The COVID-19 Wild West Thread (Read 551 times)

Half Crazy K 2.0


     

    I think they're doing better too. America just has too much anger and disagreement "for the sake of disagreement" going on to really come together and work on this. Sad when 9/11 was just a short time ago and it seems like the LAST time America worked together for anything. Now we care about "likes" and "followers" for our "covid cover" videos.

     

     

     

    I had this conversation with a co-worker when covid first started. The 9/11 honeymoon really didn't last all that long. The second airport screenings started, that unity went away.

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      I had this conversation with a co-worker when covid first started. The 9/11 honeymoon really didn't last all that long. The second airport screenings started, that unity went away.

       

      Funny how they haven't really stopped those extra screenings, the rules about shoes keeps changing, and it still has done nothing to prevent weapons from getting through security. I think the biggest fear NOW, other than COVID 19, is a drunk pilot crashing a plane due to it being a 737 MAX. Maybe we need better screenings for passengers on airplanes in order to prevent drunk pilots.

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        I think the countries doing better than the US are doing a far better job at testing, contacts tracing & isolating patients.

         

        It is simple, but not easy.

         

        If we had just done as well as Germany, we would have about 200,000 fewer dead Americans now.

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          It is simple, but not easy.

           

          If we had just done as well as Germany, we would have about 200,000 fewer dead Americans now.

          https://www.germany.info/us-en/coronavirus/2317268

           

          You're right. America SHOULD do exactly what Germany is doing.

           

          Germany...https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Risikogebiete_neu.html

          "Since 8 November 2020, the obligation to enter a 10-dayquarantine immediately after entry applies to foreign arrivals or returnees who have been in a risk area within the last ten days prior to entry. In addition, before arriving in Germany, passengers must register on https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de and carry proof of registration upon entry. After five days of quarantine at the earliest, the importers can be tested for SARS-CoV-2 in order to end the quarantine requirement by a negative test result. In order to maintain the community and trade, certain categories of persons are exempted from the obligation to quarantine. Exceptions for family reasons are also provided. If you have any questions about the quarantine regime that applies to you and any exemptions that apply to you, please contact the state that is concerned with you. Regulations of the respective federal states can be linked on the following website: https://www.bundesregierung.de/breg-de/themen/coronavirus/corona-bundeslaender-1745198 .

           

          So after 5 days you can get tested and be released, but if you're visiting family you can just bypass the whole quarantine thing, or if you're in a certain category.

           

          Well maybe it's a small list of places considered a risk area:

           

          The following states/regions are currently considered risk areas:

          • Afghanistan (since 15 June)
          • Egypt (since 15 June)
          • Albania (since 15 June)
          • Algeria (since 15 June)
          • Andorra - the Principality of Andorra (since 26 August)
          • Angola (since 15 June)
          • Equatorial Guinea (since 15 June)
          • Argentina (since 15 June)
          • Armenia (since 15 June)
          • Azerbaijan (since 15 June)
          • Ethiopia (since 15 June)
          • Bahamas (since June 15)
          • Bahrain (since 15 June)
          • Bangladesh (since 15 June)
          • Belarus (since 15 June)
          • Belgium (since 30 September)
          • Belize (since June 15)
          • Benin (since 15 June)
          • Bhutan (since 15 June)
          • Bolivia (since 15 June)
          • Bosnia and Herzegovina (since 15 June)
          • Brazil (since 15 June)
          • Bulgaria (since 1 November)
          • Burkina Faso (since 15 June)
          • Burundi (since 15 June)
          • Cabo Verde (since 3 July)
          • Chile (since 15 June)
          • Costa Rica (since 15 June)
          • Ivory Coast (since 15 June)
          • Denmark - Denmark as a whole, with the exception of the Faroe Islands and Greenland (since 8 November)
          • Dominican Republic (since June 15)
          • Djibouti (since 15 June)
          • Ecuador (since 15 June)
          • El Salvador (since 15 June)
          • Eritrea (since 15 June)
          • Estonia - the following regions are currently considered risk areas:

            • Ida-Viru (since 8 November)
            • Harju (since November 15)
            • Hiiu (since November 15)
            • Rapla (since November 15)
          • Eswatini (since 15 June)
          • France - the following regions are currently considered risk areas:

            • Total Continental France (since 17 October)
            • Overseas territory: French Guiana (since 21 August)
            • Overseas territory: Guadeloupe (since 26 August)
            • Overseas territory: French Polynesia (since 15 November)
            • Overseas territory: La Réunion (since 16 September)
            • Overseas territory: Martinique (since 17 October)
            • Overseas territory: St. Martin (since 26 August)
          • Gabon (since 15 June)
          • Gambia (since 15 June)
          • Georgia (since 7 October)
          • Ghana (since 15 June)
          • Greece - the following regions are currently considered risk areas:

