Competitive Jerks Racing and Training - 2023 (Read 575 times)

mt79


     

    It does not! I’ll never get either, but maybe it’s easier to imagine taking bigger chunks off a marathon time, while 5k improvement just seem to come in seconds.

     

    I didn't know what an 80% was until Flavio posted that 2 days ago.  That's a really high bar for anyone.  I just reposted another 5K to line up closer with moose mug and it is almost all above 80% which is not doable for most at any distance. 

    Mikkey


    Mmmm Bop

       

       Also, I like Mikkey's idea for a 5K Mouse 🐭 Mug

       

       

       

      Thank you…It would be cool if you and Steve won a 5k Moose Mug as you’ve both really put in the training at the marathon distance and not had the result you wanted….yet.  Don’t give up. πŸ‘

      5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

      Mikkey


      Mmmm Bop

        The Waltons thread are debating about joining this thread!  Hilarious reading the responses. 

        5k - 17:53 (4/19)   10k - 37:53 (11/18)   Half - 1:23:18 (4/19)   Full - 2:50:43 (4/19)

        SteveChCh


        Hot Weather Complainer

          mikkey - I don't see a 5km MM in my future with any of those calculations...although my age graded percentage was 76% for my last one.  If I hold off slowing down for a few years it's possible.  If I remember correctly, you've won a marathon MM?  Maybe you can be the person to send out the 5km Mikkey Mugs.

           

          Flavio - I think that could work, although I wouldn't want to stay at that level more than 6-8 weeks.  See you on the start line at Christchurch!

           

          My week - More of the same, week 2 of the hill rep base build block.  I changed the route on the hills slightly to avoid a narrow road with no paths which meant I had to go through Victoria Park which is much steeper so it felt harder for longer this week - the hills start to level off in the last 1.5 reps so even with the fatigue it's much easier to lift the pace.

           

          Also, I had a session with Caden Shields (physio + handy marathoner) on Friday and his advice, since everything else has been tried, is to vary my pace within the race to change up my mechanics because something about marathon pace for extended periods doesn't agree with me.  He said either a progression (had already been thinking along those lines with my coach) or a deliberate positive split, go out at 3:05 pace then try and hold on for 3:14ish (my current goal to try and Boston qualify as a back up to New York - 3:20 is the standard for my AG).  I think option 2 is something I may try after a successful marathon or 2 but sounds too much like a suffer fest.

           

          Weekly for period: From: 04/12/2023 To 10/12/2023

          <caption>Weekly Grid</caption>
          Date Name mi km Duration Avg/mi Avg/km Elevation Gain
          in m
          04/12 Warm up 0.33 0.54 00:03:04 09:18 05:41 0
          04/12 Easy hour 7.52 12.11 01:03:27 08:26 05:14 23
          05/12 Warm up 0.33 0.52 00:03:01 09:08 05:48 0
          05/12 Shakeout 3.75 6.04 00:31:36 08:26 05:14 11
          06/12 Warm up 0.32 0.52 00:03:13 10:03 06:11 0
          06/12 Med long with pick ups to finish 9.86 15.87 01:21:05 08:13 05:07 11
          07/12 Warm up 0.33 0.53 00:03:04 09:18 05:47 0
          07/12 Easy hour 7.50 12.06 01:02:54 08:23 05:13 23
          07/12 Warm up 0.33 0.54 00:03:02 09:12 05:37 0
          07/12 Thursday Double 3.89 6.25 00:32:43 08:25 05:14 12
          09/12 Warm up 0.36 0.58 00:03:29 09:41 06:00 0
          09/12 Hill repeats - 5 x 5 mins 9.33 15.02 01:22:56 08:53 05:31 349
          10/12 Warm up 0.34 0.54 00:03:02 08:55 05:37 0
          10/12 Easy Sunday 12.90 20.76 01:48:17 08:24 05:13 37

          Totals: Time: 08:04:53 - πŸ¦…Imperial: 57.10 mi - Metric: 91.88 km

          5km: 18:34 11/23 β”‚ 10km: 39:10 8/23 β”‚ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 β”‚ M: 3:29:54 6/24

