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I have a confession... the Adios 7s were ladies size 10
55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT
" If you don't use it you lose it, but if you use it, it wears out.
Somewhere in between is about right "
JamesD
Piwi - My first pair of Nike Pegasus Turbo 2s, which I use for tempo runs, was sold to me on eBay as men’s 9.5 with men’s 9.5/women’s 11 in the fine print but arrived marked as women’s 11. They’re fine, and they seem no different from my second pair, which were advertised and are marked as men’s 9.5. Hope the Adios 7s are similarly fine. Glad you (and all the board's Kiwis) are ok. NZ seems to be trying to win natural disaster bingo.
Fred - I too wore Chucks as a kid, either in jr. high or high school. Odd that they're in style now.
After shortening my treadmill & strides days last week and this, my pace improved this week, though some of that probably was due to running in the afternoon instead of the morning. My legs were tired at the end of today’s long run and I faded in the last few miles, but that may have been because I was on my feet for three hours earlier in the day handing out tree seedlings in the same park where I run. A lot of the trees in the park were planted at the same time 80+ years ago, and they’re all coming to the end of their normal lifespan. When it’s windy, I have to keep an eye out for falling limbs.
Sun - 5.7 miles PM in park including strides, 5.2 @ 8:26
Mon - 32 minutes swimming
Tues - 11.7 miles PM in park @ 8:42
Weds - 5.5 miles very slow on TM (66 minutes) + 0:40 walk breaks/6:00
Thurs - 6.2 miles PM in park including strides, 5.7 @ 8:35
Fri - ~40 minutes swimming
Sat - 11.9 miles PM in park @ 8:44
Total - 41 miles
YTD Average - 34.2 mpw
Post-1987 PRs: Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)
'24 Goals: consistency, age-graded PRs, half < 1:32
Piwi - DOH! TBH sometimes the colourways on the womens shoes are quite nice lol.
James - it always surprises me how overall pace can vary from week to week like that... sometimes there's a genuine reason, sometimes "it just does". We have lots of tree limbs strewn around here too for different reasons lol.
Me - pretty solid week. Best track workout in a few weeks on Saturday, but legs were pretty sluggish for Sunday's long run. After so much rough weather, adapting to the heat again was actually a bit of a challenge Thursday and Sunday, given it's gone back to something like normal summer weather with heat and humidity of the non-rainy kind.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48
Up next: Runway5, 4 May
"CONSISTENCY IS KING"
James thanks although I'm pretty sure they are going to be womens 10 US . I have a mate who has really small feet and wears the Adios and I know he often gets ladies sizes so will ask him if he wants to buy them before I return them.
Mark we came up to Auckland today to drop my daughter at the airport then went to the Nike shop at Dressmart. There was some heavy discounts and I nearly rang you to ask your advice on some Nike Tempo Next %. I google reviewed them and while not perfect at $60 I decided to grab a pair.
Nice job on your week.
I'll buy either women;s or men's shoes since I do not have small feet. One thing I have found is to compare the EU size to make sure I get the men's equivalent. And at least for Wave Riders until this current version, the men's ones had some cooler colors than the women's. I also use the EU size when buying differnt shoes on-line.
Waltons ThreadLord
I wear a men's 12½ wide. I don't think they make women's shoes that big.
5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 38:55 (11/23); 10k 49:24 (10/22); 10M 1:29:33 (2/24); Half 1:48:32 (10/22); Marathon 4:29:58 (11/23)Upcoming races: Clinton Country Run 15k, 4/27; Running is Back 10k, 5/12
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DW - Nice race but given the glowing review of the new meds last week I was almost expecting 18:high. Way to crush the headwind mile.
Belated, but you and me both. Neuro said to give them more time, but also let me up the dose slightly - I now take the same thing 4x a day instead of 3x a day.
Zebano- is the hip flexor better?
Steve - that message from your friend-of-a-friend is chilling.
Mick - so you averaged 8 miles on each day you ran - good stuff.
James - I think that being on your feet that long definitely had an effect. We refer to "time on your feet" for a reason.
Marky_Mark- you comment about the women getting the better colorways in shoes, but...I just picked up a new Garmin (255) had had to choose between the smaller size but worse colors, or the large size but better colors (black is my preference always). I ended up going with the smaller one and opting for the grey.
As for the Adios 7 - I am coming to really like it as a workhorse shoe. I have small feet, so I'm generally a women's 7-7.5, which translates to a men's 5.5-6.
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My week:
59 miles running, 1000 yards swimming and 3 hours pool-running.
