Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 552 times)

CommanderKeen


Cobra Commander Keen

    Welcome to the 2023 Marathon Advanced RacingThread Competitive Jerks Racing Thread!

     

    First, I must thank the previous thread leader, JMac, who ran a great thread and is due for a lack of injuries and a great weather day in early December so he can retire from marathoning and watch hobby joggers from a bench in Central Park while sipping piña coladas out of his Moose Mug in style.

     

    Second, I've changed the name to "Competitive Jerks" as we are trying to welcome more runners as we tend to be pretty direct and honest (not to mention competitive in our own rights), with the occasional bout of purse swinging. Banter can get a bit spicy here, but it’s largely in good fun. That said, if it’s too much The Walton’s Racing Thread is much more lovey-dovey.

     

    Here are the general rules of what we are looking for:

     

    1. Start with an introduction... name, age, gender, location, running history and goals, favourite races, etc.
    2. We strongly encourage everyone to post their weekly training, it can lead to some very helpful discussions and insights.
    3. If you have an upcoming race, let me know and I will add it to the table below.  
    4. We also highly encourage you to get involved with other people. If you only dump your weeklies and ask questions about yourself, you won’t get as much support. This is like give a penny, take a penny. Nobody likes people who only take a penny.
    5. Stick around - even if you're injured or your motivation is low. We all go through these spells and it’s good for people to know how you’re doing. I have yet to make it through an entire year without a period of zero running, but running this thread will keep me around.
    6. Banter is always encouraged. We love debating dead zone running, downhill PRs, and short course PRs. There is no debate though around the GOAT: Kipchoge > Bekele
    7. Do not sandbag your goals.
      1. All members can overwrite your goals if it is obvious you are sandbagging.
    8. Post in mileage. If you want to post in KM, go over to the Waltons You can all analyze your favourite flavour of Good Humour over there. 

     

    For those using Strava here is a link to the weekly generator (thank you Flavio for making this!): Strava Weekly Generator

     

    Very useful spreadsheet from Jack Daniels on race equivalence, training paces, etc.: Electric Blues chart

     

     

    Kiwi Point (temp + dew point) pace adjustment:

     

    100 or less:   no pace adjustment

    101 to 110:   0% to 0.5% pace adjustment

    111 to 120:   0.5% to 1.0% pace adjustment

    121 to 130:   1.0% to 2.0% pace adjustment

    131 to 140:   2.0% to 3.0% pace adjustment

    141 to 150:   3.0% to 4.5% pace adjustment

    151 to 160:   4.5% to 6.0% pace adjustment

    161 to 170:   6.0% to 8.0% pace adjustment

    171 to 180:   8.0% to 10.0% pace adjustment

    Above 180:   hard running not recommended

     

     

    Notable Quotes: 

     

    JMac: Fishy - there's one solution to your problem: get faster  (honorary carry-over from 2022)

    Flavio: Wait what, you won the race and ran a PR? Sounds fishy 😂

    Mikkey: The difference between a BQ and winning a Moose Mug is like chalk and cheese.

    Steve:  I agree with mmikkey that you're looking good for a fast time. 

    Flavio:

    Running Problem: To finish fast first you must finish.

    FishyNear the end of the Half I swear I saw Flavio in a superman costume riding a majestic unicorn!

    Steve: Longboat - I  like the sound of that.  I can imagine how my thread would go...Mikkey and JMac predicting sub 3:10 and me cramping at the 3km aid station. 

    Darkwave: If you earn a moose mug at CIM, I propose replacing it with a pair of gilded roller skates.

    DarkwaveThanks.  To be completely honest, I was wearing Vaporflies when I made the call, so I'm not sure I should get all the credit.

    Mark - This comment sounds surprisingly millennial for a boomer.

    MarkHonestly. You give us Kiwis a hard time about short courses and then run 3.1km and call it a 5km PR.

    Running ProblemBeatles not a fan. Insect or music.