            • Western Macedonia (since 1 November)
            • Attica (since 8 November)
            • Central Macedonia (since 8 November)
            • Eastern Macedonia and Thrace (since 8 November)
            • Epirus (since 8 November)
            • Thessaly (since 8 November)
            • Northern Aegean (since 15 November)
            • Peloponnese (since 15 November)
          • Guatemala (since June 15)
          • Guinea (since 15 June)
          • Guinea-Bissau (since 15 June)
          • Guyana (since June 15)
          • Haiti (since 15 June)
          • Honduras (since 15 June)
          • India (since 15 June)
          • Indonesia (since 15 June)
          • Iraq (since 15 June)
          • Iran (since 15 June)
          • Ireland (since 24 October)
          • Iceland (since 30 September)
          • Israel (since 3 July)
          • Italy (since 8 November)
          • Jamaica (since 15 June)
          • Yemen (since 15 June)
          • Jordan (since 7 October)
          • Canada (since November 15)
          • Cameroon (since 15 June)
          • Kazakhstan (since 15 June)
          • Qatar (since 15 June)
          • Kenya (since 15 June)
          • Kyrgyzstan (since 15 June)
          • Colombia (since 15 June)
          • Comoros (since June 15)
          • Congo DR (since 15 June)
          • Congo Rep (since June 15)
          • Korea (People's Republic) (since 15 June)
          • Kosovo (since 15 June)
          • Croatia (since 1 November)
          • Kuwait (since 15 June)
          • Lesotho (since 15 June)
          • Latvia - the following regions are currently considered risk areas:

            • Latgale (since 1 November)
            • Riga (since 1 November)
            • Pierga (since 8 November)
            • Vidzeme (since 1 November)
            • Zemgale (since 15 November)
          • Lebanon (since 15 June)
          • Liberia (since 15 June)
          • Libya (since 15 June)
          • Liechtenstein (since 24 October)
          • Lithuania - the whole country with the exception of the district of Utena (since 8 November)
          • Luxembourg (14 July - 20 August and since 25 September)
          • Madagascar (since 15 June)
          • Malawi (since 15 June)
          • Maldives (since 17 July)
          • Mali (since 15 June)
          • Malta (since 17 October)
          • Morocco (since 15 June)
          • Mauritania (since 15 June)
          • Mexico (since June 15)
          • Monaco (since 1 November)
          • Mongolia (since 15 June)
          • Montenegro (15-19 June and since 17 July)
          • Mozambique (since 15 June)
          • Nepal (since 15 June)
          • Nicaragua (since 15 June)
          • Netherlands - the whole country (including the autonomous countries and the Caribbean parts of the Netherlands) (since 17 October)
          • Niger (since 15 June)
          • Nigeria (since 15 June)
          • Northern Macedonia (since 15 June)
          • Norway - the following provinces are currently considered risk areas:

            • Oslo (since 8 November)
            • Vestland (since 15 November)
            • Viken (since 15 November)
          • Oman (since June 15)
          • Austria – the whole country with the exception of the municipalities of Jungholz and Mittelberg / Kleinwalsertal (since 1 November)
          • Pakistan (since 15 June)
          • Palestinian Territories (since 3 July)
          • Panama (since June 15)
          • Papua New Guinea (since 17 June)
          • Paraguay (since 15 June)
          • Peru (since 15 June)
          • Philippines (since 15 June)
          • Poland (since 24 October)
          • Portugal – the whole country with the exception of the autonomous regions of the Azores and Madeira (since 8 November)
          • Moldova (since 15 June)
          • Romania (since 7 October)
          • Russian Federation (since 15 June)
          • Zambia (since 15 June)
          • San Marino (since 1 November)
          • Sao Tomé and Principe (since 16 June)
          • Saudi Arabia (since 15 June)
          • Sweden (since 15 November)
          • Switzerland (since 24 October)
          • Senegal (since 15 June)
          • Serbia (since 15 June)
          • Sierra Leone (since 15 June)
          • Zimbabwe (since 15 June)
          • Slovakia (since 17 October)
          • Slovenia (since 1 November
          • Somalia (since 15 June)
          • Spain - the whole country of Spain (since 2 September) with the exception of the Canary Islands (since 24 October)
          • South Africa (since 15 June)
          • Sudan (since 15 June)
          • South Sudan (since 15 June)
          • Surinam (since 15 June)
          • Syrian Arab Republic (since June 15)
          • Tajikistan (since 15 June)
          • Tanzania (since 15 June)
          • Czech Republic (since 25 September)
          • Timor Leste (East Timor) (since 17 June)
          • Togo (since June 15)
          • Trinidad Tobago (since 15 June)
          • Chad (since 15 June)
          • Tunisia (since 7 October)
          • Turkey (since 15 June)
          • Turkmenistan (since 17 June)
          • Ukraine (since 15 June)
          • Hungary (since 1 November)
          • USA (since 3 July)
          • Uzbekistan (since 15 June)
          • Vatican City (since 1 November)
          • Venezuela (since June 15)
          • United Arab Emirates (since 23 September)
          • United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland – the whole of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, the Channel Island of Jersey (crown ownership) (since 15 November) and the overseas territory of Gibraltar (since 24 October). Excluded are the other overseas territories, as well as the Crown Holdings Isle of Man and the Channel Island of Guernsey
          • Central African Republic (since 15 June)
          • Cyprus (since 1 November)

