Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 244 times)

CommanderKeen


Cobra Commander Keen

    Welcome to the 2023 Marathon Advanced RacingThread Competitive Jerks Racing Thread!

     

    First, I must thank the previous thread leader, JMac, who ran a great thread and is due for a lack of injuries and a great weather day in early December so he can retire from marathoning and watch hobby joggers from a bench in Central Park while sipping piña coladas out of his Moose Mug in style.

     

    Second, I've changed the name to "Competitive Jerks" as we are trying to welcome more runners as we tend to be pretty direct and honest (not to mention competitive in our own rights), with the occasional bout of purse swinging. Banter can get a bit spicy here, but it’s largely in good fun. That said, if it’s too much The Walton’s Racing Thread is much more lovey-dovey.

     

    Here are the general rules of what we are looking for:

     

    1. Start with an introduction... name, age, gender, location, running history and goals, favourite races, etc.
    2. We strongly encourage everyone to post their weekly training, it can lead to some very helpful discussions and insights.
    3. If you have an upcoming race, let me know and I will add it to the table below.  
    4. We also highly encourage you to get involved with other people. If you only dump your weeklies and ask questions about yourself, you won’t get as much support. This is like give a penny, take a penny. Nobody likes people who only take a penny.
    5. Stick around - even if you're injured or your motivation is low. We all go through these spells and it’s good for people to know how you’re doing. I have yet to make it through an entire year without a period of zero running, but running this thread will keep me around.
    6. Banter is always encouraged. We love debating dead zone running, downhill PRs, and short course PRs. There is no debate though around the GOAT: Kipchoge > Bekele
    7. Do not sandbag your goals.
      1. All members can overwrite your goals if it is obvious you are sandbagging.
    8. Post in mileage. If you want to post in KM, go over to the Waltons You can all analyze your favourite flavour of Good Humour over there. 

     

    For those using Strava here is a link to the weekly generator (thank you Flavio for making this!): Strava Weekly Generator

     

    Very useful spreadsheet from Jack Daniels on race equivalence, training paces, etc.: Electric Blues chart

     

     

    Kiwi Point (temp + dew point) pace adjustment:

     

    100 or less:   no pace adjustment

    101 to 110:   0% to 0.5% pace adjustment

    111 to 120:   0.5% to 1.0% pace adjustment

    121 to 130:   1.0% to 2.0% pace adjustment

    131 to 140:   2.0% to 3.0% pace adjustment

    141 to 150:   3.0% to 4.5% pace adjustment

    151 to 160:   4.5% to 6.0% pace adjustment

    161 to 170:   6.0% to 8.0% pace adjustment

    171 to 180:   8.0% to 10.0% pace adjustment

    Above 180:   hard running not recommended

     

     

    Notable Quotes: 

     

    JMac: Fishy - there's one solution to your problem: get faster  (honorary carry-over from 2022)

    Flavio: Wait what, you won the race and ran a PR? Sounds fishy 😂

    Mikkey: The difference between a BQ and winning a Moose Mug is like chalk and cheese.

    Steve:  I agree with mmikkey that you're looking good for a fast time. 

    Flavio:

    5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

     

    Upcoming Races:

     

    Heartland 50 - May 6

    CommanderKeen


    Cobra Commander Keen

      Race Calendar:

      Runner Date Race Goal Result Comments
       Fishy January 1  Chilly Willy 5k  sub 19:18 (PR) 18:36   Massive PR and 1st OA
      Darkwave January 15 Houston Marathon      
      Mark February 5 Clevedon Country HM sub 1:18    
      DKT February 19 Ft. Lauderdale Marathon      
      Steve February 26 Motorway Half sub 1:30    
      MMerkle February 26 MD/DC RRCA 10 mile club challenge sub 63    
      Steve March 19 City to Surf 12k sub 50    
      DKT March 25 Hungryland 40Mile      
      Mark April 2 Waterfront HM      
      Steve April 16 Christchurch Marathon sub 3:20    
      Fishy  April 17 Boston Marathon  sub 3:09     
       Running Problem April 17  Boston Marathon       
       Mark May 6 Southern Lakes HM      
                 
                 
                 
                 
                 

      5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

       

      Upcoming Races:

       

      Heartland 50 - May 6

      CommanderKeen


      Cobra Commander Keen

        Kyle here, your Glorious and Exalted Thread Overlord. 38 years old from flyover country (Oklahoma), USA. Married (13 years in March) with 3 daughters (ages 5, 8, 11 - functionally 12 right now). I'm an adult-onset runner, starting in July 2015. I jumped in to running headfirst after doing a 5k with my wife's family and discovering I loved it and wondering just how fast I could end up getting at the distance.

         

        I'm not signed up for any races as of yet, though I’m intensely looking for a good HM this spring to notch a 2024 NYC qualifier. After that I'll be switching to true long-range mode, bumping up the endurance all I can.