    FlavioRP is already there at the finish line, he managed to PR yet again with a time of 2h54. In the 6 minutes between his arrival and the time both Mikkey and Cal cross the finish line, he already managed to call 207 people to talk about the race, and to write the first 15 pages of his race report.

    Keen -

     

     

     

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    5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

     

    Upcoming Races:

     

     

    CommanderKeen


    Cobra Commander Keen

      Race Calendar:

      Runner Date Race Goal Result Comments
       Fishy January 1  Chilly Willy 5k  sub 19:18 (PR) 18:36   Massive PR and 1st OA
      Darkwave January 15 Houston Marathon      
      Mark February 5 Clevedon Country HM sub 1:18 1:17:50   1st OA
      DKT February 19 Ft. Lauderdale Marathon  3:28:40 Casually decided to run a 50k on a hot day instead  
      MMerkle February 26 MD/DC RRCA 10 mile club challenge sub 63 1:01:37   Goal exceeded, dropping folks the entire way.
      Flavio March 5 Marató del mediterrani - 5k   17:53 New PR!
      DWave March 5  One City Half Marathon 1:32-1:33 1:33:20   Female masters win!
      AndyTN March 11 Germantown Half Marathon sub 1:38 and no porta-poddy stops 1:36:58  No porto-john stops, either! 
      Running Problem March 12 Leprechaun Chase 5k 5:59/mi or faster 18:21  Sandbagged his way to an AG win and huge PR. 
      JMac March 19 NYC Half 1:15:59  1:18:18   
      DKT March 25 Hungryland 40 Mile   7:59:52   3rd overall!
      MMerkle April 1 Salisbury Marathon sub 3   2:59:26 Beautiful pacing despite heavy winds. 
      Mark April 2 Waterfront HM  1:13:59   DNS, illness.
      Darkwave April 2 Cherry Blossom 10 Miler sub 71:19 1:10:19 Got a mug!
      wcrunner2  April 15 Alexander County 12-Hour 40 miles 21.16mi in 5:19:42   
      Steve April 16 Christchurch Marathon sub 3:20  DNF  
      Fishy  April 17 Boston Marathon  sub 3   3:03:56  
       Running Problem April 17  Boston Marathon  2:56:00  2:55:22   Marathon Scott strikes again!
      AndyTN April 23 Whoop All the Elementary Kids 5k 20:20  20:39  
       Mark May 6 Southern Lakes HM    1:15:45  4th OA
      Commander Keen May 6 Heartland 50    9:22:42 1st OA 
      wcrunner2 May 13 Dawn to Dusk to Dawn 50K sub 7:25    
      Fishy May 15 Sugarloaf Marathon    2:59:29  
      AndyTN June 4 Navy Ten Nautical Miler (11.5 mi) 7:25 pace  DNS  
      Steve June 5 Selwyn Marathon      
      wcrunner2 June 16 Six Days in the Dome 12-Hour 40-45 miles    
      Steve July 1 Hagley Park Run sub 18:53 19:02  10th OA 
      Dave July 30 Jack & Jill Half sub 1:32 1:28:58  
      Steve August 5 Hagley Park Run 18:29    
      Steve August 26 Canterbury Road Running Champs 10k 39:59  39:10 PR'd like a boss and snagged 2nd AG 
      AndyTN September 10 MRTC 10k 43:45  43:48  Huge new PR.
      Merkle September 10 Erie Marathon    2:56:47 Crushed it! 
      Steve September 16 Hagley Park Run 5km 18:52 - PR 18:40  Big PR, with room to breathe!! 
      Dave September 16 Cascade Express Marathon 3:15  3:14:03  Massive PR and the AG win! 
      Steve September 24 Run Prix Half Marathon 1:27:58 (NYC Qualifier)  1:26:48 PR & NYC qualifier!! 
      DKT September 30 Tick Tock 6 Hour None 35 miles 2nd female
      Flavio October 1 Köln Half Marathon    1:22:12  
      Mark October 1 Devonport Half Marathon Course PR 1:18:05 Course PR
      Keen October 7 Wurst Race Half Win and/or sub 1:25 if it won't interfere with next week   1:27:27 And the win. 
      DWave  October 8  Chicago Marathon    3:20:29  Trademark consistent pacing.
      Keen October 14 Heartland 100 Win/sub 18   19:24 And the win. 
      Fishy October 14 Baystate Half sub 1:25  1:25:48  
      Merkle October 14 River's Edge Endurance Challenge (6hr)   7 loops, 35 miles 1st OA!
      AndyTN November 4 MRTC Half 1:35:30    
      Merkle November 18 JFK 50 Sub 8 8:   
      DKT November 19 Philadelphia Marathon 3:25  3:29:40 59 sec PR while sick 
      Fishy November 19 Philadelphia Marathon Sub 3 2:56:42  PR and 2nd AG 
      DavePNW November 23 Woodinville Turkey Trot   19:19 5k PR & 2nd AG!
      Steve November 25  Foster Park Run Sub 19 18:34   New PR!
       Cal December 3 CIM

