Sub 1:30 Half Marathon 2021 Edition (Read 448 times)

    Great job on the win Mark.

    55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

    " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

    Somewhere in between is about right "      

     

    SteveChCh


    Hot Weather Complainer

      piwi - Nice week, great consistency.

       

      Mark - Nice week and well done on the cross country win.

       

      JMac - Lots of good advice already so I'll just say I hope you manage to get it under control soon.

       

      darkwave - Good effort hanging in there on what sounds like an off day.  You may not consider it too hot, but I'd prefer about 10C lower than that to race.

       

      me - Another taper week.  The running felt fine and nice to hit some HMP on Wednesday.  The MP block on Saturday felt ridiculously easy, which hopefully is a hint to what benefit the taper can have on race day.

       

      Sorry to keep mentioning it but it's a significant factor at the moment - another challenging week with Mum as things continue to go downhill fast.  The best example is when I called yesterday.  They took her the phone and between being handed it and putting it to her ear she forgot about it so I couldn't talk to her.  She's going into hospital level rest home care on Wednesday and I'm hoping in a couple of weeks things might be better in a stable environment.  The best part is by some miracle I found a place where her cat can live with her too.  This is the #1 issue for her.  My sleep has not been good for 5 nights or so now.  I'm probably averaging about 4 hours a night so I need to get that sorted this week.  The most infuriating part of the whole process is the number of people giving advice or criticising my decisions when they have been nowhere to be seen for years.

       

      Weekly for period: From: 14/06/2021 To 20/06/2021

      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
      in m
      14/06 Warm up 0.29 0.47 00:02:46 09:32 05:53 0
      14/06 Easy 10km 6.36 10.23 00:50:05 07:52 04:54 11
      16/06 Warm up 0.29 0.46 00:03:00 10:21 06:31 0
      16/06 70 mins incl. 10 x 2 mins @ HMP 9.40 15.12 01:10:11 07:28 04:39 13
      17/06 Recovery 4.05 6.51 00:37:12 09:11 05:43 6
      18/06 Warm up 0.29 0.47 00:02:47 09:36 05:55 0
      18/06 Easy 6km 3.80 6.11 00:30:05 07:55 04:55 7
      19/06 Warm up 0.28 0.45 00:02:46 09:53 06:09 0
      19/06 5km @ MP 10.00 16.08 01:16:46 07:41 04:46 13
      20/06 Recovery 4.05 6.51 00:35:46 08:50 05:30 6

      Total distance: 62.42km

      5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

       

      2024 Races:

      Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

      Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024

      Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

      Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

      JamesD


      JamesD

        JMac - Your mystery upper leg issue sounds like what I had at the start of a long run 10 days ago.  If so, mine wasn’t as serious, because it went away after I stopped, walked a bit, and ran slowly for a while.  I did some extra rolling for a couple of days afterward, but I don’t know if that made a difference.

         

        darkwave - If you ran the best race you had in you on the day, that’s good regardless of the time.

         

        Mark - Nice job on the win.

         

        Steve - Hang in there.  Both my parents had dementia before they passed away a few years ago, and I know it can be draining.  Sounds like the taper is going well physically.

         

        Me - Some of my leg troubles lessened this week, but the hamstrings/glutes are still a problem, and I’ve pretty much given up on doing a 5-mile race in a couple of weeks.  I shortened my first two runs of the week, which seemed to help a bit.  On Wednesday I ran in the afternoon for the first time this summer - usually go in the morning when there’s a little less heat and much more humidity.  88/31 degrees with bright sun but only 33% humidity felt strange.  The sun & heat felt like a strong initial blow, but without the humidity there wasn’t the energy-sapping impact over time.  I did cut the tempo short by half a mile, but that was because the too-sweet cold slushie I drank beforehand was giving me stomach trouble.  Am enjoying watching the U.S. track Olympic trials.

         

        Sun - 6.2 miles recovery (1:06)  on treadmill

        Mon - 7.3 in park @ 8:37, each loop faster, TDP 150

        Tues - off

        Weds - 7.2 miles in park including 3.5 @ 6:55, TDP 143

        Thurs - 9.8 recovery (1:44) on treadmill

        Fri - off

        Sat - 10.7 progression (1:39) on treadmill

         

        Total - 41.3 miles

        YTD average - 48.2 mpw 



        Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)

        '24 Goals: consistency, age-graded PRs, half < 1:32

        flavio80


        Intl. correspondent

          Jmac - I think you have a doctor that you consult already, but I’d say also hit up one of the local running clubs and see where they take their athletes when they’re injured. 

          They always have an excellent PT to recommend.

          Long term, strength training of course.

           

          Piwi - One more converted to the strength training club 💪

           

          Mark - nice job winning that race

           

          Darkwave - tough day to race but great job hanging in there.