M: 90 minutes pool-running.T: 12.5 miles, including a track workout of 1600, 2x1200, 2x800, 2x400 with splits of 7:11, 5:05, 4:58, 3:17, 3:16, 95, and 96. 4:48 recovery after the 1600 and 2:4x-3:0x recovery after everything else. Followed with leg strengthwork.W: Upper body weights/core and 10 miles very easy (9:21) plus drills/strides. Th: 90 minutes pool-running and streaming yoga. F: 10 miles, with a 6400m track tempo in 28:35, split as 7:20/7:12/7:04/6:57. Followed with 2 hill sprints, leg strengthwork, and 500 yards recovery swimming.Sa: 10 miles very easy (9:38) and upper body weights/coreSu: 16 miles progressive, split as first 6 averaging 9:06, next 5 averaging 8:04, and next 5 averaging 7:39. Then a half-mile cooldown. Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.
Paces were a bit faster than last week or the week before for the track workouts, so that was nice. A decent chunk of Friday morning's tempo was run in lane three since the track was flooded, so that workout probably would have been a bit faster on another day.
I have a half-marathon in two weeks, and so I did the one and only long run of my half-ass training cycle this weekend (I did 14 easy last week, but that doesn't really feel like a long run). It went OK, I guess. I ran the first two parts a bit fast, but other than that was OK with it.
[I've been focusing on track workouts for this half - having run Chicago and then Houston in the last few months, I don't really feel like I need much in the way of long runs for this half.]
Piwi - haha I wouldn't have been much help on the Nike Tempo Next %'s as I've never tried them, but sounds like a good buy regardless.
Darkwave - at least there are a range of cheap straps widely available for most Garmin watches. I never quite understood why they profile the smaller watches as being more suited to women... one thing I really liked about the Fenix 5S was that I could wear it with business shirts without it making the cuffs uncomfortably tight.
Hey all,
Sorry life continues to kick my butt. My week slowly crashed as I was injured and got sick and took 2 days off. I'm not certain that's enough but I had a great Sunday run and I'm seeing my Chiropactor today for some dry needling which always helps. The hip is sore but didn't impact that run so 🤷♂️
M 6.6 mi E
T 6.6 mi E
W 6.6 mi not E... got back to work and just started shivering. Boss sent me home.
Th rest
F rest
S 1 mile dog jog
S 10 hilly miles! although compared to some of the runs posted here 700 feet of elevation in 10 miles is just a few rolling hills.
I have my fingers crossed that I can race a group 1 mile time trial on Thursday evening with some locals but we shall see.
The main thing to watch out for when buying other gender shoes is widths. The distance conversion in the US is pretty easy (they're off by 1.5 sizes) but women's are typically a B width while men's are a D.
Mark I appreciate my smaller watch for the same reason. I wear it everywhere.
1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)
Zebano - Sorry to hear you feel you're having some setbacks, though the fact you feel Sunday's run was great is a good sign.
Darkwave - Nice workouts. Interesting that the track flooded only on the inside lanes. Never mind - I payed closer attention when I was at the track this morning and saw my track tilts ever so slightly to the inside as well.
Mark - Nice week of work. I give you credit for doing track work and a long run on back to back days.
James - Yikes about having to keep an eye out (up?) for falling limbs. Good week of work.
After a slow start to the week that saw me convert a speed workout into an easy run, things started looking up in the second half. My Thursday pace run went really well and in Sunday's long run (in Hanson lingo that's a run in between HM pace and easy pace), I managed to get the pace of 12 of the 14 miles into a narrow, 20-second range, which is the kind of consistency I've been unable to find so far this year. 45.7 miles / 73.5 km / 7 hours, 30 for the week. The temperature here has been all over the place. I'm seriously thinking about racing a 10-mile trail run on Saturday (a real trail run with lots of elevation and some iffy footing, not a simple XC race like I've been doing lately) and the current forecast is 27º (-3C) with a chance of snow - who could say no to that?
Had 2 decent workouts last week. I'll decide this week which HM I want to do in April.
Monday 40 minutes easy treadmill + strength training
Tuesday rest day
Wednesday am 6.7 miles, 15 mintes easy + 45 minutes marathon effort + 5 minutes tempo a littile inconsistent with the pacing, but considering back in the fall this would have been impossible, I'll take it
Wednesday pm 15 minutes easy/warm up treadmill + strength training
Thursday 20 minutes eassy treadmill
Friday 30 minutes easy treadmill + strength training
Saturday 3.5 with strides
Sunday 10 with 4 miles easy + 4 marathon effort, rest easy. Way more consistent pace wise this time
Regarding the shoe widths and gender, at least with Wave Riders, I haven't noticed any difference between the men's & women's "normal" width. I have also bought some women's wides when Holabird Sports had close out deals and didn't notice any difference in fit.
zabano, hope you continue to feel better.
Fred, I prefer trail races in winter/cold conditions. Less chance of mud and no insects.
Good weeks all.
My week was a very light taper week with one strength session (you'll see the small runs to/from the gym). With Wellington Round the Bays on the Sunday. RR coming very soon.
I very much doubt my May marathon (Hawkes Bay) will happen due to the cylone damage. So I'm contemplating alternatives which are fairly slim pickings in terms of NZ marathons with fields not ridiculously small.