        I do want to (finally!) win that blasted hilly/hot HM in Texas I go to every year. One possible confounder here is that the race is the weekend before another big one I’m pretty certain to run – no issues as an easy-ish LR, but I won’t be able to go all-out for it.

         

        2022 was a banner year for me. I’ve had great success working with my coach, notching PRs for every distance I raced and topping it off with a marathon that was likely the best race of any distance I’ve ever executed. I’ll certainly set a couple new PRs this year since I consider all my PRs (except for the marathon) to be soft, and I may get in a few new race distances as well.

         

        Mileage/training time history:
        2015: 558 miles, 85:52:07 h:m:s (starting from July)
        2016: 1,912 miles, 252:01:07 h:m:s
        2017: 2,242 miles, 298:12:13 h:m:s
        2018: 2,931 miles, 388:49:29 h:m:s
        2019: 3,172 miles, 429:32:07 h:m:s
        2020: 3,353 miles, 463:06:50 h:m:s
        2021: 3,842.53 mi, 527:19:31 h:m:s

        2022: 4,063.12 mi, 561:19:33 h:m:s

         

        Eventually I'll run out of room in this "yearly increasing mileage" thing, I suppose, but hopefully not this (coming) year.

        5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

         

        Upcoming Races:

         

        Heartland 50 - May 6

        Marky_Mark_17


          Kudos to our new overlord.  Aside from the use of temp plus dew point which is just a made-up number (dew point alone will suffice).

           

          I'm Mark, 41, from Auckland, New Zealand.  One wife, one 5-year old daughter and another pending child (due June).  Accidentally discovered I was good at (and also enjoyed) running in 2015 after a smashed kneecap and ruptured patellar tendon, and kinda went from there including a National Masters HM title (2019) and 10,000m title (2020).  These days I'm trying to take it a little less seriously and have more fun, but the competitive spirit runs pretty strong.

           

          Been a rollercoaster the last three years with lockdowns, PB's, some absolute highlight races and some disappointments too.  2022's theme was "sick" so I'm hoping that's in the past.  Starting off 2023 with a new HM, Clevedon Country HM, in early Feb, which will be hot and slow but at least has some nice countryside and goes past my old house, then Waterfront HM in early April, followed by Southern Lakes HM (AKA the best race in the world) in early May.  I'm a little uncertain how things will pan out from June as, all going to plan, a new baby is probably going to shift the delicate work/training/family balance, but I've got a trail race series planned from May to September.

           

          Mileage history:

          2015: not much (didn't track it)

          2016: 2,686km / 1,669 miles

          2017: 3,612km / 2,244 miles

          2018: 3,613km / 2,245 miles (not an accident)

          2019: 4,146km / 2,576 miles

          2020: 4,436km / 2,756 miles

          2021: 4,371km / 2,716 miles

          2022: 4,176km / 2,595 miles

           

          Goals for 2022:

          1. Have fun

          2. Don't get injured and try not to get sick

          3. Run at least one new race

          4. Survive a newborn

          3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

          10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

          * Net downhill course

          Last race: Clevedon Country Half Marathon, 5 Feb, 1:17:50, 1st overall

          Up next: Waterfront Half Marathon, 2 Apr

          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          DavePNW


            If you want to post in KM, go over to the Waltons You can all analyze your favourite flavour of Good Humour over there. 

             

             

            *analyse

            Dave

            CommanderKeen


            Cobra Commander Keen

               

              *analyse

               

              No love for the American spelling?

              5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

               

              Upcoming Races:

               

              Heartland 50 - May 6

              Running Problem


              Problem Child

                 

                *analyse

                 

                Who is Ana Lyse and why does she spell her name so weird? I thought it was Annalease.

                Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                VDOT 52.45

                5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

                DavePNW


                   

                  No love for the American spelling?

                   

                  Just more in the theme of the rest of the sentence.

                  Dave

                  Running Problem


                  Problem Child

                    I'm scott. I run a lot. My goal for 2023 is to get a NYC qualifier for the 2024 TCS New York Marathon. It is the only goal I have as far as marathons go. I'm running my first Boston marathon. 8 or more years ago I said I'd quit running when I ran the Boston marathon, and I never even wanted to run a half marathon at that point. It became a goal of mine in 2016 when I earned a time entry for the Chicago marathon, failed to obtain my BQ, and worked hard for the next few years to obtain one. I'm blunt, direct, and probably a lot bit crazier than most people. I also severely underestimate my ability to perform well in the marathon and probably enjoy the suffering way too much. Checkers or wreckers.

                    Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                    VDOT 52.45

                    5k19:35 | Marathon 2:56:07

                    mmerkle


                      You can call me Mike or Michael. I am 28 years old and from Baltimore county Maryland, currently residing in Fairfax County Virginia. No wife or kids yet. Started running my junior year of high school. By the time I graduated HS, my PR's were 4:53 mile, 10:35 2 mile, and 17:44 XC 5k.

