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Also just this month, it was in the news that New Zealand was asked to explain their significant reduction in testing in the last few years ( they said it's due to COVID protocol) https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/new-zealand-given-please-explain-letter-after-drop-drug-tests-2023-03-10/
I actually think their excuse is valid. Our borders were almost completely shut from March 2020 until mid-2022 and most NZ elites train offshore in the US or Europe (or Kenya in Zane’s case lol). So they wouldn’t have had access to athletes outside NZ for the most part. I dunno how they couldn’t just get someone in the US to test them but maybe there’s specific process requirements.
3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)
10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)
* Net downhill course
Last race: Devonport HM, 1 Oct, course PB.
Up next: Omaha HM, 3 Dec, go harder.
"CONSISTENCY IS KING"
Mark I watched that podcast. He is suffering the consequences now and with having a twin who is an elite runner too, he has unfortunately cast a shadow on him even if completely removed from this.
I hate to see someone feeling suicidal though and hope he can get some support.
55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT
" If you don't use it you lose it, but if you use it, it wears out.
Somewhere in between is about right "
Mark I watched that podcast. He is suffering the consequences now and with having a twin who is an elite runner too, he has unfortunately cast a shadow on him even if completely removed from this. I hate to see someone feeling suicidal though and hope he can get some support.
It is rough because it is pretty much a career ender for him, his marriage has broken up, and he's gonna cop it in public big-time. Like you I hope he's got family and friends looking out for him but yeah I can't imagine his twin brother is thrilled about it either.
One of my clubmates just pointed out to me that Zane knew a couple weeks ago the news was coming out. So, he had time to tee up these podcasts etc and plan what he was going to run with. It does smack a bit of a PR campaign.
They do get overseas testers involved. Otherwise you could just base yourself in a different country and never get caught.
I'm wondering what he meant by:I was constantly getting injured in the race shoes I was trying to develop
Was he saying that he was trying to get new race shoes developed, or is he just talking about his sponsors race shoes, which was ASICS. He seemed to have been sponsored by them for a while, and most people highly rate the Metaspeed Sky (and Sky+) so I don't whether that statement has any validity.
PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)
40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)
Yeah that one sounded a little whingey to me too Watson. I think he was involved in the development of that shoe so it has to be what he is referring to. He probably just didn't want to refer to Asics if they were the sponsor that dumped him after Tokyo.
Yeah I remember the COVID shut down you guys had. But like Watson said testing probably happens in collaboration with similar orgs in other countries. Anyways, the point I was trying to make was that, even very developed countries with much more resources for testing could still come short of what is expected of them for one reason or another.
Glute Force
I haven’t heard of a single pro athlete in his/her prime who moved to Kenia for its ugali. But I also don’t know too many personally so I agree, I might be wrong There is massive pressure on East African countries to increase testing and I assume this is actually starting to work. I take the zero hypothesis back!
On to another controversy: there is a 49 year old Italian Trans-lady who is crushing the 200m championships. She has won the Italian title 8 times in a row. The last one was really crushing for the second place female as she would have set a new Italian record.
Valentina fka Fabrizio will however be banned from competing in womens competitions as of end of this month on. Which is unfortunate in a way because I am not aware of any Transgendered competitions. Maybe the World Athletics can create regular competitions on an international level.
Hot Weather Complainer
I haven’t heard of a single pro athlete in his/her prime who moved to Kenia for its ugali. But I also don’t know too many personally so I agree, I might be wrong There is massive pressure on East African countries to increase testing and I assume this is actually starting to work. I take the zero hypothesis back! On to another controversy: there is a 49 year old Italian Trans-lady who is crushing the 200m championships. She has won the Italian title 8 times in a row. The last one was really crushing for the second place female as she would have set a new Italian record. Valentina fka Fabrizio will however be banned from competing in womens competitions as of end of this month on. Which is unfortunate in a way because I am not aware of any Transgendered competitions. Maybe the World Athletics can create regular competitions on an international level.
There is open mens though right? Or masters.
5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23
Upcoming Races:
Foster Park Run 5km November 25
Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024
Christchurch Marathon April 21, 2024
To be clear - that's an age group championship, not open.
I am very glad World Athletics have made that decision to have the women's category to exclude trans-gender.
There's someone locally who was a guy who was a moderately good runner (at best around my level) who transitioned. She has picked up quite a few local Strava segments for the woman (with several other top 10's), I know quite a few woman who really like Stava segments and are pretty annoyed when they get bumped down a place because of that.
You're dead right. Although, I wouldn't describe NZ as particularly well resourced... we probably are relative to many countries but athletics has pretty limited resources and relatively limited government funding compared to some sports. Rugby sucks the oxygen (and $$$) out of everything, followed by cycling, rowing, cricket, league, soccer, netball and probably athletics sits alongside the likes of field hockey somewhere on the third tier. But still, no real excuses outside of Covid border closures (and probably fewer in-competition tests because there were a lot fewer competitions for a while) for us not testing enough, those numbers had better get back up.
Watson - that really sucks…and to be honest in major US cities I am sure that over time the crowns will mostly be in the hands of girls that were born as boys…
my week started with another temperature shock up by 15 degrees celsius and got colder than during the week. It was a good reminder of what “heat” does to performance. I don’t cope well with higher temps.
6 runs, 86k, and 8:30h time on feet. I might have to postpone my marathon debut by two weeks in view of something that came up - this would give me more time to work at this level and therefore hopefully make my debut less painful! Not that big of a deal for me. There is another marathon here in Switzerland just two weeks later in Geneva which is 3-4 hour drive from home.
