Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2020 (Read 577 times)

zebano


    My understanding with foot pods is that the other place they really excel is helping you normalize effort across hills. Heart rate lags significantly and GPS pace doesn't really account for hills at all.

     

    Regarding tapering for a 5k. I really agree with what Flavio typed up, but my one little wrinkle is that I like some faster than 5k effort in the sharpening workout. 12x200@3k / 200 jog recovery is my go-to workout. Anecdotally it makes 5k effort feel slower.

    1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 45:24 (2017), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Mary - 3:37:17 (2018)

    JMac11


    Taper Czar

      Okay so underpasses are another good use, and so are treadmills. Agreed on that. I'm surprised though you guys are getting 2% error on GPS. If I'm on an open road with just trees on a certified course where I run the tangents, I'm rarely off by even 1%. Maybe my watch is just more accurate than others?

       

      Thanks for the tapering advice folks.

      5K: 16:42 (9/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

       

      Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

      darkwave


      Mother of Cats

        Okay so underpasses are another good use, and so are treadmills. Agreed on that. I'm surprised though you guys are getting 2% error on GPS. If I'm on an open road with just trees on a certified course where I run the tangents, I'm rarely off by even 1%. Maybe my watch is just more accurate than others?

         

         

        With my previous watch I had the same experience - mostly close enough in the locales that you describe that I was fine with it.    I did have several places where it would consistently read off, and I'd just correct for those with manual splits.

         

        Then I got the new watch, and that GPS was just consistently off, giving paces 15 seconds or so per mile off when I had good GPS conditions (as well as being off when I didn't).  So it just made sense to switch to the foodpod.  At least until I get a new watch when a good sale comes around.

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        darkwave


        Mother of Cats

          My understanding with foot pods is that the other place they really excel is helping you normalize effort across hills. Heart rate lags significantly and GPS pace doesn't really account for hills at all.

           

          Those are the footpods that measure power as well as pace/distance.   My Stryd does that.  I generally ignore power, though.  I look at it after for interest, but don't give it much weight.

           

          Commander Keen is more into power, I believe.  (wow, that sounded very supervillainish)

          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

           

          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

            Okay so underpasses are another good use, and so are treadmills. Agreed on that. I'm surprised though you guys are getting 2% error on GPS. If I'm on an open road with just trees on a certified course where I run the tangents, I'm rarely off by even 1%. Maybe my watch is just more accurate than others?

             

            Thanks for the tapering advice folks.

             

            Maybe the certified course is out  After all no measurement is exact as it can be infinitely split.....

            50+ PBs -  

            5k 18.25 Tauranga Parkrun  Sept 20      81.36 % age grade

            10k 38.55 oct 19 strava run

            Next races

            Mount Maunganui half 10k 28th nov 2020

            " If you don't use it you lose it but if you use it, it wears out.

            Somewhere in between is about right "      

             

            CommanderKeen


            Aspiring Hobby Jogger

               

              Those are the footpods that measure power as well as pace/distance.   My Stryd does that.  I generally ignore power, though.  I look at it after for interest, but don't give it much weight.

               

              Commander Keen is more into power, I believe.  (wow, that sounded very supervillainish)

               

               Muahahahaha!!!

               

              I do like running power, it has worked well for me. 300 watts (just throwing a number out there) is marathon effort no matter if it's uphill, downhill, flat, with, across, or against the wind. 7 min/mi (throwing more numbers) may be marathon effort on flats without  wind, but isn't on uphills, against the wind, downhills, etc.

               

              I do especially prefer power on treadmills vs pace - running on a treadmill is usually easier vs land at a given pace because you're not having to overcome any air resistance. And that difference is greater the faster you're going.

              5k: 18:25 10/19 (solo track TT) │ 10k: 38:56 4/18 │ HM: 1:24:16 11/19 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

               

              Upcoming Races (?):

              8/29 Moore War 5k

              9/5 - Tunnel to Towers 5k

              9/27 - Run Elk City 5k

              10/4 - Wurst Race Half - Ran it!

              10/18 - Hot Chocolate 15k (Pacing)

               

              Running Problem


              Problem Child

                How did people successfully train for marathons without GPS or foot pods? Did they just run by feel for a set amount of time? Did they just run track or paved running paths with marked distances? The more I've learned about running the more I've realized how easy it is to overcomplicate things. I say this as someone who uses his GPS like a security blanket + crutch + mommy for running any kind of race or workout. I literally CAN NOT imagine running something like 12x400 strictly off feel with no checkpoint halfway through to tell if I'm going too fast or too slow. I also had the Garmin footpod at one point to run on a treadmill with and thought all 5ks were accurately measured.

                2020 Goal: Figure out the problem.

                watsonc123


                  The reason that a lot of intervals are 200, 400, 800, 1200 or 1600 metres was that they were run on tracks which allowed accurate measurement.

                  PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                   

                  40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                  watsonc123


                    Injury update - second x-ray confirmed radius fracture at elbow.   Shoulder injured, having x-ray next Monday, and Ultrasound following Friday as physio wants to get it checked out more. Shoulder ROM very restricted.

                    PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                     

                    40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)

                    darkwave


                    Mother of Cats

                      Injury update - second x-ray confirmed radius fracture at elbow.   Shoulder injured, having x-ray next Monday, and Ultrasound following Friday as physio wants to get it checked out more. Shoulder ROM very restricted.

                       

                      Ooof.  I'm so sorry.  How long will that have you out for?

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                      And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                      zebano


                        ok, so I didn't realize footpods that don't measure power exist. TIL.

                         

                        Watson, sorry about the fracture. Ugg. Heal fast.

                         

                        Regarding watches, yeah there's a reason that tracks are popular places to train. I've considered switching totally to timed intervals but I like the track. It just has a reassuring feeling of speed.

                        1600 - 5:23 (2018), 5k - 19:33 (2018), 10k - 45:24 (2017), half - 1:38:57 (2018), Mary - 3:37:17 (2018)

                        darkwave


                        Mother of Cats

                          The reason that a lot of intervals are 200, 400, 800, 1200 or 1600 metres was that they were run on tracks which allowed accurate measurement.

                           

                          It was also not uncommon for people to mark some running routes with markers (chalk marks or flags) to indicate distance.

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                          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                          Running Problem


                          Problem Child

                             

                            It was also not uncommon for people to mark some running routes with markers (chalk marks or flags) to indicate distance.

                             

                            I've considered doing this and realized I've gotten to a point in running where the "get healthy/fit" has gone away and it's now more about the racing aspect to measure improvements. The health benefits are just an added bonus...I guess.

                            I ended up using a rock, a stop sign, someone's trash can, someone's driveway, an interesection/road sign, and a gate. Pretty sure the turn is a 1200m and the fun, for me, part of it is we do "crosswalk to chevron" or "crosswalk to Jaimie's rock" instead of X00m repeats.

                            2020 Goal: Figure out the problem.

                            JMac11


                            Taper Czar

                               

                              It was also not uncommon for people to mark some running routes with markers (chalk marks or flags) to indicate distance.

                               

                              This is all my interval work. Some running club graciously has marked 200 meter markers on a relatively flat section of Central Park, so I'll do anything from 200/400 meter repeats to 1200 meter intervals on there. Much better than trying to use a watch.

                              5K: 16:42 (9/20)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:15:28 (3/20)  |  FM: 2:36:31 (12/19) 

                               

                              Next Race: Whatever COVID-19 will allow me to run 

                              watsonc123


                                Re how long I am out for - I don't know.  Elbow should be OK in a month.  Shoulder is the big unknown.

                                PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                                 

                                40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018)