Sub 1:30 Half Marathon 2021 Edition (Read 428 times)

Running Problem


Problem Child

    My air quality just went from 100 to about 380. This sucks.

    Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

    VDOT 51

    5k19:35 | Marathon 2:59:10

      I had a good running week due to lockdown 

      Nothing special but I did a fast 14km portion within my 20km run today and averaged about 3.55/km for that section.

      16/08/2021 To 22/08/2021

      Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
      in m
      16/08 Afternoon Run 6.22 10.01 00:47:44 07:40 04:46 7
      17/08 Afternoon Run with Grayson 6.34 10.21 00:50:40 07:59 04:58 4
      18/08 Lockdown 1 with Grayson 6.23 10.02 00:48:27 07:47 04:50 13
      19/08 Day 2 lockdown with Grayson 6.24 10.04 00:44:22 07:07 04:25 19
      20/08 Morning Run 6.23 10.03 00:42:43 06:51 04:16 2
      20/08 Afternoon Run 3.73 6.00 00:31:57 08:34 05:20 0
      21/08 Low ❤ rate 7.47 12.02 01:01:34 08:15 05:07 14
      22/08 5k wu 14k tempo 1k cd 12.45 20.03 01:25:32 06:52 04:16 6

      Total distance: 88.36km

      50+ PBs -  

      5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

      10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

      Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

      " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

      Somewhere in between is about right "      

       

      Marky_Mark_17


        RP - I'm assuming higher is not better when it comes to air quality scores 

         

        Piwi - dammit you beat me again haha.

         

        Me - I'd say 1% chance of National Road Champs happening in 2 weeks and National HM Champs in 4 weeks is probably 50/50.  At least there's some Oct/Nov races to look forward to but it's kinda demoralising.  I know my 10k road PB is ripe for a takedown, today might not have been the day at the (cancelled) Auckland Road Champs as it's windy here and no doubt worse at the race venue which is an infamous wind tunnel.  Almost certainly would've got it at Nationals though.  Anyway because of that my week tilted very quickly from a slight taper for a non-goal race to a decent week of work, and I went for a very hilly long run today.  Just have to remember not to overdo the training just because it's lockdown.

         

        Weekly for period: From: 16/08/2021 To 22/08/2021

        Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
        in m
        17/08 That run where the wind was probably good practice for Sunday 8.71 14.02 00:55:32 06:23 03:58 73
        18/08 That run where lockdown means Greenhithe and Rosedale hills, not boosting along Tamaki Drive 8.58 13.81 01:00:51 07:06 04:24 176
        19/08 That run where four races in six weeks is now three races in six weeks and frankly even that’s a bit hopeful 9.45 15.20 01:00:24 06:23 03:58 87
        20/08 That run where I’m sure there were less cars on the roads last time we were in level 4 🤷‍♂️ 3.74 6.02 00:27:35 07:23 04:35 83
        21/08 That run where I’m not sure I love the Kinvara 12 8.19 13.18 00:51:15 06:15 03:53 110
        22/08 That run where it was not Auckland Road Champs 15.55 25.02 01:51:18 07:09 04:27 393

        Total distance: 87.24km

        5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

        HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

        * Net downhill course

        Last race: McKinnon Shield #1 3000m, 9:07.7 (PB) (Nov-21)

        Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

        SteveChCh


        Hot Weather Complainer

          RP - Yuck, that is nasty.

           

          piwi - Nice week.  That run today was awesome!  You are in great shape.

           

          Mark - Sorry about the race(s) you're missing.  Auckland could be restricted for a month the way it's going.  Solid week, hope you get a crack at that 10km at some stage.

           

          me - I had a pretty good week.  I had some soreness in my calf after Monday's run so had an easier Wednesday workout just in case but thankfully it was a false alarm.  Saturday was a decent workout - slightly pared back from my huge failed progression run 2 weeks ago.  There was a strong northeasterly and everywhere I run from home is exposed so I decided to go into the wind first.  This meant the first 4km of work was into the wind, then the harder work was with the wind.  My heart rate data is interesting - at the end of that 4km block it peaked at 170 then dropped back.  This ties in with how I felt - the 4:30/km felt like a harder effort than the 4:15/km due to the wind.  I guess having a tailwind for the faster pace is kind of cheating but maybe balanced out by the toll taken into the wind.  I only started to feel under the weather during the 4km easy pace at the end and when I finished I was quite shaky on my feet.

           

          I'll enter Dunedin tomorrow just before the price increase if it is announced that we are dropping down a level of restrictions which I expect to happen while there are no South Island cases.