           

          2024 Races:

          Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

          Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

          Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024 DNF

          Wellington Marathon June 23, 2024 3:29:54

          Hagley Park Run July 20, 2024

          Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

          Timaru Ten October 26, 2024

          DavePNW


            I ran a 10k PR today of 41:09! Previous PR was 41:30. I felt it was ripe for the picking, and thought I might even be able to go sub-41. I am not a DW-style watch-free racer, so I was paying close attention to my pace. I knew I needed 6:40 for the PR, 6:35 for 41. I went out around 6:35 but drifted to 6:40ish. Every time I tried to run 6:35, when I wasn’t looking at my watch my body kept bringing it back to 6:40. My splits from miles 1 through 5 stayed pretty steady at 6:38-6:40, so I knew the 41 was pretty much out the window. I always look for the old guys in the field, thinking about AG placing. In mile 6 I was able to make a push; I passed up one gray-headed guy at 5.5, and another one at 6. One old guy ahead of me I never did catch. I finished that last mile at 6:26, then the final fraction sub-6. I was happy to end up that close to 41, and I think I can find another 10 seconds next time around.

             

            Turned out none of those old guys I saw were in my AG. The guy who did beat me ran 38:52, so I don’t feel too bad. I’ve never run this race before, but of course scoped out previous years’ results; they get a fast field, so I knew a win would be tough. Incidentally my Garmin had the distance at 6.25, and Strava gave my 10k at 40:55. Let’s get a 10k MM going! Not that I’d be close. That 80% remains elusive; this race was 77.8%

             

            MTA: oh damn, my recent 5k PR is 79.5%! I think I can nudge that up to 80. Also, this 10k was cool because I’ve now run PRs in all 4 major distances in 2023. Squeezed it in under the wire!

            Dave

            mt79


              Dave - Way to go! That’s an awesome year.  You are right at 80%!

              Marky_Mark_17


                Dave - excellent stuff, congrats!

                 

                Flavio - honestly I think that approach makes good sense.  Lot to be said for racing when you feel like you're ready for it rather than going in for the 3-4 month (or longer) "Grand Plan"!

                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                * Net downhill course

                Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                Up next: Still working on that...

                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                Marky_Mark_17


                  The Waltons thread are debating about joining this thread!  Hilarious reading the responses. 

                   

                  What part did you think was funny, as opposed to accurate?

                  3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                  10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                  * Net downhill course

                  Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                  Up next: Still working on that...

                  "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  shouldbedeleted


                    Dave - I obviously cannot speak about marathon fitness, but I usually have a really good feeling of what kind of shape I am for the shorter races.
                    When I'm fit I sort of know it, I'm jump very bouncy in nearly every run.
                    Also, the races I've collected are all very flat and 99% guaranteed good weather.
                    Anyway, kudos for yet another PR, you are on a roll!!!!
                    Dare I say you might break that 5k PR again if you try to run a 5k one more time.

                     

                    Mikkey - One thing I need to do is to stop making claims under the influence of emotions, so that I don't then have to walk them back embarrassingly later haha.
                    First I said I'd never run another marathon, and then I claimed I was going to retire on a sub 3. None of which are likely to hold.
                    Still, I'm now more confident than ever, I think I'm really close.

                     

                    Mikkey/Mark - I feel like an Italian mother here in that I just want the kids to play along πŸ˜‚

                     

                    me - Recovery week. Legs are 100%. Lungs are not (breathing is still more labored than normal while running) but the cold symptoms are mostly gone.

                    One step at a time.

                    I've made some decisions:

                    1 - I'm not gonna pick an arbitrary date for my marathon. I'm gonna train and when I believe I'm fit I'm gonna sign up for one marathon.

                    2 - I have cancelled my coaching subscription as I want to go solo, without any schedules for a little while.

                    Running Problem


                    Problem Child

                       

                      What part did you think was funny, as opposed to accurate?

                      Didnt we try this in 21 or 22 and split apart?

