Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 539 times)

kimba


    Oh geez, BMI.  Does anyone actually pay attention to those anymore?  I’m pretty muscular, but I’m not big.  My BMI has always put me in the overweight category.  But I always weigh about 130lbs and am pretty lean.  People regularly guess that I weigh 115 (at least when I’m dressed and you can’t see my legs and arse).  Because muscle weighs so much more than fat, BMI is a useless number.  

    Sorry.  Don’t mean to be a beeotch; but I get cranky when I can’t run as much as I want.

    800m:  2:20.3 (2015) | 1 Mile:  5:13 (2016) | 5K: 18:32 (2010) | 10km: 39:55 (2012) HM: 1:28 (2013) 

     

    JMac11


    Taper Czar

      Kimba - in the real world, no, you're right, they're useless. "Overweight" doesn't take into account if your muscular, or actually fat. But in running, unfortunately a pound is a pound, and it has to be moved over a certain distance. There's a reason why the best distance runners in the world, at least at the marathon, are all BMI of less than 20.0.

       

      Additionally, your ideal racing weight may not be below 20. It's exactly the problem Mary Cain ran into. But it's more of the reverse problem: the most successful people have an ideal racing weight below 20, not that everyone's ideal racing weight is below 20.

      5K: 16:42 (9/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

       

      Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

      flavio1980


      King of pastries

        Mark - I vote National champs. You can run that downhill race when you're 68 years old.

         

        Jmac/Keen - yo skinny!

         

        Brew - finally I've got company. I'm sure you will understand the struggle of life
        when you want to trim down but Tiramisu exists.

         

        Kimba - we know it's useless but it's fun to compare random useless numbers against other people.

         

        My BMI is 24.3 today, which is the result of intense in fighting over the last 4 months.
        Healthy angel has been winning by the slimmest of margins.
        FYI I don't have big bones, I should be so much lighter.


        On the other hand I can imitate a woman who's 5 months pregnant

         

        Where are the mods, how come that clown is not gone yet.

        PRs: 1500m 4:54.1 3K 10:34 5K 18:05 HM 1:23:30 - Up next: Some 5K race Sep 6th.

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        Marky_Mark_17


          Kimba - you are right, it is a pretty flawed metric.  I was close to being technically overweight when I was lifting a lot more weights than I do now and playing field hockey, despite my body fat being only around 12%.

          5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

          HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

          Last race: NZ 10,000m Champs, 21 March, 32:34 (PB) 

          Up next: Wairarapa Country Marathon, 11 Oct (I HOPE!!!!)

          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          kimba


            Let’s compare how many beers we can drink on a week night.......and explore the relationship between that, BMI, and not being able to run a lot!

            800m:  2:20.3 (2015) | 1 Mile:  5:13 (2016) | 5K: 18:32 (2010) | 10km: 39:55 (2012) HM: 1:28 (2013) 

             

            Running Problem


            Curmudgeon

              flavio these twig bitches don't know the struggle. cake, candy, sugarfree energy drinks, ice cream, reeses, oreos (by the box), milk, pistachios, donuts, etc. I've seen JMac in person. Twig bitch describes him.  I'm sure he'd have a cute little baby guy if he quit running and be moaning about how fat he is.

               

              My PR race weight puts my BMI at 24.6. This was after cutting out alcohol for 7 months, ice cream for like 2 weeks, and almost all other sweets on top of drinking more water. To be at a BMI of 20 I'd need to be 132. When I was a junior in high school and lifted weights along with being a mediocre wrestler (I wasn't winning States, but MAYBE I could have one the high school championship) I was a BMI of 23. Oh and my cholesterol was over 200 until I cut out alcohol and now it's a prime 165ish last time I checked around "before my marathon PR" last year. I think my body fat percentage got close to single digits too. I was PUMPED when I told the wife "This is what I looked like Senior Year of high school. Back when I was in my PRIME!" Does BMI matter? fuck no. Do I find it hilarious when I think of my physical accomplishments and some math equation calls me fat? fuck yes. Work previously had some kind of stipend if you were healthy based on some measurements. I was measured the week I PRd my half marathon at a 1:40. "Hey let's go see one of those 'athletic' people do it and see how well they perform.' With my luck I'd get a twig bitch like JMac or CommanderKeen out there and they'd SMOKE me. Just to shut me up.

              2020 Goal: Figure out the problem.

              flavio1980


              King of pastries

                Ok, let's compare body fat % haha.

                 

                To answer Kimba: zero beers as I have cut out alcohol except very rare circumstances. I used to go to the beer store and find 3 or 4 different ones to sample, I kinda miss that. I've never been one to drink through a 6-pack while watching a game for instance, I get bored if I have to drink 2 cans of the same beer. I guess I'm a neophiliac.

