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High Fat or High Carb? (Read 1417 times)

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    For reasons that are unclear, high fat diets seem to preserve muscle glycogen levels in endurance exercise. Depletion of muscle glycogen levels causes fatigue in endurance sports. An interesting "spanner" that can be thrown in to the works here, is a study performed last year (Med.Sci.Sport & Exerc.30:456-461,1998) on untrained males tested in aerobic endurance (in this case, running). One group was fed a diet higher in fat (62% of total calories) and another group was fed a high carbohydrate (65% of total cals) diet. After four weeks on the diets the subjects ran at 80% of VO2 max until exhaustion. Now according to some nutritionists, that sort of fat intake could not possibly allow for optimal muscle glycogen reserves and thus result in poor performance. Theoretically, untrained subjects would not utilize fat as a fuel very effectively either. However, the results of this study show this was not the case. There no difference in time running to exhaustion between the high fat group and the high carb group. A lot of endurance athletes and the coaches/nutritionists that look after them are real big on high carb diets and frown upon anything (such as fat) that may impede glycogen accumulation in muscle. I think high carb/low fat diets play havoc with insulin levels and this impedes glycogen resynthesis in muscle and does not enhance it. Athletes that eat diets higher in fat maintain steady state blood sugar and insulin levels. This provides more effective nutrient transport into cells and consistent blood sugar levels. This means better performance. To put it simply, I think there is merit to keeping fat intake at a normal level (20-35% of total calories) for endurance events. The type and timing of carbohydrates in the hours after exercise has much more effect on glycogen replenishment than the total amount consumed throughout the day.
    Trent


    Good Bad & The Monkey

      Hefty, we have been over this. Runners who eat fat ultimately die.
      Purdey


      Self anointed title

        Trent..... Dude.... I think you should remember my response (after having researched this for many years and written my doctoral thesis on it...) "Runners who eat carbs, fat and protein in perfect proportions will die." End of story.

         

         


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          Hefty, we have been over this. Runners who eat fat ultimately die.
          Bad fat - saturated, hydrogenated.......

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          Trent


          Good Bad & The Monkey

            Bad fat - saturated, hydrogenated.......
            Them too. But those who eat good fats also die. And like Purdey said too.
              Complex carbs appear to be the best diet for the Tarahumara runners. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/433816
              The food and nutrient intakes of the Tarahumara Indians of Mexico. Cerqueira MT, Fry MM, Connor WE. A nutritional survey of 372 semiacculturated Tarahumara Indians in the Sierra Madre Occidental Mountains of Mexico was carried out to determine the composition of their diet and its nutritional adequacy. Dietary histories from 174 adults and 198 children were obtained by interviews and field observations during 1973 and 1974. The histories for the children were calculated in part from the menus of six boarding church schools. Nutrient calculations of daily intake were based upon food composition tables and some actual analyses of Tarahumara foods. The protein intake was ample, at 87 g, and generously met the FAO/WHO recommendations for daily intake of essential amino acids. Fat contributed only 12% of total calories, its composition being 2% saturated and 5% polyunsaturated with a P/S ratio of 2. The mean dietary cholesterol intake was very low, less than 100 mg/day, and the plant sterol intake was high, over 400 mg/day. Carbohydrate comprised 75 to 80% of total calories, mostly from starch. Only 6% of total calories were derived from simple sugars. The crude fiber intake was high, 18 to 21 g/day. Salt consumption was moderately low, 5 to 8 g/day. The daily intakes of calcium, iron, vitamin A, ascorbic acid, thiamin niacin, riboflavin, and vitamin B6 exceeded or approximated the FAO/WHO recommendations. Thus, the simple diet of the Tarahumara Indians, composed primarily of beans and corn, provided a high intake of complex carbohydrate and was low in fat and cholesterol. Their diet was found to be generally of high nutritional quality and would, by all criteria, be considered antiatherogenic.
                http://web.mac.com/runprovidence/runprov/Home/Entries/2007/11/17_To_Eat_Like_A_Kenyan.html
                There is a great deal of interest in the training habits of the world's elite athletes. Of particular interest to all endurance athletes alike is that of Kenyan runners, since they have dominated the field of distance running for over a decade. [...] What is the Kenyan diet? A group of sport and nutrition experts led by Yannis Pitsiladis from the International Centre for East African Running Science based in Glasgow studied a group of ten elite Kenyan middle distance runners during their peak training season in 2004. Their diet was found to be very simple. The group of runners consumed five different meals spaced around two different running workouts. Interestingly, their food intake was primarily from vegetables, grains and starches (86%), such as bread, rice, potatoes, porridge, cabbage, kidney beans, and ugali (the national dish of Kenya composed of corn meal paste), and less so from meat (14%), which was mostly beef. Their fluid intake was sufficient at 2.3 liters per day; however, just over half of that fluid came from tea. The runners drank about 1.1 liters of water and 1.2 liters of tea per day. Basic, but rich! The Kenyan diet is so basic yet so sustainable. They rely on their agriculturally rich land to supply them with food for life and for sport. Further, unlike most westernized societies, the Kenyans are not presented with a superfluous amount of food choices and diet pressures everywhere they go. They rarely if ever consume candy, soda, or processed foods. They eat to survive and prosper rather than to indulge.
                Purdey


