll listen to the scientists" (meant as an insult to Biden)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltjBT_TuUVA&feature=emb_logo

(Youtube video is "wear a mask" parody)

 

Or...world leaders and other adults could simply behave appropriately to their chosen position.

You have made it crystal clear this is impossible. Interesting view though after being on the internet I've learned this is incapable. If you don't believe me feel free to look up this Face Page thing where people show photos of what they're doing or selling and adults act much like toddlers.

 

Or...world leaders and other adults could simply behave appropriately to their chosen position.

You should join the rest of us in putting cat on ignore. Life is simpler that way.

Well, Jeffrey Toobin just demonstrated why you have to be careful on Zoom calls...

 

Or...world leaders and other adults could simply behave appropriately to their chosen position.