           

          Steve - My best wishes to you and your family. I agree, there’s always people who don’t do shit and then come up to criticise.

           

          me - A nice week. Monday evening to Tuesday morning I had a very sore throat and I was very worried. Had to skip the Tuesday run Tuesday morning. But then somehow recovered during the day and managed to run the workout in the afternoon at 3pm. Very unpleasant.

          Nice long run today keeping it around MP + 30 to 45 seconds, except the last 3 miles as I tried to come back home a different way and hit a mile of continuous climb.

          We're in Portugal now and it's incredible how everything is so similar in Brazil. The people, the food, the architecture.

          It seems Portugal is what Brazil will be in perhaps 50 years.

          Weekly for period: From: 14/06/2021 To 20/06/2021

          Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
          in m
          15/06 8x400 6.32 10.17 00:54:03 08:33 05:19 16
          16/06 Morning Run 8.20 13.19 01:06:27 08:06 05:02 57
          17/06 6x(1000 w 2'E) + 5x30s hard 9.55 15.36 01:11:26 07:29 04:39 35
          18/06 Morning Run 8.01 12.89 01:04:58 08:07 05:02 47
          19/06 6 mi + 5x12s uphill sprints 6.50 10.46 00:53:16 08:12 05:06 61
          20/06 Long run at MP +30to45seconds 17.01 27.37 02:10:22 07:40 04:46 180

          Total distance: 89.43km

          PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

          Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

          Tool to generate Strava weekly

          zebano


            Piwi Honestly not sure if you're serious or just joking. Either way keep up the strength work! That 8k tempo is impressive.

             

            Mark Congrats on the victory. Every favorite needs a villain!

             

            DW I'm impressed by how well you self pace. Everyone who ran there said it was hot.

             

            Steve Sorry about your troubles. Best of luck. At least the lack of sleep doesn't seem to be impacting your running.

             

            James  considering all the random troubles you've had the 3.5 @6:55 is extra impressive. Looks like you're in pretty solid shape.

             

            Flavio That 3:35KM is spicy! but that MP +30 run is extra impressive and even qualifies as a long run in the other thread 

             

            Personally my cross training is winding down a little which is leaving me fresher for running but coach gave me a really hard one this Friday which I moved to Saturday due to life interfering.

             

            Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
            in ft
            06/14 Back in the water - a few drills 0.80 1.28 00:28:06 35:08 21:57 0
            06/15 Warm up 2.98 4.80 00:25:48 08:39 05:23 46
            06/15 Tuesday Morning Track 4.73 7.61 00:37:25 07:55 04:55 0
            06/15 Squat day 0.00 0.00 00:26:27 00:00 00:00 0
            06/15 Rec swim 0.28 0.46 00:10:16 36:40 22:19 0
            06/16 A very Wanatee Morning 3.30 5.31 00:30:11 09:09 05:41 75
            06/17 Thorsday 12.43 20.00 01:58:32 09:32 05:56 617
            06/19 Off the back. 2x4x400 6.80 10.93 00:58:48 08:39 05:23 112
            06/19 Lunch Ride 2.93 4.72 00:12:33 04:17 02:40 125
            06/19 Deadlift day 0.00 0.00 00:40:00 00:00 00:00 0
            06/19 Rec swim 1KYd 0.23 0.37 00:19:58 86:49 53:58 0
            06/19 Testing the gravel wheelset 2.90 4.66 00:12:31 04:19 02:41 131
            06/20 90' 10.35 16.66 01:30:23 08:44 05:26 308

             

             

            40 mi running

            2200 yd swimming

            ~6 mi biking

            lifting twice ~1h 10m

             

            Next week I'll do a couple of workouts then head up to Lutzen MN for a mtn bike race which I'm just trying to complete with my brother yd rather than compete in. After that I have only running events for the rest of the year but I'm considering one more sprint Triathlon.I know coach wants me to push weekly mileages up over 50 sooner rather than latter so that's probably the priority.

            1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

              Flavio excellent week especially with all your traveling.

              Portugal sounds great 👍

               

              Zebano actually I was serious for once. I can really feel power in my upper legs especially on the tempo which leaves my lungs with a rest.

              55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

              " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

              Somewhere in between is about right "      

               

              Marky_Mark_17


                Steve - good job getting it done despite everything else.  The rule of thumb I'd tend to follow in this situation is that people's advice or criticisms should be given weight in direct proportion to how frequently they have actually lifted a finger to help (or are likely to do so).  Given you are doing pretty much all the work and your mum's safety and wellbeing certainly seems to be the number one priority in those decisions, that means probably the only opinion that actually counts is yours.  My mum had the same challenge when my grandmother got dementia - a particular aunt was particularly generous with her opinion but never actually lifted a finger to help.  As the saying goes - opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one.  Anyway hopefully you get some better sleep this week.  No need to apologise either, it sounds like a very tough situation.

