Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 618 times)

Marky_Mark_17


    Watson - nice work, a light week won't hurt with the race in there.

     

    Steve - that's good news on the injury front, nice week.

     

    Flavio - congrats on the CR!  Now you just need to hope that no cyclists steal it haha.

     

    Zebano - good that you could get a full week in, well done.

    3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

    10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

    * Net downhill course

    Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

    Up next: Runway5, 4 May

    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

    kimba


      That's funny DW, but I guess that makes sense if you're running a slower pace. For marathon runs, 90 minutes is really no man's land for me. I am either running 60ish minute recovery runs, 1:15-1:20 easy runs, 2ish hour runs with quality, or 2:30-2:45 long runs.

       

      Oh man, running slower makes 90 minutes feel even longer!!  I swear, when I run with people who have an easy pace that is naturally slower than mine, it feels worse to me than if I run my own natural pace.  Obviously there's a point where too fast is simply too fast for a long run, but I think there are definitely very individual "sweet spots" for pace, and when you work outside of those, either too fast or too slow, it wreaks havoc.

      800m:  2:20.3 (2015) | 1 Mile:  5:13 (2016) | 5K: 18:32 (2010) | 10km: 39:55 (2012) HM: 1:28 (2013) 

       

      kimba


         

        Kimba - good luck.  Your site is good.  One small thing, there's a lot of "coming soon" at the bottom of the site.

         

        Yes, thank you.  Even though the site is public, I haven't advertised/marketed myself yet, and my site is not totally complete.  That section is one of the parts I need to fix.  But thank you!  Any feedback is appreciated!  Because of your comment, I looked at the site and noticed that that there was a whole section after the contact section that was a repeat of an earlier section.  Glad you made me catch that!

        800m:  2:20.3 (2015) | 1 Mile:  5:13 (2016) | 5K: 18:32 (2010) | 10km: 39:55 (2012) HM: 1:28 (2013) 

         

        kimba


          Haha!  I love the wildlife chronicles......

           

           

           

           

          Weekly for period: From: 06/29/2020 To 07/05/2020

          Date Name Distance
          in mi
          Duration Avg Pace
          per mi
          Elevation Gain
          in ft
          06/29/2020 2 armadillos & 1 crane 11.35 01:39:33 08:46 502
          06/30/2020 4x 3 min I 12.25 01:35:33 07:48 640
          07/01/2020 A slight departure from my usual routes. No wildlife this way. 11.40 01:36:03 08:26 512
          07/02/2020 3 rabbits & 1 owl 11.25 01:35:20 08:28 364
          07/03/2020 5x 1k CV/CP, 1 min recovery 13.16 01:39:18 07:33 502
          07/04/2020 8 cottontails, 2 hawks, 1 jackrabbit, 1 rain shower, & an aquatic nope rope 17.15 02:25:17 08:28 801
          07/05/2020 After an effort of this magnitude I think I need a slice of recovery key lime pie 3.65 00:30:13 08:17 207

          Total distance: 80.22mi

          800m:  2:20.3 (2015) | 1 Mile:  5:13 (2016) | 5K: 18:32 (2010) | 10km: 39:55 (2012) HM: 1:28 (2013) 

           

            Flavio looking forward to your mile TT. It will give you a good fitness benchmark.

             

            Steve one error on the front page. I'm not running Rotorua 10k but I'm running the Mount Maunganui 10k at the same event as Mark's half marathon.

            55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

            " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

            Somewhere in between is about right "      

             

            kimba


              Man!  I forgot how active you guys are in here!  I can't keep up!  Nice to see so much running, racing, and generally being uninjured.  I've also been pretty consistent, though much lower mileage than most of you.  I hit a recent high of 37 miles last week - I feel like I always get injured once I go to 40+.  My running club just started track work-outs last week, so I went to a group work-out this morning.  400/200 x 5.  Felt good, but probably went too fast due to being with others.  Gotta be careful of that - it's probably that contributing to my injuries more than just sheer mileage.

              800m:  2:20.3 (2015) | 1 Mile:  5:13 (2016) | 5K: 18:32 (2010) | 10km: 39:55 (2012) HM: 1:28 (2013) 

               

                Piwi, fantastic 5k!

                Flavio, Watson  - great jobs.

                 

                Another great week Mark and good work all around!

                 

                I managed another base week  50 miles, but all easy. I'm still not convinced my body is fully recovered. I have no respiratory problems or tiredness ( those only lasted 2-3 weeks) but my legs feel like they are not recovering.  I'm often stiff and aching as if I was on lactic acid mode all the time but I tun slow (heart at 140-150 bpm)

                 

                I think it could be just that I need to build up, but I'm not sure....