      A: Sub 2:57
      B: Sub 2:58

      C: Sub 3

       2:59:05 He did it again! 
      Mikkey December 3 CIM

       

      DNS   
       Flavio December 3 Valencia Marathon  2:58:59  3:13:54  No cramps, and figured out the marathon. 
      Mark December 3 Omaha Half   1:17:22 Once again outkicked a guy for 2nd OA.
       Keen December 3 Half 'n' Half Half (paved)  NYC Qualifier DNS   
                 
                 

      5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

       

      Upcoming Races:

       

       

      CommanderKeen


      Cobra Commander Keen

        Kyle here, your Glorious and Exalted Thread Overlord. 38 years old from flyover country (Oklahoma), USA. Married (13 years in March) with 3 daughters (ages 5, 8, 11 - functionally 12 right now). I'm an adult-onset runner, starting in July 2015. I jumped in to running headfirst after doing a 5k with my wife's family and discovering I loved it and wondering just how fast I could end up getting at the distance.

         

        I'm not signed up for any races as of yet, though I’m intensely looking for a good HM this spring to notch a 2024 NYC qualifier. After that I'll be switching to true long-range mode, bumping up the endurance all I can.

        I do want to (finally!) win that blasted hilly/hot HM in Texas I go to every year. One possible confounder here is that the race is the weekend before another big one I’m pretty certain to run – no issues as an easy-ish LR, but I won’t be able to go all-out for it.

         

        2022 was a banner year for me. I’ve had great success working with my coach, notching PRs for every distance I raced and topping it off with a marathon that was likely the best race of any distance I’ve ever executed. I’ll certainly set a couple new PRs this year since I consider all my PRs (except for the marathon) to be soft, and I may get in a few new race distances as well.

         

        Mileage/training time history:
        2015: 558 miles, 85:52:07 h:m:s (starting from July)
        2016: 1,912 miles, 252:01:07 h:m:s
        2017: 2,242 miles, 298:12:13 h:m:s
        2018: 2,931 miles, 388:49:29 h:m:s
        2019: 3,172 miles, 429:32:07 h:m:s
        2020: 3,353 miles, 463:06:50 h:m:s
        2021: 3,842.53 mi, 527:19:31 h:m:s

        2022: 4,063.12 mi, 561:19:33 h:m:s

         

        Eventually I'll run out of room in this "yearly increasing mileage" thing, I suppose, but hopefully not this (coming) year.

        5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

         

        Upcoming Races:

         

         

        Marky_Mark_17


          Kudos to our new overlord.  Aside from the use of temp plus dew point which is just a made-up number (dew point alone will suffice).

