Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 618 times)

    Zebano great to see you getting back to running after your niggle.

     

    Darkwave it's a great feeling when fitness starts coming back.  Keep up the good work.

     

    Steve solid week for you after your race. I see you've had some mid 20 temps.

     

    Flavio I think you are in great shape and reckon you are good for 37:ex

     

    I watched London live. It was nice to see a real battle at the end of the mens race. Kipchoge had some cramp and a blocked ear and was struggling to get his drinks cleanly.

    It was sobering to see the lead back lap some fantastic runners. The 2.12 type guys look amazing until the 2.05 pack go ripping past them.

    55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

    " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

    Somewhere in between is about right "      

     

    flavio80


    Intl. correspondent

      Darkwave - to my ignorant mind it sounds like one tendon moved slightly close to another. The missing tendon is the duplicate one.

       

      4x 10 min @ 10k - It was indeed very hard, though I did manage it well, so either it was on point for my current fitness or I’ll have a good surprise come race day.

       

      Piwi - agreed, that sprint to the finish line was amazing. First Lemma seemed to have it, then Kipchumba and Shura passed in and it seemed like Kipchumba had it.

      Then Shura Had it LOL. It was amazing to watch. I honestly thought Sisay Lemma would win that sprint just cause he’s built like a 400m runner.

      Kipchoge had an off day and it was very visible very early on. It's super impressive that he managed to stay on top for so long. Usually the record holders burn out after 2 or 3 years.

      PRs: 1500 4:54.1 2019 - 5K 17:53 2023 - 10K 37:55 2023 - HM 1:21:59 2021

      Up next: some 800m race (or time trials) / Also place in the top 20% in a trail race

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      CommanderKeen


      Cobra Commander Keen

        Watson - Congrats on the race, placing, and nice RR. That first big hill looks particularly nasty.


        Piwi - Nice week.


        Mark - That's quite a steep taper! Like JMac I don't think we can really question your coach.


        Flavio - Nice week ahead of the race. I agree with DWave, that 4x 10 min @ 10k looks quite challenging. There wasn't a ton of recovery during those, either.


        DWave - Interesting stuff about the ultrasound results. Could the "split" tendon be the missing one? Or is there a chance that the tendon that couldn't be found is simply gone? My dad recently had shoulder surgery that involved rebuilding a tendon that was completely gone due to an old injury.
        Anyway, I hope you get the ankle issues resolved quickly.


        Steve - Nice week coming back from a race.


        I front-loaded some miles last week so I could have a couple lighter days ahead of my race without dropping weekly mileage overall.
        The race was a ton of fun and went as well as it could, though I'm very much not in the shape I wanted to have been for it. I wasn't able to pop my back/hips in the morning the day of or before the race, so my left leg in particular was a bit tight. Nowhere near as tight as it would have been a few weeks ago, which was nice. Overall I don't think it really affected me much other than being a bit incomfortable at times. It was also my longest (distance wise) continuous run in a few months ,which was nice.


        The race itself was bigger than it had been before (though it's still a small race), certainly due to it being one of the only "real" races going on in the area. Volunteers at water stops wore gloves, but that was really the only "precaution" I saw vs previous years.


        I am more and more thinking about skipping the full marathon I'm signed up for next month. I simply don't think I can be in the shape I want to be in by then and would rather not drive the 6 or so hours to get there for a performance that's not what I should be capable of. I have been asked to pace someone at a 100 miler later this month, which I'm giving some serious thought to.

