Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 553 times)

Welcome to the 2023 Marathon Advanced RacingThread Competitive Jerks Racing Thread!

First, I must thank the previous thread leader, JMac, who ran a great thread and is due for a lack of injuries and a great weather day in early December so he can retire from marathoning and watch hobby joggers from a bench in Central Park while sipping piña coladas out of his Moose Mug in style.

Second, I've changed the name to "Competitive Jerks" as we are trying to welcome more runners as we tend to be pretty direct and honest (not to mention competitive in our own rights), with the occasional bout of purse swinging. Banter can get a bit spicy here, but it’s largely in good fun. That said, if it’s too much The Walton’s Racing Thread is much more lovey-dovey.

Here are the general rules of what we are looking for:

1. Start with an introduction... name, age, gender, location, running history and goals, favourite races, etc.
2. We strongly encourage everyone to post their weekly training, it can lead to some very helpful discussions and insights.
3. If you have an upcoming race, let me know and I will add it to the table below.  
4. We also highly encourage you to get involved with other people. If you only dump your weeklies and ask questions about yourself, you won’t get as much support. This is like give a penny, take a penny. Nobody likes people who only take a penny.
5. Stick around - even if you're injured or your motivation is low. We all go through these spells and it’s good for people to know how you’re doing. I have yet to make it through an entire year without a period of zero running, but running this thread will keep me around.
6. Banter is always encouraged. We love debating dead zone running, downhill PRs, and short course PRs. There is no debate though around the GOAT: Kipchoge > Bekele
7. Do not sandbag your goals.
   1. All members can overwrite your goals if it is obvious you are sandbagging.
8. Post in mileage. If you want to post in KM, go over to the Waltons You can all analyze your favourite flavour of Good Humour over there. 

For those using Strava here is a link to the weekly generator (thank you Flavio for making this!): Strava Weekly Generator

Very useful spreadsheet from Jack Daniels on race equivalence, training paces, etc.: Electric Blues chart

Kiwi Point (temp + dew point) pace adjustment:

100 or less:   no pace adjustment

101 to 110:   0% to 0.5% pace adjustment

111 to 120:   0.5% to 1.0% pace adjustment

121 to 130:   1.0% to 2.0% pace adjustment

131 to 140:   2.0% to 3.0% pace adjustment

141 to 150:   3.0% to 4.5% pace adjustment

151 to 160:   4.5% to 6.0% pace adjustment

161 to 170:   6.0% to 8.0% pace adjustment

171 to 180:   8.0% to 10.0% pace adjustment

Above 180:   hard running not recommended

Notable Quotes: 

JMac: Fishy - there's one solution to your problem: get faster  (honorary carry-over from 2022)

Flavio: Wait what, you won the race and ran a PR? Sounds fishy 😂

Mikkey: The difference between a BQ and winning a Moose Mug is like chalk and cheese.

Steve:  I agree with mmikkey that you're looking good for a fast time. 

Flavio:

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Running Problem: To finish fast first you must finish.

Fishy: Near the end of the Half I swear I saw Flavio in a superman costume riding a majestic unicorn!

Steve: Longboat - I  like the sound of that.  I can imagine how my thread would go...Mikkey and JMac predicting sub 3:10 and me cramping at the 3km aid station. 

Darkwave: If you earn a moose mug at CIM, I propose replacing it with a pair of gilded roller skates.

Darkwave: Thanks.  To be completely honest, I was wearing Vaporflies when I made the call, so I'm not sure I should get all the credit.

Mark - This comment sounds surprisingly millennial for a boomer.

Mark - Honestly. You give us Kiwis a hard time about short courses and then run 3.1km and call it a 5km PR.

Running Problem - Beatles not a fan. Insect or music.

Flavio - RP is already there at the finish line, he managed to PR yet again with a time of 2h54. In the 6 minutes between his arrival and the time both Mikkey and Cal cross the finish line, he already managed to call 207 people to talk about the race, and to write the first 15 pages of his race report.

Keen -

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Kyle here, your Glorious and Exalted Thread Overlord. 38 years old from flyover country (Oklahoma), USA. Married (13 years in March) with 3 daughters (ages 5, 8, 11 - functionally 12 right now). I'm an adult-onset runner, starting in July 2015. I jumped in to running headfirst after doing a 5k with my wife's family and discovering I loved it and wondering just how fast I could end up getting at the distance.