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                  Unfortunately I have conclusive proof that all Kenyan athletes will die. [no-one talks about what the Kenyans may achieve if they had a slightly more balanced diet... don't forget that their diet as described above developed through necessity not choice. Nobody in Kenya regularly eats meat (apart from the politicians) as it is too scarce and too expensive.] Anyway, the evidence that I have seen suggests that they will die.

                   

                   

                    Unfortunately I have conclusive proof that all Kenyan athletes will die. [no-one talks about what the Kenyans may achieve if they had a slightly more balanced diet... don't forget that their diet as described above developed through necessity not choice. Nobody in Kenya regularly eats meat (apart from the politicians) as it is too scarce and too expensive.] Anyway, the evidence that I have seen suggests that they will die.
                    Some people argue that genes play the major role in athletic success. I don't know... http://www.runnersweb.com/running/jon_entine_20010809.html
                    What about Coe¹s whine that British runners could transform themselves from joggers into champions if only they paid they mimicked the Kenyans. As the myth goes, Kenyans are great because they ran to school as kids and torture themselves in practice. That brings belly laughs from Wilson Kipketer, who destroyed Coe¹s long-held 800-metre record in 1997. "I lived right next door to school," he laughs. "I walked, nice and slow." The reality is that for every Kenyan monster-miler putting in 100-mile weeks, there are others, like Kipketer, who get along on less than thirty. ³Training regimens are as varied in Kenya as any where in the world,² notes Colm O¹Connell, coach at St. Patrick¹s Iten, the famous private school and running factory in the valley that turned out Kipketer and other Kenyan greats. O¹Connell eschews the mega-training so common among world champion wannabees in Britain and Europe. The explanation for African domination of running, it turns out, can be found mostly in the genes. ³Africans are naturally, genetically, more likely to have less body fat, which is a critical edge in elite running,² notes Joseph Graves, Jr., an African American evolutionary biologist at Arizona State University. "Evolution has shaped body types and in part athletic possibilities. Don¹t expect an Eskimo to show up on an NBA court or a Watusi to win the world weightlifting championship. Differences don¹t necessarily correlate with skin color, but rather with geography and climate. Genes play a major role in this.² Highly heritable characteristics such as skeletal structure, muscle fiber types, reflex capabilities, metabolic efficiency and lung capacity are not evenly distributed among populations and cannot be explained by known environmental factors. Though individual success is about opportunity and "fire in the belly," thousands of years of evolution have left a distinct footprint on the world's athletic map.
                      Interesting, a low calorie diet contributes much to distance running success... http://dailyrunningtips.com/kenyan-runners/low-calorie-diet-powers-kenya-runners/
                      Posted By : Constantine Njeru The special diet for Kenyan runners is a low calorie diet. The low calorie diet has given them a lean body that is essential to long distance running. You can mark out a Kenyan runner in a race by his razor thin body. Majority of Long distance Kenyan runners were born in poor homes where they grew up being fed on a diet of maize and beans, not the most ideal food to feed your children. Animal protein is expensive for the average Kenyan family, the only time this poor families buy meat is during special occasions like Christmas Party! They get most of their protein from grains. A Kenya Diet in a day For breakfast the average Kenyan family drinks tea with milk and eat sweet potatoes or arrow roots, a traditional African food rich in carbohydrates. For lunch and supper a family eats a mixture of Maize and beans. When I was ten years old my parents enrolled me into a boarding school. Boarding schools in Kenya are not just for the rich, we have low cost boarding school. Every lunch time we ate a diet of maize and beans. What Kenyan Runners Share with Ethiopian Runners