           

          I'm Mark, 41, from Auckland, New Zealand.  One wife, one 5-year old daughter and another pending child (due June).  Accidentally discovered I was good at (and also enjoyed) running in 2015 after a smashed kneecap and ruptured patellar tendon, and kinda went from there including a National Masters HM title (2019) and 10,000m title (2020).  These days I'm trying to take it a little less seriously and have more fun, but the competitive spirit runs pretty strong.

           

          Been a rollercoaster the last three years with lockdowns, PB's, some absolute highlight races and some disappointments too.  2022's theme was "sick" so I'm hoping that's in the past.  Starting off 2023 with a new HM, Clevedon Country HM, in early Feb, which will be hot and slow but at least has some nice countryside and goes past my old house, then Waterfront HM in early April, followed by Southern Lakes HM (AKA the best race in the world) in early May.  I'm a little uncertain how things will pan out from June as, all going to plan, a new baby is probably going to shift the delicate work/training/family balance, but I've got a trail race series planned from May to September.

           

          Mileage history:

          2015: not much (didn't track it)

          2016: 2,686km / 1,669 miles

          2017: 3,612km / 2,244 miles

          2018: 3,613km / 2,245 miles (not an accident)

          2019: 4,146km / 2,576 miles

          2020: 4,436km / 2,756 miles

          2021: 4,371km / 2,716 miles

          2022: 4,176km / 2,595 miles

           

          Goals for 2022:

          1. Have fun

          2. Don't get injured and try not to get sick

          3. Run at least one new race

          4. Survive a newborn

          3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

          10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

          * Net downhill course

          Last race: Omaha HM, 3 Dec, pushed the limits.

          Up next: The Goat, 20 Jan, don't die.

          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          DavePNW


            If you want to post in KM, go over to the Waltons You can all analyze your favourite flavour of Good Humour over there. 

             

             

            *analyse

            Dave

            CommanderKeen


            Cobra Commander Keen

               

              *analyse

               

              No love for the American spelling?

              5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

               

              Upcoming Races:

               

               

              Running Problem


              Problem Child

                 

                *analyse

                 

                Who is Ana Lyse and why does she spell her name so weird? I thought it was Annalease.

                Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                VDOT 55.2

                5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                DavePNW


                   

                  No love for the American spelling?

                   

                  Just more in the theme of the rest of the sentence.

                  Dave

                  Running Problem


                  Problem Child

                    I'm scott. I run a lot. My goal for 2023 is to get a NYC qualifier for the 2024 TCS New York Marathon. It is the only goal I have as far as marathons go. I'm running my first Boston marathon. 8 or more years ago I said I'd quit running when I ran the Boston marathon, and I never even wanted to run a half marathon at that point. It became a goal of mine in 2016 when I earned a time entry for the Chicago marathon, failed to obtain my BQ, and worked hard for the next few years to obtain one. I'm blunt, direct, and probably a lot bit crazier than most people. I also severely underestimate my ability to perform well in the marathon and probably enjoy the suffering way too much. Checkers or wreckers.

                    Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                    VDOT 55.2

                    5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                    mmerkle


                      You can call me Mike or Michael. I am 28 years old and from Baltimore county Maryland, currently residing in Fairfax County Virginia. No wife or kids yet. Started running my junior year of high school. By the time I graduated HS, my PR's were 4:53 mile, 10:35 2 mile, and 17:44 XC 5k.

                       

                      I graduated HS in 2012 and ran the Baltimore marathon that Fall in 3:21:33.

                       

                      I spent the next two years self coached but still competitive and pushing myself. My peak year regarding speed was 2014. Here are some stats from that year

                       

                      Mileage ~ 2,400, 4:45 mile PR (indoor), 10k PR 34:58, 5k PR 17:15 at the half way point of the 10k PR, Half Marathon PR 1:18:04.

                       

                      Sadly I didn't run a marathon or 5k that year. All the above are still my PRs for those distances.

                       

                      For reasons I won't dwell on, I faded away from competitive running the next several years. I kept running casually, but not pushing myself at all, and did not track my data. Then right as the pandemic kicked in, although not for that reason at all, I decided to get back into competitive running again.

