Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 618 times)

marky mark 1 beer per mile. It’s easier than per kilometer. Previously my rule of thumb for long runs. Hard part was deciding when to drink 10 beers, or when to run 16 miles. 

dps dude, your DAD is a giant compared to me. He is over half a foot taller than me (he is 6’3 right?) AND he could whip my fat ads in a race probably without trying. if he tells you getting old sucks say ‘yeah? Want to be short, fat, and slow cuz I know a guy who might trade you.’ 

JMac I was imagining what you looked like under that sweatshirt you were wearing. It looked 3 sizes too big. Child mall just isn’t long enough to cover the stomach is it? 

11 weeks until goal race. JD book looks like he wants a 24 week cycle. I’ll have to look through it but it might be phase 3 and phase 4 for my half marathon cycle. Unfortunately the training book is really good for fills with plans, and half marathon looks like a rough outline of one plan and the rest I’m supposed to make using my knowledge of his concepts. Have I hit the point where I should know how to train for a race without following the book plan? Seems kind of elite.

Hey all,

I know middle of the week is a strange time to update but life got busy.

First off sorry to those of you suffering injuries, it sounds like you caught them early which is good.

My week continues to include no running due to a foot injury. The good news is that I took my family to Universal Studios early this week and walked around for 3 days and had no issues so I think I'm going to try running a mile today. If it still hurts I guess it's time to see a doc.

Last week:

Mon: 800m swim, weights (mostly DL), and 40 min elliptical.

Tue: 1100m swim, 50 min cycling

Wed: 1650m swim, weights (squat), 1 hour cycling which aggravated my groin.

Thur: rest

Fri: weights (deadlift), 20 min elliptical hustle out of town to beat the freezing rain

Sat: 1 hour elliptical

Sun- 5 hours at  Universal

I'm kind of sad I didn't run while in Florida but my life goal remains run a race in each of the 50 states and that wasn't happening under any circumstance.

BMI. 24.2. I enjoy my beer though I'm trying to change that. My rule is 1 beer / 3 miles is acceptable.

dps Okay so I'm your dad's height at 165 and a BMI of "over weight" because fat kit likes his snacks.

zebano They don't sleep as much. Seriously, my mother in law picks up my son at 7am twice a week and she does her hour swim before she gets here. I assume that's a 5am wake up call, in the pool at 5:30, leaving the gym by 6:40 and to my house at 7:00. I can only compare it to marathon training running 70 miles a week and people asking how I do it. 90-105 minute runs twice a week and up to 2.5 on Saturday means I have to either give up everything I want to do on weekends so I can start training at 10am, or I get out of bed and deal with the weather. If I was dependently wealthy I'd have one of those in home infinity pools/spa things, a nice treadmill, and a kid who goes to bed and sleeps for 12 hours like clockwork. For my last marathon my wife was crucial to my success because she handled our son while I was out running, and I worked out in the garage (TRX) at 7:00pm after he fell asleep so I could get it done. I had to sacrifice the time on the couch with her, along with shifting my work schedule to get those 100 minute training runs done before dinner time, to make it work.

I think I figured out why a half marathon training cycle is going to feel weird. I've done all my recent races on marathon training and just jumped into them as a hard workout or a PR attempt. Half marathon training is going to hit more gears to me especially this Jack Daniels thing. 2-3 days of quality workouts with Rep and Interval paces being extremely fast sounding relative to what I'm accustomed to. When I step back and look at everything it's just speed workouts, and half marathon paced/Threshold runs. I just need to kick it into gear (next week) and get a training day for speed again.

R pace is for speed and recovery is 2-3 times as long as the run. This is for anaerobic power. The point is to get faster and keep a good form, not just go all out.

I pace is for aerobic power. This is for aerobic power and the point is to get the heart rate up, hold it there, and not fully recover before going again. This is probably where I've lived for marathon training speed work for a while and something I probably gravitate to just because of familiarity.

Threshold is for "getting comfortable being uncomfortable" as I like to say it. It's to get the lactate threshold pushed farther and farther away from it's current limit so you can run faster and the body doesn't produce as much lactic acid at the point it did before. It's uncomfortable and you'll get comfortable being there. Been here for a while except I think the pace will be speeding up.

All of this should help with trying to break 20 in the 5K locally, and getting that HM PR in April. Jack seems to favor the 200, 200, 400 workout. 12 Sundays until race day with a 5k race on March 15 which is 9 Sundays away from today. So it's time to get serious...which I don't want to do. It's easier to just run for fun instead of PRs.

Brew- Yeah. My dad now bmi "over weight"....but knocks out 3-10 miles at 9 min mile everyday and has lower blood pressure than me at 66. He eats enough beef for a small city soooo.....as stated above bmi not great.

Keen- I'm from the upper midwest. 6 foot is average here. 

All my extended family is under 5'10" except 6 of us (me+2 brothers, 2 cousins who are 1/2 native American with a 6'5" dad, and one cousin whose randomly 6'6").  I have 16 aunts and uncles by blood (14 more by marriage) and 28 1st cousins....and 6 of us are tall. Genetics are weird. But since we are all catholic with big families the tall genes pop up out of nowhere on occasion.

Kimba - You do have something of a point there, as does JMac with his "moving pounds over distance" statement. Different body types/muscle makeup certainly lends a person to being better at shorter or faster races.

Agreed.

If you want one more data point, my BMI is 18.2 (actually ranges between about 17.8 and 18.5, depending on where I am in the cycle, how well hydrated I am, and how recently I've pooped - when you're small, even a pound up or down significantly changes your BMI).

I'm short, and then I have a very small frame on top of that (I wear my Garmin buckled on the slot closest to the body of the watch).  As noted by others, if you have very small bones, you'll be carrying less weight, even if you have a lot of muscle.  I'm muscular - more of a mesomorph than an ectomorph.  But even so, unlike Kimba - everyone thinks I weigh MORE than I do

As far as body type versus distance specialty - I agree with all the points made above - I think it's both carrying pounds over distance, but also that different compositions are better for different distances.  I am quite strong, but am not explosive at all.  When doing 200s, it is amazing how many of my teammates can absolutely smoke me - even those who don't run a mile as fast as I do.    On the other hand, I don't find long runs terribly intimidating or hard, even if they include a lot of marathon effort work; that's in contrast to many of my teammates.

We're all different.

Dps - I see your huge and I raise you my huger haha 
I'm 183lbs right now, there's no way around it, all my PRs were set
at 178. Life was easier when I was running 60 miles a week, as it is right now I need to watch myself.

I'll get there.

Mark - Jeanne Calment, the person who lived the longest in history (122) also drank a glass of wine per day.
She also ate a pound of chocolate per week. You must be doing something right.

Genetics are weird. Mom is 4'11, dad is 5'4, I'm 6'1. My siblings are shorter and way shorter than me.

Maybe there was a tall neighbor ....

Genetics are weird. Mom is 4'11, dad is 5'4, I'm 6'1. My siblings are shorter and way shorter than me.

Maybe there was a tall neighbor ....

Sounds like my step-father's grandparents. Grandpa was something like 6'3 and grandma was like 4'nothing. They drove a Cadillac and grandma put the seat all the way forward, and grandpa put it all the way back. Thankfully I'm right in the middle of "average while male" for almost everything. Height, weight, grades, 5k times, etc. Give it the 'ol 73% effort.

Correction....Runners World gives me a 68.97% for my marathon time. D+. Ds are for Diploma and don't you forget.

I think with running you shouldn't count yourself against all other runners.  Count yourself against the whole population.  Your 5km time is now in the top 0.01%.  You're welcome.