                 

                On a separate matter, man, growing old is like being attacked by a pack of wolves. Damn! This lower back out of place is not a fun endeavor. Thankfully it seems to be mostly over and I managed my 10 k easy this afternoon.

                PRs: 1500m 4:54.1 3K 10:34 5K 18:05 HM 1:23:30 - Up next: Some 5K race Sep 6th.

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                dpschumacher


                Making a comeback

                  I'm huge compared to you guys. Jesus.

                  2019 Goal: Run every day Goal: Get to 165 lbs Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                  2020 Goals:

                  5k:16:30

                  HM: 1:18:00

                  Marathon: 2:45:00

                  New 2020 Goal: Actually run a race, any race, just run a real legit race. **Eye Twitching**

                  JMac11


                  Taper Czar

                    Kim - I have a VERY negative correlation between beer and running. The 3 weeks I took off? I drank almost every day. During marathon training? Barely touched the stuff. When I'm injured, it's especially bad. The devil finds work for idle hands.

                     

                    DPS - I think your weight will keep dropping.

                     

                    Flavio - that's pretty good! A lot of progress, I know it's a battle for you.

                     

                    Brew - good thing you didn't see my in my shorts and singlet. You would have been even more horrified.

                     

                    James - have you always been that thin? I wonder if being "underweight" leads to ideal training for you.

                    5K: 16:42 (9/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                     

                    Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

                    Marky_Mark_17


                      Drinking - I'd have a glass or two of wine most days after work, and a couple of bourbons on the weekend.  I should probably cut down, but I don't feel it's ever impacted my running performance.  Having said that I haven't drunk enough to have a hangover since around the middle of 2017 sometime.

                      5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) 

                      HM: 1:10:46 (Nov-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                      Last race: NZ 10,000m Champs, 21 March, 32:34 (PB) 

                      Up next: Wairarapa Country Marathon, 11 Oct (I HOPE!!!!)

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      SteveChCh


                      Hot Weather Complainer

                        Mark - I vote National champs. You can run that downhill race when you're 68 years old.

                         

                        I disagree - don't put off bucket list items!  You may never get the chance again (optimism from the leader).

                        PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                        Recent Races:   Cherry Blossom Half-Marathon, September 13, 2020 1:33:38 Half-Marathon Time Trial May 31, 2020 1:31.51 Auckland Waterfront Half-Marathon 2019 1:30.49

                        2020 Planned Races:  Queenstown Half-Marathon, November 21

                        dpschumacher


                        Making a comeback

                          Even in my prime I was big compared to you guys. But I am 6 ft and was a 800m guy in track for the most part.

                           

                          I'm not worried about weight, just times.

                           

                          I'm just symmonds to you rupps.

                          2019 Goal: Run every day Goal: Get to 165 lbs Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                          2020 Goals:

                          5k:16:30

                          HM: 1:18:00

                          Marathon: 2:45:00

                          New 2020 Goal: Actually run a race, any race, just run a real legit race. **Eye Twitching**

                          watsonc123


                            I'm about 21 right now.  Might be slightly less during heavy training.

                             

                            James is really, really light.

                            PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                             

                            40+ PRs: 5km 20:10 (Dec 2019), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                            watsonc123


                              People regularly guess that I weigh 115 (at least when I’m dressed and you can’t see my legs and arse).

                               

                              "at least when I'm dressed"?  Do you have people guessing your weight when undressed?

                              PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                               

                              40+ PRs: 5km 20:10 (Dec 2019), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                              JamesD


                              JamesD

                                 

                                James - have you always been that thin? I wonder if being "underweight" leads to ideal training for you.

                                 

                                Pretty much.  Like several relatives, I have very thin bones, though I've never broken anything except maybe a finger playing basketball once.  In high school, I weighed 110 lbs at 6 feet tall (and ran in the 16s for 5K) despite eating a half-gallon box of ice cream for desert almost every night and meat for breakfast.  The only time I've ever been "heavy" was as a newlywed, when I wasn't exercising & DW was cooking lots of good fattening food.  Got up to 160, but I looked really skinny-fat.  When she changed her cooking to watch her weight and I started running again, even just once a week, I got back below 140 pretty quickly.  I've dropped a pound or two every year since I started gradually increasing my mileage in 2014.

                                 

                                I'm not sure whether being so light has hurt my training.  I suppose having stronger quads might have helped me avoid knee injuries and allowed me to run higher mileage, but I don't enjoy lifting, and more weight would've put more strain on the knees. 

                                Post-1987 PRs:  Half 1:30:14 (2019); 10K 39:35 (2019); 5K 19:12 (2017); Mile 5:37.3 (April '20)

                                Revised 2020 Goals:  40+ mpw (getting there), 5K<19:30 (not yet); Mile<5:40 (done), no injuries