                 

                I'll need to grab an antibody test one of these days, just for curiosity. 

                Another thing could be some lack of iron or something else.....

                Oh well... have a great week!!

                Marco

                PRs since re-started in 2013:

                5km: 19:43 (Belfast park run Sep-16) | 10km: 40:16 (Belfast Lagan side 10K Sep-18) 

                HM: 1:30:09 (Belfast city Half Marathon, September-18) | FM: 3:25:05 (official chip time Belfast city Marathon, May-19, marathon was 0.3/4 longer, original time 3:27:20 for 26.5/6...)

                 

                Upcoming races:  

                ???

                watsonc123


                  Marco - it might take a while to fully recover.  Make sure you don't regress, are you certain you're fully over the virus?

                  PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                   

                  40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                   

                  2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                   

                  2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                  flavio80


                  Intl. correspondent

                    Steve - no need to add that. It’s just a fitness benchmark.

                     

                    Mark - Heh, some segments are along streets so some people steal by by passing there with their cars.

                     

                    Marco - You will lose some muscle tone just from being inactive a few weeks. Be patient.

                     

                    me - Mile time trial went well, 5:40 with 2:40/3:00 splits.

                    It's good to have an idea of what kind of fitness I have now at the beginning of the next cycle.

                    I'm obviously out of shape and fat, but fitness should improve steadily over the next 8 weeks until the first 5k rust buster.

                    I'm really hoping park runs are back by then.

                    PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

                    Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

                    Tool to generate Strava weekly

                    watsonc123


                      Flavio - I think 5:40 is pretty good considering your last four months.

                       

                      Sanders and Gough Cross Country 8km RR

                       

                      https://www.strava.com/activities/3743730257

                       

                      35:17, roughly 10th of 25

                       

                      This is a small cross-country event involving five of the smaller running clubs in my region.  Attendance this year was smaller than usual, due to being in the middle of the school holidays.

                       

                      During the week, I’d noticed that I’d lost a couple of spikes out of my cross-country shoes.  So in the morning I went to the local sports store, and luckily they had spikes to buy.  Quite a bit sharper than the originals that I had with New Balance, so I got home and replaced all of them.

                       

                      My girls were also racing, 9 year old in U12 at 12:20pm for 1.2km, 12 years old in U14 for 2km at 12:40pm, and I was at 2:10pm.

                       

                      My 9 year old race pretty well, and came 16th out of 24 (boys and girls).

                       

                      My 12 year old came 20th out of 22, her heel injury is playing up again, which we had to manage last year with football/soccer and running.

                       

                      Last year the men 60+, women and men 18-59 all started together.  With it being three 2km laps, except the mens which was four laps.

                      This year, the women and men 60+ had an earlier race of 2km lap and then 4km.

                       

                      So this years race felt really small, just the men 18-59 of around 25.  Each race has a team winner with last year being the best five from each team, but with this years turn out I have no idea how they did that.  Although it was pretty obvious that my club would win given the overall caliber of the field was not great.  Thomas was definitely going to win, with Bryan second, and most likely Josh and Michael third and fourth (maybe vice versa) – all from my club.  Of course there was a small chance that someone I didn’t recognize would be a lot faster than I realized.

                       

                      My aim was originally 36:00 (4:30/km).  After my warm-up I downgraded to 37:20 (4:40/km).

                       

                      My warm up was ok, the course was fairly quick for cross country.  With the exception of the third km which was mainly at the bottom of the stop bank, and was very wet and muddy.  In my aim adjustment down, I took this km too much into effect.

                       

                      We start, I want to run really slow the first one km at 5:00.

                       

                      I felt I was running really slow, the first km is a combination of grass field, over a gate which is under the train bridge, and dirt trail.  This would be the fastest part of the course.  Over that first km I overtake 3-4 runners.

                       

                      First km down at 4:31 on my watch (4:30 on Strava).

                       

                      I feel pretty good, and realize that I’m probably good for this pace for the race.

                       

                      The second km is on dirt trail and goes under the road bridge until the turn around which it then goes onto the grass by the stop bank.  I go through this second km in 4:25.  Harder work than the first km, as this is definitely a slower km course wise.

                       

                      The third km is the hardest of the course as most is on wet, muddy grass, I do this in 4:27.

                       

                      I’m gaining on Phillip from my club, and possibly a couple of others.

                       

                      The fourth km is on good surface, solid grass, dirt track and little bit of concrete.  But it does have a couple of very small “hills” being up and down the stop bank three times. 

                       

                      I go through lap one at 17:41.  My watch has 4km soon after at 4:24 for that km.