                 

                Flavio - seems like you should be the international correspondent on this thread, you're certainly the most-well travelled!  Nice week and good job on that LR in particular.

                 

                James - good week, definitely find the same in terms of humidity vs. absolute temp, JMac posted a reasonably helpful guide to that a few pages back.,

                 

                Zebano - nice week, so many different sessions in there I almost lost count!

                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                * Net downhill course

                Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                watsonc123


                  Piwi, Mark, Flavio, Zebano, James and Steve - nice weeks.

                   

                  Mark - congrats on the win.  When you say a negative split, I think you mean positive split?  Negative split means you speed up in the second half of the raise.

                   

                  Steve - best wishes with your mum.

                   

                  Darkwave - sorry your marathon didn't go as well as hoped.  The good thing about having a negative split strategy is that on a bad day, the blowout is less.

                   

                  My week was very light.  The cross country race the weekend before, plus the weeks leading up to it (moderate mileage, heaps of elevation) seems to hit me really quickly.  Got very tired with very tight Gastrocnemui calf muscles, plus my hamstring was a little niggly.  So end up taking three full days off.  Will run very soon, so hopefully this week will be good.

                   

                  Weekly for period: From: 14/06/2021 To 20/06/2021

                  Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                  in m
                  14/06 Evening Run 2.90 4.67 00:27:40 09:32 05:55 15
                  15/06 Evening Run 2.96 4.76 00:27:48 09:24 05:50 15
                  16/06 Evening Run 4.35 7.01 00:37:46 08:41 05:23 23
                  17/06 Afternoon Run 4.64 7.47 00:40:31 08:44 05:25 8

                  Total distance: 23.91km

                  PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                   

                  40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                   

                  2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                   

                  2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                    Piwi  nice week you killed that workout too

                    Mark nice week god job on the race hope your coach is doing better

                    Steve nice week sound like the taper is going well hang in there with you mum don't worry about what the other think, good news about her cat being able to go with hope you get your sleep sorted out soon it can be draining.

                    James  nice week hope you continue to get your issues sorted out.

                    Flavio nice week and good job on the pace work you are getting closer now in Portugal!

                    Zebano nice week

                    Watson nice week sorry to hear about your calf muscle hope nothing serious

                    DW nice job on your race thought it was not what you were hoping for, way to get it done.

                     

                    for me I was at about 36 miles of Running this week.

                    I also spent some time in the pool at the house and actually swam a few laps which didn't amount to much but got in some exercise between the drinks 

                    On a down side my big toe on my right foot started acting up Saturday night just out of the blue. it came around by the time I ran on Sunday afternoon but it was sore again post run.  still sore this am.

                    Also I've been starting to think about changing gears in prep for my 1 mile race but not sure when or what to do...

                     

                    Weekly for period: From: 06/14/2021 To 06/20/2021

                    Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
                    in ft
                    06/15 Afternoon Run 9.02 14.51 01:22:55 09:12 05:43 308
                    06/15 Walk with Becky in Neighborhood 1.93 3.10 00:46:28 24:05 14:59 82
                    06/16 Evening Walk with Becky in Neighborhood 1.00 1.61 00:19:20 19:20 12:00 0
                    06/17 Evening Run 7.05 11.35 01:05:41 09:19 05:47 154
                    06/19 Morning Run 13.21 21.25 01:56:01 08:47 05:28 440
                    06/19 walk at Duncan park 1.00 1.61 00:24:00 24:00 14:54 0
                    06/20 Afternoon Run 7.10 11.43 01:08:22 09:38 05:59 56

                    Total distance: 40.30mi

                    PR's

                    1m  5:38 (2018)

                    5k    19:59 (2019)

                    HM  1:33:56 (2018)

                    FM  3:23:07 (2018)

                    darkwave


                    Mother of Cats

                      Steve  - so sorry you are dealing with this.  That advice of others thing is absolutely infuriating, and the last thing you need to deal with.

                       

                      I'll drop off my race report

                      and my week:

                      31 miles running, 500 yards swimming, and 2 hours pool-running

                      M: 1 hour pool-running and streaming yoga.
                      T: 8 miles, including a track workout of 400, 3x800, 400 in 88, 3:01, 3:02, 3:01, and 85. Followed with 500 yards recovery swimming.
                      W: 4 miles very easy (9:10) and light upper body weights/core.
                      Th: Travel.
                      Fr: 2 miles shakeout (9:22)
                      Sa: 1200m warm-up and then Grandma's Marathon (3:18:54 - split as 1:37:56/1:40:58
                      Su: 1 hour pool-running.

                       

                      I'm taking the next week off from running.

                      Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                       

                      And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                        Corey pool and drinks sounds great 👍

                        I'm no mile expert but you will need to do some fast stuff at mile pace like 200s I would think ?