           

           

           

           

           

           

          I can only imagine how fast my television would melt down from the news flashes of how horrible President Donald Trump is for banning travel from one of these countries and claim it is a matter of national security.

          Germany considered USA a risk area since July 3 (not an ironic date) and yet that is when we had our LOWEST COVID 19 numbers. Impressive.

           

          Yeah, I'd support President Joe Biden taking this list and saying no one from these countries are allowed into the United States without being tested multiple times, and claiming it's due to COVID 19. It might be easier just to list what countries DON'T require you to quarantine. I can see how Germany has such low COVID 19 numbers. No one is allowed to come into the country...except for maybe some refugees back in 2015 or 2016.

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            Well shit....looks like Bars ARE the biggest cause of COVID 19.

            https://bangordailynews.com/2020/11/10/news/hancock/8-bar-harbor-restaurants-and-cafes-temporarily-close-after-covid-19-exposure/

             

             

            https://www.ktbs.com/news/new-covid-19-restriction-in-oklahoma/article_7fb7e868-28e4-11eb-bd8b-8f101616478a.html

             

            Oklahoma is closing bars. California closed them. They were closed at the beginning of COVID 19 and they're the first thing to shut down. Oh and those religious places. Restaurants are still open though. Come on in and have a beer with your family. If you're eating you can't catch COVID 19. Come on National Lockdown! Shut down the daycares! They haven't been closed yet and COVID numbers keep rising. Close McDonalds and Starbucks too. No one NEEDS a McFlurry or Pumpkin Spiced Latte.

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            Half Crazy K 2.0


               

              It is simple, but not easy.

               

              If we had just done as well as Germany, we would have about 200,000 fewer dead Americans now.

               

              I think this with a lot of things. With the 9/11 example, it's simple to screen every passenger getting on a plane. Explaining it to them not so much. I assume the second you say grandma's over 8 can skip security, some sick fuck will exploit it.

               

              A running example I'll use is the clear bag or no bags requirements that went into effect post-Boston. It's simple to think ok, at this event, no one should have a bag. If someone has a bag, they should stand out and law enforcement act. Getting people to buy in is not easy.

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                Oklahoma's bar closing is the stupidest thing ever....Gov Shitt is having them close at 11 PM.  As if covid only comes out after midnight.  He's the worst governor ever.

                   

                  Not exactly asinine. Dr Faucci said he'd be happy with 70% and we never heard a word about the success rate of the vaccine until after the election. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/moderna-covid-vaccine-94-percent-effective_n_5fb2a3e8c5b6f79d60197f30 Days later we have TWO vaccines at 90% effective rate or better.

                   

                   

                  Unfortunately these are just anecdotal claims by the companies, without 3rd party verification. There's nothing "official" about them, just like an Elon Musk tweet.

                   

                  I tell my Q-infected friend that if the vaccines are good and come out any time in 2021 they can say that it was because of DJ Trump and his hard work on the cure, pushing through the fastest vaccine development in history with his masterful knowledge of science and epidemiology. And if there are problems with side effects or high rejection rates, they can blame Old Biden because he's currently in office. Same thing for the economy.

                   

                  It's too bad this somehow got tied up with to political partisan death-match we're all innocent victims of.

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                  Half Crazy K 2.0


                    Oklahoma's bar closing is the stupidest thing ever....Gov Shitt is having them close at 11 PM.  As if covid only comes out after midnight.  He's the worst governor ever.

                     

                    I typically like MD's governor. Last week he said bars have to close at midnight. Today's big rollback, they close at 10pm.

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                      Oklahoma's bar closing is the stupidest thing ever....Gov Shitt is having them close at 11 PM.  As if covid only comes out after midnight.  He's the worst governor ever.