           

          Weekly for period: From: 16/08/2021 To 22/08/2021

          Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
          in m
          16/08 Warm up 0.28 0.45 00:02:51 10:11 06:20 0
          16/08 70 mins easy pace 9.14 14.71 01:11:20 07:48 04:51 20
          18/08 Warm up 0.29 0.46 00:02:47 09:36 06:03 0
          18/08 70 mins incl. 3 x (10 mins @ 4:30/km, 2 mins easy) 9.41 15.14 01:10:31 07:30 04:39 22
          19/08 Recovery 5.53 8.90 00:46:07 08:20 05:11 18
          20/08 Warm up 0.28 0.45 00:02:48 10:00 06:13 0
          20/08 Easy 10km 6.47 10.42 00:50:13 07:46 04:49 15
          21/08 Warm up 0.29 0.46 00:02:43 09:22 05:54 0
          21/08 24km incl. 4km @ 4:30/km, 3km @ 4:15/km, 2km easy, 3km @ 4:15/km 14.92 24.01 01:50:59 07:26 04:37 49
          22/08 Recovery 5.05 8.13 00:44:38 08:50 05:29 13

          Total distance: 83.13km

          PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

          Recent Races:    Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon 1:29:32  November 7, 2021

          Race plan:  Christchurch Marathon April 10, 2022 (Target: Sub 3:20)

          watsonc123


            There is ZERO chance that the national road champs is in two weeks.

             

            Dunedin on 10 September, I give 1%.

            PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

             

            40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

            Marky_Mark_17


              There is ZERO chance that the national road champs is in two weeks.

               

              Dunedin on 10 September, I give 1%.

               

              You have such a knack of lightening the mood, Watson.

               

              I said 1% for National Road Champs for the specific reason that National XC Champs was able to go ahead at Level 2 last year, the club and ANZ events are able to be managed to fit within the 100 person cap.  There is no chance the North Island is at Level 1 in 2 weeks, but there is the faintest of outside chances of being at Level 2, hence 1%.

               

              I think you're being too harsh on Dunedin as well.  If there's no cases in the South Island in the next few days I would say the likes of Steve will rightly be clamouring for the lockdown to be lifted there albeit Level 1 is probably still a little way off.

               

              For the record I'm sure we had a similar debate this time last year about Rotorua Marathon which ended up going ahead (albeit with no Aucklanders allowed).

              5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

              HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

              * Net downhill course

              Last race: McKinnon Shield #1 3000m, 9:07.7 (PB) (Nov-21)

              Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

              "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

              watsonc123


                I cannot see Auckland and/or Wellington getting to Level 1 in two weeks, as there are community cases.  So even if the rest of NZ goes to Level 1, I don't think that it would go ahead as Wellington and Auckland have the majority of the best runners.

                 

                And yes, you're right in that I didn't think Rotorua would happen.

                PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                 

                40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                SteveChCh


                Hot Weather Complainer

                  Dunedin is completely dependent on zero South Island cases. And even then, relies on sensible decision making from the govt so I can see why you’d say 1%. I’m still up around 25%

                  PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                  Recent Races:    Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon 1:29:32  November 7, 2021

                  Race plan:  Christchurch Marathon April 10, 2022 (Target: Sub 3:20)

                  Marky_Mark_17


                    Dunedin is completely dependent on zero South Island cases. And even then, relies on sensible decision making from the govt so I can see why you’d say 1%. I’m still up around 25%

                     

                    My 1% is for NZ Road Champs.  Dunedin is definitely higher, probably 25-30%ish.

                     

                    Watson, I think you missed my point that Athletics NZ has been able to hold events at Level 2 before like National XC Champs last year.  Of course the government will probably change the rules now anyway.

                    5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                    HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                    * Net downhill course

                    Last race: McKinnon Shield #1 3000m, 9:07.7 (PB) (Nov-21)

                    Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

                    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                    Running Problem


                    Problem Child

                      marky mark higher is worse. Under 100 would be a WONDERFUL day.

                       

                      It’s currently (9:13pm Saturday) 500 at my

                      work. I doubt you could see beyond 200m and there is no way you’re going to keep it out of your house or a store. At least people walk around wearing masks outside and stay home as much as possible.

                      it dropped to 155 (red starts at 150. ‘Reduce time outside’ ) I could feel my nose itching along the run, my stomach started to get what felt like hunger pains, and I finally decided a Strava badge/weekly miles wasn’t as important as being smart. Legs definitely felt like some muscles have been breaking down but not to a point of limiting the log run. It was a judgement call. My judgement was ‘there is plenty of time to build up an aerobic base if you don’t destroy the base so much you can’t build it. I only went for the run because the numbers were trending down and I was expecting it to get better. It was 300+ all day. 300 is hazardous air. So cutting hazardous in half is what I ran in. So I could have a long run and not completely bail on marathon training.

                      Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                      VDOT 51

                      5k19:35 | Marathon 2:59:10

                      SteveChCh


                      Hot Weather Complainer

                         

                        My 1% is for NZ Road Champs.  Dunedin is definitely higher, probably 25-30%ish.