                         

                        Darkwave thanks for the race report.

                        A couple of things stand out for me.

                        Most of us don't sleep well the night before but 2 nights of crappy sleep will leave you feeling pretty ordinary.

                        When we sleep in a strange bed our bodies automatically go into a mode where we can't fall into a deep sleep.

                         

                        The start sequence was very confusing for you. Even not having a definitive start time must take away some adrenaline. Then the mess of not grading the runners for start priority is a pain for you.

                        I picture myself as one of those older male runners in Vaporflys 

                        I also wonder if you could learn to use your watch for splits when racing.

                        You mention it as not demoralizing when you can't see your pace slow but I actually find it motivates me to give more.

                        Even if that's not possible 

                        55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                        " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                        Somewhere in between is about right "      

                         

                        JMac11


                        RIP Milkman

                          Thanks guys for the tips. I probably should go to a doctor, but I'm just so fed up with them in the USA because it is always a rest diagnosis. I wish I could go straight to a PT without having to go to a doctor first. I'll see how this mystery upper leg industry progresses. Took 4 days off, going to try to run today. I think it's my adductors, but not 100% sure, which is so bizzare

                           

                          Flavio - Can you explain the purpose of a MP+30 run that is consistenly run at that pace? I only see actual MP, or progression to MP+30. Rarely see MP+30 straight. Feels like the dead zone but have seen something similar with Kipchoge.

                           

                          Corey - would look to some of the other ugys for mile advice. Think it's very tricky for anyone over the age of 30 even. I seem to get injured even training for 5Ks.

                           

                          Zebano - really nice week of variety. I am lazy and only run. Probably why i get injured 

                          5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                           

                           

                          darkwave


                          Mother of Cats

                            Jmac - belated, but a thought on your issue.  When I hear of an injury that is moving all around and not constant, there are two possibilities that come to mind.  One is a nerve issue that is referring pain to the area; the other is that there is an issue somewhere else, and that the "injury" that keeps moving is the result of compensation.

                             

                            For example, as previously discussed, I'm still working through some stability issues with my right ankle.  As a result of that stability issue, I have evolving issues with my left leg.  One day it's the left hamstring, next day it's the left IT band, next day it's the inside of my left knee.

                             

                            Just something to consider.

                             

                            Piwi - it's not hard to learn to look at splits on one's watch :P.  I just choose not to.  I raced that way for several years when I started running, and always underperformed - my head just got in the way of my body.    About 10 years ago, I decided to take a leap of faith and do a 10 mile race without looking at my watch - just stay relaxed and run whatever felt right.  And without ever really running very hard, I ran surprisingly close to my then 10 mile PR, with the last mile faster than what was then my current 5K PR pace.

                             

                            Ever since then, I've raced just off of effort - turn off the analytical numbers part of my mind and just go.  I've had many great races that way.  Every once in a while, I've tried running a tempo while checking splits with my watch, and it's always gone horribly.  So I see no reason to revisit racing with splits.

                             

                            I am about 90% sure that I would have dropped out at the half-marathon mark if I had known I had split 1:37.

                            Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                             

                            And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                            SteveChCh


                            Hot Weather Complainer

                              Thanks all for the kind words.

                               

                              darkwave - Nice race report.  Sorry the race didn't go to plan.  I would say stick with what obviously works for you, one race doesn't change that but you clearly already know that.  Maybe it's a good thing not to know if you would have dropped out?  Or would you prefer to have known to save yourself for another day?

                               

                              me - I slept much better last night but as is often the case when very tired, I woke up feeling exhausted.  I suppose I could have slept in and missed my weights and strength training.  I took yesterday off and will take tomorrow off too for the move into the rest home.  I probably didn't need yesterday off time wise, but I did need it to try and rest up and for my sanity.  I'm glad I have 5 more sleeps to hopefully get right.  Of course, now I'm at work all I can hear is coughing and sneezing....

                               

                              weather - The forecast is for rain and strong north westerlies which has always been my worst case scenario for Wellington.  It's been stable for a few days so I'm just going to get into the mindset that it will be bad.

                              5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                               

                              2024 Races:

                              Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                              Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024

                              Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                              Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                              Marky_Mark_17


                                Darkwave - I enjoyed the RR, wow that lack of air conditioning would've been tough.  Sorry the race didn't go how you'd hoped but it sounds like you've made peace with (much faster than I would have done!) and by all accounts it sounds like something was just a bit off.  And with racing, and especially marathons, something just a bit off can make a big difference.

                                 

                                Also, that Pork Power sign would've been hysterical.  Someone didn't think that through (or had already paid for it...).

                                 

                                Watson - yes I meant positive.  It was a bit ugly (but fun).

                                 

                                Corey - nice week, hope that toe comes right soon.

                                 

                                Steve - ugh.  Prevailing northerly.

                                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                                Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"