                       

                      I graduated HS in 2012 and ran the Baltimore marathon that Fall in 3:21:33.

                       

                      I spent the next two years self coached but still competitive and pushing myself. My peak year regarding speed was 2014. Here are some stats from that year

                       

                      Mileage ~ 2,400, 4:45 mile PR (indoor), 10k PR 34:58, 5k PR 17:15 at the half way point of the 10k PR, Half Marathon PR 1:18:04.

                       

                      Sadly I didn't run a marathon or 5k that year. All the above are still my PRs for those distances.

                       

                      For reasons I won't dwell on, I faded away from competitive running the next several years. I kept running casually, but not pushing myself at all, and did not track my data. Then right as the pandemic kicked in, although not for that reason at all, I decided to get back into competitive running again.

                       

                      Last year looked promising with a few short distance race wins, and getting back under 18 for the 5k. My mileage for 2022 is going to come in right around 2,300. I also ran two marathons last year/this year lol. My current marathon progression is

                       

                      3:21:33 Baltimore 2012, 3:06:45 Salisbury 2022, 3:03:21 NCR 2022.

                       

                      My primary goals are to break 3 hours for the marathon and eventually surpass my 2014 shape across the board.

                       

                      Speaking from experience, think at least twice before giving up competitive running. I have before and after pictures in the form of drivers licenses and what I looked like before kind of disturbs me. I am much happier and healthier now and I am the best version of myself when running competitively.

                      JMac11


                      RIP Milkman

                         

                        Just more in the theme of the rest of the sentence.

                         

                        Ha that was my very stupid joke from last year and you caught on. Thank you. Although I got the S correctly 

                        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                         

                         

                        CommanderKeen


                        Cobra Commander Keen

                           

                          Ha that was my very stupid joke from last year and you caught on. Thank you. Although I got the S correctly 

                           

                          I liked the jokes, and so I kept them. Shameless plagiarism.

                          5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                           

                          Upcoming Races:

                           

                          Heartland 50 - May 6

                          JMac11


                          RIP Milkman

                            36 years old living in NYC with my wife and two young daughters. I first discovered I had some running talent like many of you: I was usually the fastest kid in my gym class when running the mile. I wasn't that great in HS though: I broke 19:00 in the 5K only once and was never good at any shorter distance either.

                             

                            After some professional exams in my mid 20s, I decided to pick up running again. Ran a half marathon in 1:43 and almost passed out at the end of the race. I don't know why, but I decided to keep running.

                             

                            I ran my first marathon in 2015 at NYC in 3:12. After telling myself I would run only one marathon in my life, I made a decision at the bar that night that I was going to run NYC again in 2017.

                             

                            My running mileage has been a bit all over the place with injuries though. After a very low year in 2021 due to injuries (mainly a stress reaction in my femur), 2022 turned out to be a banner year, hitting my highest ever.

                             

                            2016 Total: 1281 Miles
                            2017 Total: 1975 Miles
                            2018 Total: 2123 Miles
                            2019 Total: 2635 Miles
                            2020 Total: 2212 Miles
                            2021 Total: 1960 Miles
                            2022 Total: 2830 Miles

                             

                            So, for all of that hard work last year, I finally got my Moose Mug. I am currently drinking out of it right now.

                             

                            Oh no wait. I didn't. My stomach blew up at Grandma's and then again at NYC for two disappointing marathons (2:40 and 2:5X), although NYC wasn't really my fault due to the worst weather for that race ever.

                             

                            So where does that leave me for 2023? There are some B through Z goals of setting new PRs at the 5K and 10K, and potentially at the half (although I worry I'm reaching my limits at that distance), with the Z goal of not throwing up in a Del Taco parking lot at CIM having finally conquered my nausea demons.

                             

                            But in reality, there is just the A goal, and our new leader Keen alluded to it: a Moose Mug at CIM of sub 2:36. This 5K/10K block to start the new year is all in alliance with that goal, as I think I've run too many marathon cycles in a row and need to work on my speed. The new PRs at shorter distances are the goodie bag to go with it.

                            5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                             

                             

                            JMac11


                            RIP Milkman

                               

                              I liked the jokes, and so I kept them. Shameless plagiarism.

                               

                              I respect that and your opening line about me sitting on a bench. Got a literal LOL from me on that one.

                              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                               

                              Fishyone


                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                Notable Quotes: 

                                 

                                JMac: Fishy - there's one solution to your problem: get faster  (honorary carry-over from 2022)

                                 

                                Thanks Keen!!!  This is my motto for 2023.

                                5K 19:18 (2014), 10K 39:40 (2022), 1/2 1:29:07 (2015), full 2:58:36 (2015)