         

        Weekly for period: From: 09/28/2020 To 10/04/2020

        Date Name Distance
        in mi
        Duration Avg Pace
        per mi
        Elevation Gain
        in ft
        09/28/2020 27 Canada geese, 1 owl, & a sub-100 Kiwi point morning 11.05 01:31:27 08:17 492
        09/28/2020 Laps during soccer practice 3.15 00:27:12 08:38 82
        09/29/2020 2 skunks & 1 hawk 11.50 01:35:53 08:20 394
        09/29/2020 Morning weather outside is better than afternoon weather in the garage - Paris 4.16 00:33:48 08:08 0
        09/30/2020 1 heron 11.05 01:31:20 08:16 312
        09/30/2020 Oops. I'll know better next time. 2.30 00:16:34 07:12 33
        10/01/2020 1 owl, 1 rabbit, and an odd lack of school traffic 9.25 01:16:14 08:14 269
        10/02/2020 2 owls, 2 herons, and wishing I had worn gloves 6.05 00:50:47 08:24 295
        10/03/2020 Past Starkey cemetery to High 5 Ranch and back 2.50 00:20:13 08:05 108
        10/04/2020 51 sec 400? There's exactly zero chance that is correct 1.01 00:06:56 06:52 52
        10/04/2020 Wurst Race Half 13.12 01:32:39 07:04 518

        Total distance: 75.15mi

        5k: 17:58 11/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 2:56:05 12/22

         

        Upcoming Races:

         

        OKC Memorial 5k - April 27

        Bun Run 5k - May 4

         

        zebano


          Keen: That's certainly not a bad time for a race you trained through. Looking forward to the race report.

           

          Can you get a refund or deferral on the marathon?

          1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 41:20 (2021), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Marathon - 3:37:17 (2018)

          watsonc123


            Keen - nice week.

            PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

             

            40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

             

            2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

             

            2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

            Marky_Mark_17


              Keen - good week and nice job on the race especially considering the challenges you've been dealing with lately.  I guess my reflection from the last eternity of training is that if you're going to do a marathon, you want to do it well.  It's such a big ask in terms of the physical and mental investment.  You know yourself better than anyone - if you're not sure you're up for it, that's a signal worth listening to.

               

              Weather forecast is still looking good for Sunday.  Hope it stays that way.

              3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

              10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

              * Net downhill course

              Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

              Up next: Runway5, 4 May

              "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

              Marky_Mark_17


                Piwi/Watson/Steve - Hayden Wilde is having a crack at the national 1 hour record at Mt. Smart on Saturday.  It's stood since 1963!  He might've got some inspiration seeing Mo Farah take down the world 1 hour record recently.  He ran a sub-29 10k on the Governors Bay to Lyttleton course a couple weeks ago which has some beastly hills in it so I'd say he's looking good.

                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                * Net downhill course

                Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                  Mark it seems to equate to about a 63 min half. Obviously the Robertsons smashed that with sub 1 hour halfs but I think it has to be on the track.

                  I've not heard of him running a half so will be interesting to see if he carries on well through the longer distance.

                  55+ PBs 5k 18:36 June 3rd TT

                  " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

                  Somewhere in between is about right "      

                   

                  watsonc123


                    Sub 29 on that course is awesome.  It would be rare for someone at that level to have 10+ seconds per km drop off between a 10k and a half.

                    PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                     

                    40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                     

                    2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                     

                    2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                    Marky_Mark_17


                      If I was in Auckland I’d go along and watch. Ironic that it’s on the first weekend I’ll be out of town in 8 months!

                      3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                      10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                      * Net downhill course

                      Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                      Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      Marky_Mark_17


                        Weather forecast is still looking good.  Bit cold at the start (4C / 40F) at 7am but warming up quite quickly to around 13C / 55F by 10am.  Light northerlies.  TBH that's the least ideal wind direction as it means we'll be finishing into the wind over the last 6-7km.  But light anything is better than the strong winds that can often crop up around there particularly in springtime.

                        3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                        10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                        * Net downhill course

                        Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                        Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                        SteveChCh


                        Hot Weather Complainer

                          Mark - That sounds like a dream forecast and definitely better than some of the pessimistic predictions!