Mark - one option is Taupo, possibly the half due to more competitors. I remember you ran it maybe 2014, the marathon is two laps, the half one. Is it the same course you did? If so, what's the non-paved part of the course like? Is it hard and packed, or is it quite slow?
https://www.taupomarathon.co.nz/marathon
PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)
40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)
2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05
2024 PRs: 5km 20:25
DW: Well since I am lazy and only run on weekdays, it was an average of 10 miles per day (50 total). And this was off of the advise that I should not run more than 70-75 minutes per day on easy days. You on the other hand run 10 miles on easy days and on top of that 2 longer runs per week. Plus the cross training. I don't know how your body can handle that load.
I had read somewhere that men should not run in womens shoes as the material isn't as sturdy for the extra weight (midsole, arch support etc). Looks like another pre-google myth.
Just for the record I wore Chucks and Levi's Jean Jackets before they became a hot item (again).
Fred- great week & same time on feet as me!!!
HM: 1:47 (9/20) I FM: 3:53:11 (9/23)
2024 Goals: run a FM & HM + stay healthy!
Wellington Round the Bays
"5.5" km short Distance
19 Feb 2023
23:03 mat time
16th out of 3456 or 17th out of 4202 depending on how you want to count it
Wellington Round the Bays is the biggest event in my area, at the end of our summer, comprising of a half marathon, 10km and normally a 6.5km. This year due to Frank Kitts redevelopment, the race started in a different place making the short course shorter, with the 10km and half turn around points being a bit further. All races finish at Kilbirnie Park the shorter course is straight there. With the longer courses doing a detour.
The shorter course was advertized as 5.5km. Like many NZ courses, I think this distance was wrong, but in the opposite direction and being more like 5.6km in reality. The 10km and half looked good based off peoples GPSs being just a little "long".
The short course is a very slow field.
I would have liked to do the 10km or half, but my 11 year old was also racing and she was too young for the longer events, and I couldn't leave her alone for a significant period of time at the start. My wife was running the half.
The half starts 7:45am, the 10km at 8:30am and the short course at 9:15am.
We drove in early and dropped my wife off near the start. And we drove to near the finish. And then my 11 year old and I took the bus to the start.
We got there about 50 minutes before our start. The 10km started soon afterwards.
I did a very short warm-up as I wanted to minimize the time away from my 11 year old.
We then got into the starting area. I bumped into Kyle who would run a similar time to me, I pointed out he was way too far back and he should go near the front.
We went near the front, and Kyle also moved up to just behind me.
We started. The first few seconds I went past a few people, some walking, so why they were at the front is a tad annoying.
In the first 200m I passed a lot of people. I'm about 20th, I guess. GPS was all over at the start, suggesting I was running slower than 5 min per km which I don't think I was.
The first km was done in 4:10km, and the field has spread out. First place is clearly much quicker than everyone else.
I run past someone I vaguely recognize, he says "Hi Chris", which I then realize who is (from work, and at another Wellington club).
I get to the end of Oriental Bay and go past the third "woman". The first three "woman" are all U15 girls, of which 3rd and 1st are from my club.
There's a bit of a head wind for the first 2km, once past the end of Oriental Bay it is mainly tail / side wind for the rest of the way. The sun also comes out from the clouds at that point and it's a tad warm.
The third km and fourth km was 3:58 and 3:59. I pass the second woman at this point.
I'm wearing the Adios Pro 2, which is the first time I've used them since the September full. They are very, very nice to run in. I've been racing Parkruns in the Endorphin Pro 1 which I like, but the Adidas are substantially softer and a bit quicker.
I'm working pretty hard now, and am just fading a little. The fifth km is a little painful in 4:04km, I get passed by someone here who is having a strong finish.
There's one official water spray tent and a couple of unofficial ones (people having hoses pouring out from their gardens), somehow I run through them but don't get particularly wet. As mentioned it was warm, and I struggle in any sort of heat racing.
The last 300m the race merges in with the 10km and half. I run past another spectator who I know, Thomas from my club who it turns out won the 10km. I also find out later that a club member came second in the half.
I see my wife finishing (she was a few minutes slower than she hoped). I run past her plus quite a few other slower runners. Kyle who I saw at the start and told him to move up, overtakes me too.
And then there's about 100m on grass to run through. I go through in 23:11 on my watch, which counts at 23:03 mat time, which is all that counts in this race. My wife finishes soon after, and then we wait around for my 11 year for a while.
I'm fairly pleased with the race. I would have been stoked with sub 22, which given the course was long would have been stoked with sub 22:30 so I was pretty close to that. What was most pleasing was the fade was very minor.
The short course has individual entry options and also a family entry option. Bizarrely these entry options change which race category you're in, which is why I'm 16th or 17th depending on what you count.
There's also a buggy entry option which is a different category, which I also excluded which is completely OK with me.
I think I'm fairly good position for three months of marathon lead-up. Although it's likely to be cancelled or moved to later in the year due to the cyclone damage so plans are up in the air right now.