I'm not signed up for any races as of yet, though I’m intensely looking for a good HM this spring to notch a 2024 NYC qualifier. After that I'll be switching to true long-range mode, bumping up the endurance all I can.

I do want to (finally!) win that blasted hilly/hot HM in Texas I go to every year. One possible confounder here is that the race is the weekend before another big one I’m pretty certain to run – no issues as an easy-ish LR, but I won’t be able to go all-out for it.

2022 was a banner year for me. I’ve had great success working with my coach, notching PRs for every distance I raced and topping it off with a marathon that was likely the best race of any distance I’ve ever executed. I’ll certainly set a couple new PRs this year since I consider all my PRs (except for the marathon) to be soft, and I may get in a few new race distances as well.

Mileage/training time history:
2015: 558 miles, 85:52:07 h:m:s (starting from July)
2016: 1,912 miles, 252:01:07 h:m:s
2017: 2,242 miles, 298:12:13 h:m:s
2018: 2,931 miles, 388:49:29 h:m:s
2019: 3,172 miles, 429:32:07 h:m:s
2020: 3,353 miles, 463:06:50 h:m:s
2021: 3,842.53 mi, 527:19:31 h:m:s

2022: 4,063.12 mi, 561:19:33 h:m:s

Eventually I'll run out of room in this "yearly increasing mileage" thing, I suppose, but hopefully not this (coming) year.

If you want to post in KM, go over to the Waltons You can all analyze your favourite flavour of Good Humour over there. 

 

*analyse

 

*analyse

Who is Ana Lyse and why does she spell her name so weird? I thought it was Annalease.

I'm scott. I run a lot. My goal for 2023 is to get a NYC qualifier for the 2024 TCS New York Marathon. It is the only goal I have as far as marathons go. I'm running my first Boston marathon. 8 or more years ago I said I'd quit running when I ran the Boston marathon, and I never even wanted to run a half marathon at that point. It became a goal of mine in 2016 when I earned a time entry for the Chicago marathon, failed to obtain my BQ, and worked hard for the next few years to obtain one. I'm blunt, direct, and probably a lot bit crazier than most people. I also severely underestimate my ability to perform well in the marathon and probably enjoy the suffering way too much. Checkers or wreckers.

 

Just more in the theme of the rest of the sentence.

Ha that was my very stupid joke from last year and you caught on. Thank you. Although I got the S correctly 

36 years old living in NYC with my wife and two young daughters. I first discovered I had some running talent like many of you: I was usually the fastest kid in my gym class when running the mile. I wasn't that great in HS though: I broke 19:00 in the 5K only once and was never good at any shorter distance either.

After some professional exams in my mid 20s, I decided to pick up running again. Ran a half marathon in 1:43 and almost passed out at the end of the race. I don't know why, but I decided to keep running.

I ran my first marathon in 2015 at NYC in 3:12. After telling myself I would run only one marathon in my life, I made a decision at the bar that night that I was going to run NYC again in 2017.

My running mileage has been a bit all over the place with injuries though. After a very low year in 2021 due to injuries (mainly a stress reaction in my femur), 2022 turned out to be a banner year, hitting my highest ever.

So, for all of that hard work last year, I finally got my Moose Mug. I am currently drinking out of it right now.

Oh no wait. I didn't. My stomach blew up at Grandma's and then again at NYC for two disappointing marathons (2:40 and 2:5X), although NYC wasn't really my fault due to the worst weather for that race ever.

So where does that leave me for 2023? There are some B through Z goals of setting new PRs at the 5K and 10K, and potentially at the half (although I worry I'm reaching my limits at that distance), with the Z goal of not throwing up in a Del Taco parking lot at CIM having finally conquered my nausea demons.

But in reality, there is just the A goal, and our new leader Keen alluded to it: a Moose Mug at CIM of sub 2:36. This 5K/10K block to start the new year is all in alliance with that goal, as I think I've run too many marathon cycles in a row and need to work on my speed. The new PRs at shorter distances are the goodie bag to go with it.

 

 

 

 

Notable Quotes: 

 

JMac: Fishy - there's one solution to your problem: get faster  (honorary carry-over from 2022)

Thanks Keen!!!  This is my motto for 2023.