                         

                        Watson, I think you missed my point that Athletics NZ has been able to hold events at Level 2 before like National XC Champs last year.  Of course the government will probably change the rules now anyway.


                        Yep, I meant Watson’s 1%. If you've got it that low (25-30%), as our resident optimist, I’m even more depressed. I was thinking about it on my walk today, if Dunedin doesn’t happen I may not get a half PB attempt until Wellington in July 2022, or Dunedin in September 2022 if Wellington serves up a non-PB weather day (since we’re moving into warmer weather the few remaining race options could be in warm or hot weather). Very depressing given I’m at peak fitness now. Hopefully I’ll be even better next year but you never know what might happen. 

                        RP - That is awful, really sorry to hear that. That’s the definition of a true lockdown, where leaving home will actually lead to serious health consequences.

                        PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                        Recent Races:    Selwyn Running Festival Half-Marathon 1:29:32  November 7, 2021

                        Race plan:  Christchurch Marathon April 10, 2022 (Target: Sub 3:20)

                        watsonc123


                          Mark - 2020 Wellington Road Champs was done at Level 2.

                           

                          My view is:

                          - Auckland will be level 3 or 4 in two weeks time.  The rest of the country MIGHT be level 2, so the Champs COULD be run

                           

                          BUT

                          - Given the uncertainty for travelling from across NZ, I suspect athletics NZ will make a decision earlier.

                          - South Island athletes might have a flight to Auckland, and then drive down to Hamilton, which they won't be allowed to do.  So they might not be able to make it.

                          - Wellington race is postponed, so I don't know how they would select a Wellington team.  And there is a good chance Wellington will be level 3 or 4 as there are Covid cases here.

                          - There won't be Aucklanders racing.

                           

                          So there would be so many people missing, that even if Waikato is Level 2, it would be a pretty pointless "New Zealand" champs.

                          PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                           

                          40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                            Mark sorry I beat you this week 😃 without trying very hard !

                            It would be cool to see you go sub 33 in a road 10k.

                             

                            Steve wind is a killer for workouts. It messes so bad with paces.

                             

                            Watson nice job keeping the 2020 thread going 👌 😃

                             

                            I think we will probably stay in level 4 next week and then if it's contained in Auckland and Wellington then the other regions will drop down levels.

                            50+ PBs -  

                            5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

                            10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

                            Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

                            " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                            Somewhere in between is about right "      

                             

                            watsonc123


                              Lots of people posting at the same time!

                               

                              RP - where do you live again?

                              PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                               

                              40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                              Marky_Mark_17


                                BUT

                                - Given the uncertainty for travelling from across NZ, I suspect athletics NZ will make a decision earlier.

                                - South Island athletes might have a flight to Auckland, and then drive down to Hamilton, which they won't be allowed to do.  So they might not be able to make it.

                                - Wellington race is postponed, so I don't know how they would select a Wellington team.  And there is a good chance Wellington will be level 3 or 4 as there are Covid cases here.

                                - There won't be Aucklanders racing.

                                 

                                So there would be so many people missing, that even if Waikato is Level 2, it would be a pretty pointless "New Zealand" champs.

                                 

                                I think that you're right and they're probably already planning to move it to later in the year.  No-one's been able to have regional champs, that wouldn't preclude holding nationals but the reality is no-one's been able to have a decent warm-up at regionals so it would devalue the event.  Selection is less of an issue, to be honest each region can pick up to 8 for the regional team in each of seniors and the two masters age brackets, most associations normally struggle to get 8 decent athletes that are prepared to travel anyway.

                                 

                                Last year it got punted to November (ended up being a horrible humid day in Auckland but Waikato might be better).  I'm picking they'll aim for mid-late October (after National Road Relays) or possibly November.

                                 

                                Steve - there's still a pretty decent chance for Dunedin to be honest.  I'm sure my counter was at 30% odds for Rotorua last year and that ended up happening (with a twist).  To be honest, if they drop the SI to level 2 this week, I think there's a reasonable shot that you're at Level 1 by the time race day rolls around.  Fair caveat around our government making sensible decisions though.  Dunedin got canned early on last year so they'll probably do their best to go ahead.

                                 

                                Also, nice week (sorry I forgot with all the arguments about how lockdown might impact races haha). Piwi is right about the wind - it really messes with workouts, right up there with humidity to be honest.  I will actively pick routes to minimise it if it looks like it might be a factor.  It's like running big hills - what you lose on the uphill, you never quite catch up on the downhill.

                                 

                                RP - that sounds pretty horrible.  Yuck.

                                 

                                Irony - not sure anyone else on here is big on thrash metal.  Anyway, Exodus just released a new song... The Beatings Will Continue (Until Morale Improves).  Seemed kinda apt, to be honest.

                                5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                                HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: McKinnon Shield #1 3000m, 9:07.7 (PB) (Nov-21)

                                Up next: Run Orewa 10km, 16 Jan

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"