                       

                      I’m thinking the course is a little short.  Although at the very end I had 7.99km, most others have 8.0x km, so I think the course was measured correctly.

                       

                      So 17:41 equates to 35:22 which is much better than my aim.  And I’m feeling tired, but have no fading feeling, so I probably have the pacing right.

                       

                      The fifth km (as the first) is the quickest on the course.  I push this though at 4:19.  About that point I go past Phillip (he’s fading pretty bad). 

                       

                      During the sixth km (starts on trail, then goes on to muddy, wet grass) I realize I’m catching Stephen.  I don’t think I’ve ever beat Stephen.  Stephen trains very little and is in his fifties.  He must have been quite quick many moons ago.

                       

                      6th km in 4:23 – I’m starting to hurt a little now.

                       

                      The 7th km I pass Stephen.  This is a hard km due to the muddy, wet grass for most of it.  Hitting the dirt trail near the end of that km is a relief.  If this was a time trial, I would have bailed now, I don’t know how some of you have PR’d on time trials.

                       

                      7th km in 4:28.

                       

                      Last km to go. I’m worried that Stephen will kick with a few hundred metres to go and beat me.  So this is my primary motivation.  

                      The last 0.99km (Strava) has me going through in 4:24.  I kicked the last 200m so I must have been fractionally slower earlier.

                       

                      I finished in 35:17, so second lap in 17:36, a 5s negative split.

                       

                      Take homes:

                      • I need to consciously start “slow” in my races.  I’m almost always starting quicker than I realize.
                      • My hamstring is pretty good now.  It’s been a little tight post race, but nothing to get too worried about.
                      • I’m in better shape than I realized.  So hopefully good training the second half of this year will result in a few good races.

                      PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                       

                      40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                       

                      2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                       

                      2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                      JMac11


                      RIP Milkman

                        Good job Watson. I feel like you've only run XC races over the past year. Any desire to run a road race?

                        5K: 16:37 (11/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:14:57 (5/22)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                         

                         

                        zebano


                          Marco, I've been reading stories of people for whom covid is lingering for 10 weeks and not going away. I hope you get better

                           

                          Flavio - Great time trial and some easy improvement just by better pacing if you decide to run another one.

                           

                          Watson -- Great report. I'm curious why you think you need to start slow, when you ran your first KM faster than you intended and basically ran even splits the whole way.

                          1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

                          CommanderKeen


                          Cobra Commander Keen

                            Piwi - Awesome 5k result, especially without it being an all-out effort.


                            Watson - Great job in the XC race, too! I enjoyed the RR, and think it's awesome that your kids also run. I do wish we had some XC or shorter trail races around here. Almost everything's on roads here, and anything on trails tends to be ultra marathon distance.


                            Mark - Strong week.


                            Flavio - Good job snagging that crown, and the 1 mi time. How are you planning on structuring your 5k training?


                            Kimba - Nice on the recent mileage high. Huge mileage certainly isn't everything. There are plenty here who run very fast times off relatively low mileage. "Wildlife chronicles" are my greatest running claim-to-fame!


                            I took an extended weekend (Friday and Monday off) to visit my parents since we haven't been able to get out there (about 2 hours drive away) in months. Training largely seems to be going well, and I'm getting more used to our recent increase in Kiwi point in the mornings.

                             

                            Weekly for period: From: 07/06/2020 To 07/12/2020

                            Date Name Distance
                            in mi
                            Duration Avg Pace
                            per mi
                            Elevation Gain
                            in ft
                            07/06/2020 2x (13x :30 I, :15 E). 6 min E between sets 13.25 01:42:39 07:45 394
                            07/07/2020 13 rabbits 11.30 01:36:59 08:35 436
                            07/08/2020 2 turkeys 11.25 01:39:37 08:51 571
                            07/09/2020 4x 1k @ CV/CP 12.26 01:37:07 07:55 653
                            07/10/2020 11 quail & 3 rabbits 11.25 01:36:47 08:36 502
                            07/11/2020 Lots of lightning bugs, plenty of critters I couldn't see because I didn't bring a headlamp, and putting a cow back in the pasture 17.16 02:31:20 08:49 837
                            07/12/2020 3 hawks and 2 quail 3.75 00:33:04 08:49 226

                            Total distance: 80.22mi

                            5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

                             

                            Upcoming Races:

                             

                            OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

                            Bun Run 5k - May 4

                             

                              Keen nice week. That must be the biggest week on here for a while. I would say I was pretty much all out in my 5k but could have evened up the splits a little better 

                               

                              Kimba I sometimes do my long run on a sunday with the B group and pace is supposed to be 4.45 /km and they always run faster. I go early and run a couple of slow warmups 1st. I find a big fitness jump for me at 50 mpw + but you need to be able to cope with that workload.