MJ - I hear you on not loving the warm temps! Nice week though.
Me - woke up feeling very average and a bit congested this morning, and half expected to pull the pin on my run after 10 minutes or so. Once I got going, I felt surprisingly good, so stuck at it for the planned 75 minutes. IDK maybe it was just a bit of tiredness after a lot of workouts this week, hopefully it'll disappear in a day or two. Waterfront HM coming up next Sunday so this'll make race week interesting, along with the question of whether or not my VF3's will arrive in time for race day, and whether we get crappy humid weather (current forecast) or nice cool autumn weather.
JamesD
Last week's runs were boring, just building back after 10 days of pool running & swimming, and I didn’t have much to say, so I didn’t post. This week was better. On Monday, my pace was as good at the same effort as it has been all year, but about four miles in, my right calf started hurting again. I foolishly decided that if it didn’t get worse, I would try to go another half-mile to finish the lap, all the while thinking that it would be back to the pool for the next week or two to rest the calf. By the time I finished the lap, the pain had almost disappeared, and I guess it must have been a cramp. Very unusual, but it didn't return for the rest of the run. For the rest of the week, my other aches & pains were less severe than they’ve been recently, and I kept gradually improving my mileage, so that’s progress.
Sun - 4.1 miles very slow on TM (49 minutes) + 0:40 walk breaks/6:00
Mon - 5.1 miles very slow on TM (61 minutes) + 0:40 walk breaks/6:00
Tues - 6.2 miles PM in park @ 8:41, right hamstring sore afterwards
Weds - 30 minutes swimming, 10 minutes pool running
Thurs - 7.3 miles AM in park @ 8:35, left hamstring sore late
Fri - 7.5 miles very slow on TM (90 minutes) + 0:40 walk breaks/6:00
Sat - 7.8 miles PM cold in park @ 8:42, right hamstring sore late
Total - 37.9 miles
Sun - 45 minutes swimming
Mon - 8.3 miles PM in park @ 8:27, R calf cramp(?) at 4 miles, went away
Tues - 7.5 miles very slow on TM (90 minutes) + 0:40 walk breaks/6:00
Weds - 8.8 miles PM in park warm @ 8:34
Thurs - 44 minutes swimming
Fri - 9.3 miles AM in park cold @ 8:57, felt ok despite being slow
Sat - 7.5 miles very slow on TM (90 minutes) + 0:40 walk breaks/6:00, HR good
Total - 41.3 miles
YTD Average - 31.6 mpw
Post-1987 PRs: Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (2020)
'23 Goals: health; consistency; age-graded PRs; half < 1:30
Mother of Cats
Mick - some good work there. It seems like you are OK with the idea of postponing the marathon and might prefer that?
Marky_mark - your title on 23/3 is gold.
James - good to see you back after the missed week. And I'm relieved that the cramp was just a cramp.
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My week:
53 miles running, 1000 yards swimming and 3 hours pool-running.
M: 90 minutes pool-running and upper body weights/coreT: 10 miles, including a track workout of 2x(1600, 800)+2x200 with splits of 7:00, 3:19, 6:46, 3:16, 48, and 48. 6 minute recoveries after the 1600s, 3:14 recovery after the first 800, and full recoveries for the 200s. Followed with leg strengthwork and 500 yards recovery swimming.W: Streaming yoga and 10 miles very easy (9:24) plus drills and 4 hill sprints Th: 90 minutes pool-running and upper body weights/core. F: 10.5 miles, including a 6400m tempo in 27:57 (7:12/6:57/7:00/6:48). Followed with two hill sprints, leg strengthwork, and 500 yards recovery swimming.Sa: 10 miles very easy (9:39) and streaming yoga.Su: 12.5 miles, including 3.2 miles at marathon effort (23:58 - 7:30 pace), followed by injury prevention work.
Things are continuing to improve and I'm getting more stable on my feet. We added another medication starting last Sunday that basically improves the effectiveness and duration of the stuff that I'm already on, and it seems to be helping.
It's not obvious from the training log, but my ability to handle running in complex situations (crowds, etc) improved dramatically this week. On Tuesday I was able to actually lead a group of runners for the second 1600 and 800 - previously my gait has just gone to hell when I've tried to do that. (yes, I know that sounds crazy, but that's how things have been.)
On Sunday, I ran a 5K (that ended up being 3.2 miles) at marathon effort to get a bit more practice running with crowds. This broke my rule about always racing when running a race, but the 5K was for a cause that's very important to a friend of mine (fighting colon cancer), and I didn't want to race this weekend for multiple reasons, including a late night out last night and my plans to race the Cherry Blossom 10 miler next Sunday. [how is that for a long sentence] So using the race as a chance to practice running at marathon pace in a crowded situation seemed like a way to show up and support her and also do something productive for myself.
[I don't like doing tempos during races because I worry that it builds bad habits - a tendency to conflate tempo effort with race effort. However, marathon effort is far enough from 5K effort that I wasn't worried in this case - especially if I don't make a habit of it.]
Once again, I handled the crowds and some uneven pavement very well - pretty much like a normal person. So that was really encouraging and makes me hopeful for Cherry Blossom next Sunday.
Also, since this is both the Waltons thread and the weather-whining thread (and since Mick opened the door), I'll note that Tuesday's track workout was done in 28 degrees F (-2 C) and Friday's track workout was done in 61 degrees F (16 C). So yep, that's a lot of change.
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Temperatures during my runs went from the 40s (~7 C) to the mid-80s (~29) in the last week. The tornadoes passed north of us, luckily - they seem to be following I-85 heading northeast.