                       

                      Last year looked promising with a few short distance race wins, and getting back under 18 for the 5k. My mileage for 2022 is going to come in right around 2,300. I also ran two marathons last year/this year lol. My current marathon progression is

                       

                      3:21:33 Baltimore 2012, 3:06:45 Salisbury 2022, 3:03:21 NCR 2022.

                       

                      My primary goals are to break 3 hours for the marathon and eventually surpass my 2014 shape across the board.

                       

                      Speaking from experience, think at least twice before giving up competitive running. I have before and after pictures in the form of drivers licenses and what I looked like before kind of disturbs me. I am much happier and healthier now and I am the best version of myself when running competitively.

                      JMac11


                      RIP Milkman

                         

                        Just more in the theme of the rest of the sentence.

                         

                        Ha that was my very stupid joke from last year and you caught on. Thank you. Although I got the S correctly 

                        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                         

                         

                        CommanderKeen


                        Cobra Commander Keen

                           

                          Ha that was my very stupid joke from last year and you caught on. Thank you. Although I got the S correctly 

                           

                          I liked the jokes, and so I kept them. Shameless plagiarism.

                          5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                           

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                          JMac11


                          RIP Milkman

                            36 years old living in NYC with my wife and two young daughters. I first discovered I had some running talent like many of you: I was usually the fastest kid in my gym class when running the mile. I wasn't that great in HS though: I broke 19:00 in the 5K only once and was never good at any shorter distance either.

                             

                            After some professional exams in my mid 20s, I decided to pick up running again. Ran a half marathon in 1:43 and almost passed out at the end of the race. I don't know why, but I decided to keep running.

                             

                            I ran my first marathon in 2015 at NYC in 3:12. After telling myself I would run only one marathon in my life, I made a decision at the bar that night that I was going to run NYC again in 2017.

                             

                            My running mileage has been a bit all over the place with injuries though. After a very low year in 2021 due to injuries (mainly a stress reaction in my femur), 2022 turned out to be a banner year, hitting my highest ever.

                             

                            2016 Total: 1281 Miles
                            2017 Total: 1975 Miles
                            2018 Total: 2123 Miles
                            2019 Total: 2635 Miles
                            2020 Total: 2212 Miles
                            2021 Total: 1960 Miles
                            2022 Total: 2830 Miles

                             

                            So, for all of that hard work last year, I finally got my Moose Mug. I am currently drinking out of it right now.

                             

                            Oh no wait. I didn't. My stomach blew up at Grandma's and then again at NYC for two disappointing marathons (2:40 and 2:5X), although NYC wasn't really my fault due to the worst weather for that race ever.

                             

                            So where does that leave me for 2023? There are some B through Z goals of setting new PRs at the 5K and 10K, and potentially at the half (although I worry I'm reaching my limits at that distance), with the Z goal of not throwing up in a Del Taco parking lot at CIM having finally conquered my nausea demons.

                             

                            But in reality, there is just the A goal, and our new leader Keen alluded to it: a Moose Mug at CIM of sub 2:36. This 5K/10K block to start the new year is all in alliance with that goal, as I think I've run too many marathon cycles in a row and need to work on my speed. The new PRs at shorter distances are the goodie bag to go with it.

                            5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                             

                             

                            JMac11


                            RIP Milkman

                               

                              I liked the jokes, and so I kept them. Shameless plagiarism.

                               

                              I respect that and your opening line about me sitting on a bench. Got a literal LOL from me on that one.

                              5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                               

                              Fishyone


                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                Notable Quotes: 

                                 

                                JMac: Fishy - there's one solution to your problem: get faster  (honorary carry-over from 2022)

                                 

                                Thanks Keen!!!  This is my motto for 2023.

                                5K 18:36 (2023), 10K 39:40 (2022), 1/2 1:24:37 (2023), full 2:58:36 (2015)