                               

                              Flavio that's fast for a fatty  especially the first 800 nice job.

                               

                              Watson nice report. Good to hear your kids getting involved. I guess with spikes on you wouldn't want much concrete at all to run on .

                              Sounds like this race has given you more confidence and belief like my 5k.

                               

                              Marco my lower legs were sore alot for 4 weeks after my calf recovered. Then they adjusted and are fine now.

                              Hopefully you will feel better soon.

                              55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                              " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                              Somewhere in between is about right "      

                               

                              darkwave


                              Mother of Cats

                                Hey all - just belatedly checking in - work/life has been busy the last few days.

                                 

                                easy pace runs - I honestly believe, like Kimba, that different people have different easy paces.  There's a lot of people that will get state if they run their easy runs as slow as I do.  If running your easy runs slightly uptempo means you feel better for your workouts, then that's a good reason to do it.

                                 

                                OTOH, if you run your easy runs uptempo because you can't bear to have a certain pace show up on Strava, then that's a bad reason to run your easy runs that fast....

                                 

                                Flavio - 2:40/3:00 had to hurt.  I once ran a mile that way - split 1:20, 2:40, 4:00, and then 5:40....  Boyfriend was watching and asked if I had had a seizure in the last 50 m after....

                                 

                                Nice, Watson.  I guess it's about time for another discussion on optimal race pacing...…Smile  (I think it varies, much like easy pace.  I have never run a good race that was evenly paced - my best races have always resulted from a slow start.

                                 

                                My belated week:

                                 


                                20 miles, 1500 yards of swimming, 5 "miles" pool-running, and 50 minutes slow walking on treadmill.
                                M: Upper body weights/core and streaming yoga
                                T: 12 miles outside (9:30), followed with streaming yoga.
                                W: 8 miles, including a track workout of 3x1200, 3x400 in 4:42, 4:40, 4:36, 90, 87, 87. Recoveries of 2:40 after the 1200s; 90 seconds after the 400s. Hamstring/groin/butt grabbed up at end of last 400.
                                Th: Core and gentle streaming yoga.
                                F: Upperbody weights, core, and gentle streaming yoga
                                Sa: 1500 yards swimming, gentle streaming yoga, and 20 minutes slow walking on treadmill.
                                Su: gentle streaming yoga, upper body weights/core, and 50 minutes pool-running. Later 30 minutes slow walking on treadmill.

                                 

                                 

                                Hamstring/adductor/butt grabbed up on me at the end of the final rep of the workout. I'm annoyed.

                                 

                                It felt a bit iffy on Tuesday, so I canned the workout and just ran easy that day. Warmed up Wednesday and it felt fine, so I did the workout, and it seized up and started spasming in the last 5 meters of the final 400.

                                 

                                So now I'm rehabbing it. PT wants me to start running on it as soon as I'm comfortable doing so, and so I started with some baby jogs yesterday and today.  PT also wants me to keep it gently active and in motion - thus the slow walking sessions on the treadmill.

                                 

                                It is improving every day, so that's good - I expect to be running again by the end of the week, based on how it's progressing.  And our pools opened up so I was able to get back in the water, which seems to be helping immensely.  The hope is that now that I can get back in the pool and closer to my old routine, I'll have a better shot of staying healthy.

                                 

                                It's frustrating, because I was entered in both a 5K and a road mile in July, and I think they are now both out - I will be running again soon, but I'll want a few workouts before jumping in a race.

                                 

                                But there is good news also.  I've had a long standing chronic problem with my left hip being stiff and sticky and nerve pain down the left leg.  When stuff grabbed up on Wednesday morning, I felt a "pop" (not good) at my left sit bone.  But....it didn't exactly feel like a torn muscle (I've done that before, and know what it feels like).    And....since that "pop" my left hip is no longer sticky, with greater mobility, and as of yesterday the left leg nerve pain has completely vanished for the first time in years, maybe?  The belly of the hamstring is still a bit tight, but this is literally the best my left hip has ever felt in recent memory.

                                This is the same leg where I tore my hamstring at the attachment back in 2013, and had a long long extended recovery, including multiple bouts of PRP.  The same leg that is weaker than the other and visibly less muscled.  We're thinking that I've had a wad of scar tissue at the ischial tuberosity all this time, slightly limiting the motion of the hip and pressing on the sciatic nerve.  And the pop I felt on Wednesday may have been the scar tissue giving way and freeing up the sciatic nerve - basically a DIY sciatic nerve release.

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