                      Many of us aren't sure what the hell point you are trying to make and no matter how we guess, it always seems to be something else. Which usually means a person is doing it on purpose.

                      VDOT 53.37 

                      5k18:xx | Marathon 2:55:22

                      DavePNW



                        Dare I say you might break that 5k PR again if you try to run a 5k one more time.

                         

                         

                        Dare! Yes I think I can too. I’d especially like to get a clearer result. For the one a couple weeks ago, the course was short, and I kept running past 5k on my watch to get my “actual” time, which I am considering as my PR. I would just like to have a race that’s an accurately measured and use the official result. I might try a parkrun sometime in the coming weeks. 

                        Interesting about the two races. The 5k was >1000 runners, but was inaccurately measured and had 10 year age groupings. The 10k only had 151 finishers (plus another ~200 5k runners), the course was actually USATF certified, and it had 5 year groups. And only cost $20! IDK why, nothing is that cheap around here. Shirts only at extra charge, and no medals. My kind of race.

                        Dave

                        Marky_Mark_17


                          Didnt we try this in 21 or 22 and split apart?

                           

                          Correct. Apart from the personalities, the other factor that might not work in a merged thread is that you might just end up with too many people. Like once it gets beyond 20 or even 15 regulars it’s pretty hard to keep up with everyone’s weeklies etc and the thread moves so fast that some people inevitably lose interest.

                          3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                          10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                          * Net downhill course

                          Last race: Runway5 / National 5k Champs, 16:22, National Masters AG Champ!

                          Up next: Still working on that...

                          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                          SteveChCh


                          Hot Weather Complainer

                            Dave - Great race!  You really are going from strength to strength.  There are more PRs to come for sure.

                             

                            Threads - The discussion in the other thread is generally just that there are too many people to follow in one thread, seems true to me.  We could have threads for each race distance and but I'd still be checking them all - just because I'd be racing, say, a marathon next up doesn't mean I'm not interested in what others are doing.  So we'll probably just have our annual discussion on changing up the threads...then keep everything the same 

                            5km: 18:34 11/23 β”‚ 10km: 39:10 8/23 β”‚ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 β”‚ M: 3:29:54 6/24

                             

                            2024 Races:

                            Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                            Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024 1:27:34

                            Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024 DNF

                            Wellington Marathon June 23, 2024 3:29:54

                            Hagley Park Run July 20, 2024

                            Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                            Timaru Ten October 26, 2024

                            wcrunner2


                            Are we there, yet?

                              Like once it gets beyond 20 or even 15 regulars it’s pretty hard to keep up with everyone’s weeklies etc and the thread moves so fast that some people inevitably lose interest.

                               

                              Not so much losing interest as being slightly overwhelmed by what I can miss in only a couple days.  I know I've missed race reports and other accomplishments posted here.

                               

                              Slowly getting back trying to reestablish a routine rather than just running how I feel that day.
                              M: Easy run-walk for 4.2 miles
                              T: Easy run-walk for 3.5 miles, include 4 short, easy strides
                              W: Rest, still easily fatigued
                              T: Easy run-walk for 2.5 miles, brisk cool down walk to bring total to 3 miles
                              F: 4 miles run-walk with first 3 a mild progression run, walk and jog-walk mile cool down
                              S: Jog-walk 1 mile, walk 1 mile, still exhausted from Friday
                              S: Easy run-walk for 3 miles, include 4 short, easy strides (2 days recovery has been normal for me for several years, don't recovery as quickly as I did when younger)
                              Total run-walk for the week 20.7 miles.

                               2024 Races:

                                    03/09 - Livingston Oval Ultra 6-Hour, 22.88 miles

                                    05/11 - D3 50K, 9:11:09
                                    06/17 - 6 Days in the Dome 12-Hour, 35.82 miles
                                    10/12 - Hainesport 12-Hour

                               

                               

                                   

                              DavePNW


                                we'll probably just have our annual discussion on changing up the threads...then keep everything the same 

                                 

                                Sounds like a plan!

                                Dave