To show you why I think a low calorie diet is key to their long distance running dominance, let me compare the environment of Kenyan runners with Ethiopian runners. Ethiopian runners are the only ones that seem to seriously challenge the Kenyan runners. Ethiopia is known for its poverty and famine, an environment where kids grow up being fed in a low calorie diet. An Ethiopian runner is as lean as a Kenyan runner. Although they grew up in different countries, they share a similar low calorie diet. In trying to understand why Kenyan runners have dominated long distance running, most expert focus only on their training and living in altitude. The issue of low calory diet needs to be considered as one of the many factors that explain the dominance of Kenya’s in long distance running.
                        Big grin Big grin Big grin http://www.technologyreview.com/read_article.aspx?id=16958&ch=biotech
                        It will be years before the study, which began four years ago, determines how the diet affects lifespan. But John Holloszy and his collaborator Luigi Fontana have already found that those following such a calorie-restricted diet -- they call themselves "CRONies" (Caloric Restriction with Optimal Nutrition) -- are protected against some diseases associated with aging, such as cardiovascular disease and Type 2 diabetes. The researchers are now planning a larger trial, in which people eating an average diet will reduce their caloric intake by 25 percent, to determine how caloric restriction leads to biological changes over time.
                          Interesting... the Van Aaken method: http://magstraining.tripod.com/Learning_From_The_Past.html#Ernst_Van_Aaken
                          A central theme of Van Aakens is that the athlete should have very little fat on his body. The lighter the athlete the better. He took this to the extreme with his athletes stating that the runner should eat very little, about 2,000 calories per day. Which is not very much at all considering the vast amounts of mileage his athletes did. He wasn't strict on what the athlete ate exactly, as long as he did not eat too much. It was recommended to eat a good amount of high quality protein and to limit your fat intake to less than 40 grams a day. In addition to this he believed that a runner should fast for a day occasionally. Van Aaken said that the fasting taught the runner how to run with little fuel supplies and to teach his body how to burn fat.
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                            High-Fat Diet Raises "Good Cholesterol" In Trained Runners [...] The study, thought to be the first to show this effect in women, has important implications for anyone who puts in high running mileage for health purposes. It shows they may be blunting the benefits of running by eating a diet too low in fat. Previous results from the same study group of athletes showed that increasing dietary fat also improves endurance performance. The new results, reported in the January issue of Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise, show that trained male and female runners who consumed a diet composed of as much as 42 percent fat had higher levels of high-density lipoproteins (HDL) in their blood than when on a diet of only 16 percent fat. HDL is the form of cholesterol known to lower the risk of coronary heart disease. LDL, or low-density lipoproteins, is known as the "bad cholesterol" because it has the opposite effect. The runners, who trained at least 35 miles a week, did not gain weight on the high-fat diet or show an increase in any risk factors for coronary heart disease. "Liberalizing the fat content gives athletes more calories, and it certainly doesn't harm their health, like everyone thought," said John Leddy, M.D., associate director of the UB Sports Medicine Institute and primary author of the study. "We thought the cholesterol ratio would get worse, but LDL and total cholesterol didn't change, and HDL went up. The best thing happened that could have happened.
                            Wingz


                            Professional Noob

                              *yawns* Slow day at the office, Hefty?

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                                so what should i eat so that i won't die Confused
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