                       

                      Nevada's Governor limiting brothels is also stupid, but it's happened. The man even limited churches to 50 people when every other business was limited to 50% capacity. He even fought it in court. NONE of this makes any sense. Its like the directors from Who's line is it anyway" are running it because "the rules are made up and the points don't matter anyway" at this point. Just stay home and wear your mask. If we all stay home for 2 weeks the television and internet tell me covid 19 will go away. 2 weeks. at home. isolated. 14 days. no running or leaving the house. Not even for school.

                       

                      Half Does COVID 19 have a curfew? I think people can get too drunk to protect themselves at 9:30pm. Heck, my local health advisor OPENED bars because bars were safer than house parties. Now we're going to shut them down after Thanksgiving (forecast, not official) yet Olive Garden can still sell you as much booze as you can handle with soupl, salad and breadsticks. Maybe COVID 19 on the East Coast is different then the stuff we have out here. Ours doesn't take nights and weekends off.

                       

                      Surly Bill Sounds like you remember the "Blame Bush" years a lot bit too well. Everything bad under Obama seemed to be carry over from Bush so now it's time for the Republicans to blame Obama/Biden and praise fearless leader Trump. "Ah if you'd have given him 4 more years he'da cured this thing in a month. NOW look what we got...."

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                      LedLincoln


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                        I typically like MD's governor. Last week he said bars have to close at midnight. Today's big rollback, they close at 10pm.

                         

                        Those little viruses will be checking their watches.

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                          I think this with a lot of things. With the 9/11 example, it's simple to screen every passenger getting on a plane. Explaining it to them not so much. I assume the second you say grandma's over 8 can skip security, some sick fuck will exploit it.

                           

                          A running example I'll use is the clear bag or no bags requirements that went into effect post-Boston. It's simple to think ok, at this event, no one should have a bag. If someone has a bag, they should stand out and law enforcement act. Getting people to buy in is not easy.

                           

                          People exploited Costco's senior hours by walking in with "grandma" and Costco wasn't checking IDs. "Oh I'm sorry...I thought your senior hours were for seniors. I didn't know it was for seniors AND EVERYONE ELSE IN THEIR PARTY. Let me go grab my retire mother in law so I don't have to wait in this line for another hour."

                          Also reminds me of those plastic bag "bans" passing all over the country. Yup...they're banned all right...unless you pay ten cents a bag at which point you're 100% compliant with the law. No bags seemed easy for sportsball games I went to until clear bags came out and the size started changing or not being enforced. "no mask no entry" seems easy in theory. It's the button pushers who say "well it's on my head" or "well i have a medical reason, or even "my dog is a therapy dog and you can't ask me any other questions" bullSHIT in my opinion. Everywhere there is a law made for good intentions there is an expert in interpreting the intention of the law. 

                          2020 Goal: Figure out the problem.

                             

                             

                            Surly Bill Sounds like you remember the "Blame Bush" years a lot bit too well. Everything bad under Obama seemed to be carry over from Bush so now it's time for the Republicans to blame Obama/Biden and praise fearless leader Trump. "Ah if you'd have given him 4 more years he'da cured this thing in a month. NOW look what we got...."

                             

                            Exactly. It works both ways, and has been deployed by partisan rabble-rousers and  footsoldiers every time there is a change of political party in the whitehouse.

                             

                            When other party is in whitehouse: "increasing the deficit is BAD", then when their guy is in office: "increasing the deficit is GOOD".

                             

                            It's cool that there's always a partisan excuse for failure, and/or success of the other party. That way people can save face. Even though this pandemic would have happened even with a Green or Libertarian in the whitehouse, somehow the gullibles would have found a way to blame the GOP or DNC; whichever party they are not in.

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                            Half Crazy K 2.0


                               

                               

                              It's cool that there's always a partisan excuse for failure, and/or success of the other party. That way people can save face. Even though this pandemic would have happened even with a Green or Libertarian in the whitehouse, somehow the gullibles would have found a way to blame the GOP or DNC; whichever party they are not in.

                               

                              I wonder how it would have gone had Trump raised the alarm early and often back in early February (coinciding with his impeachment trial). I'm sure the Democrats would scream diversion and things are fine. But then once NYC went the way it did, would the parties both act like they are on the same team?

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                                I wonder how it would have gone had Trump raised the alarm early and often back in early February (coinciding with his impeachment trial). I'm sure the Democrats would scream diversion and things are fine. But then once NYC went the way it did, would the parties both act like they are on the same team?

                                 

                                Why on earth would you think that? As partisan stuff goes, it seems like science would guide an incoming pandemic for normal-thinking people. Your assertion is far fetched.