                          5km: 18:34 11/23 │ 10km: 39:10 8/23 │ HM: 1:26:48 9/23 │ M: 3:34:49 6/23

                           

                          2024 Races:

                          Motorway Half Marathon February 25, 2024 1:29:55

                          Christchurch Half-Marathon April 21, 2024

                          Selwyn Marathon June 2, 2024

                          Dunedin Half Marathon September 15, 2024

                          Marky_Mark_17


                            Re pacing strategy for Sunday, I had a good chat earlier in the week with Luke when I was getting a massage.  The short answer is, steady rhythm and therefore probably even splits.  That's what's worked for me in every race that's gone well over the last 2 years.  My tempo blocks have been around the 3:43/km average mark with hills included so I guess that's what I'm aiming for.  Things might turn to crap at the 36km mark.  Who knows?

                             

                            But the long answer is, it depends.

                             

                            There are two hills (repeated twice) but they are both quite short and sharp so I think the optimal strategy is to keep momentum up and power through them.  There's also a long-ish false flat at the end of each lap, I don't think that changes the strategy but it's just something to bear in mind if the splits come up slightly slower for a stretch (particularly if the northerly is a factor).

                             

                            If the northerly picks up at all (currently it looks pretty minimal) the last 6-7km into the wind may be slower so it'll be a case of also trying to take advantage of that on the downwind earlier in the lap and just not getting fazed by it (it can't possibly be as tough as Christchurch half last year and that turned out OK).

                             

                            Fuelling will be a mix of Maurten gels and drink mix.  Will take 4 gels but likely to only use 3, mix of caf and non-caf.  Drink mix at 21km, will get the wife to pass it to me when I hit the 2nd lap but will probably drink it over the space of a km and dump it at the drink station at ~22km.

                             

                            The other challenge will be how to manage the group, currently there's three other strong runners with PB's ranging from 2:35-2:45 (Matt Moloney, Geoff Ferry and Ben Twyman) so it seems quite likely four of us will stick together at least for a while.  I think as long as the pace doesn't get hotter than 3:40/km (~2:34 pace) I will stick with them.  Beyond that I think it's too risky.  Geoff will probably be the closest proxy, his 10km times lately are solid, he pumps out more mileage than me but probably has a bit less raw speed.  I pipped him by 3 minutes or so at National Half Champs last year but he has improved a lot since then (and also got a pair of Vaporflies).

                            3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                            10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                            * Net downhill course

                            Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                            Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                            watsonc123


                              I briefly talked to Geoff at the Wellington Road Champs - he was talking 2:45.  But he recently ran some big PRs Incl a 15:5x 5km.

                               

                              Forecast is looking good.  The hills are quite minor.  Although hard in lap 2 if fading in the full.  The course is a little different to when I ran it, so the hills are earlier.

                               

                              My aim is 1:28:17 which would be my 3rd best half.

                               

                              Steve - please update the main page.

                              PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                               

                              40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                               

                              2023 PRs (hope to beat in 2024): 5km 20:34, 10km 41:37, half 1:32:32, full 3:21:05

                               

                              2024 PRs: 5km 20:25

                              Marky_Mark_17


                                I briefly talked to Geoff at the Wellington Road Champs - he was talking 2:45.  But he recently ran some big PRs Incl a 15:5x 5km.

                                 

                                Forecast is looking good.  The hills are quite minor.  Although hard in lap 2 if fading in the full.  The course is a little different to when I ran it, so the hills are earlier.

                                 

                                My aim is 1:28:17 which would be my 3rd best half.

                                 

                                I reckon he would be comfortably sub-2:40 based on how he has been tracking lately.  I think he ran a 2:45-ish full last year but he's definitely improved since then.  He is in the top echelon of Wellington Masters guys now alongside the likes of Stephen Day and Andrew Wharton (who ran 2:35 at Auckland last year), which is saying something as they probably have the deepest talent pool in the country at Masters level.

                                 

                                Yeah I figured those hills will feel significantly harder the second time around!

                                 

                                We are having a bit of a holiday around the race (starting tomorrow) so you guys will be spared the worst of my pre-race rantings which generally come when I'm at work and thinking about the race rather than working.  Mostly I'm just excited to race and I haven't really gone nuts yet.  There's still time though.

                                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: Waterfront HM, 7 Apr, 1:15:48

                                Up next: Runway5, 4 May

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"