Sub 1:30 Half Marathon in 2019 (Read 556 times)

JMac11


Benevolent Leader

    Look I get the "fresh" pacers idea. But what if you could get 5 pacers who could run 1:59:59 pace for 24 miles, instead of the 18 they run now before dropping out? Would we all sit around and say "oh well that's legit because they don't have them for the final 2 miles?" Also, if you ask 99% of the running community who has the women's world record for the marathon, they would say Paula Radcliffe, not Mary Keitany, yet Radcliffe's record is effectively what we're saying is "not record eligible" by the men's standards.

    5K: 16:51 (8/19)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:16:21 (3/19)  |  FM: 2:44:43 (4/19) 

     

    Next Race: Suffolk County Half Marathon (10/27/19)

    CommanderKeen


    Aspiring Hobby Jogger

      Radcliffe didn't have rotating pacers, which is the difference between hers and the Nike/ENEOS attempts. She did have men around here who could run the full distance at that pace, which I'm sure was a benefit. I don't think they were deliberately blocking the wind for her, though. 

      Bringing Paula up could certainly bring up the doping thing again, too. Her record is quantitatively stronger than any female record until you get to maybe the 3,000. Extremely odd, even from a mathematics perspective.

      5k: 18:25 10/19 (solo track TT) │ 10k: 38:56 4/18 │ HM: 1:28:01 4/18 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

       

      Upcoming Races:

      DRC Half 11/3

      Dallas Marathon 12/15

      Marky_Mark_17


        Look I get the "fresh" pacers idea. But what if you could get 5 pacers who could run 1:59:59 pace for 24 miles, instead of the 18 they run now before dropping out? Would we all sit around and say "oh well that's legit because they don't have them for the final 2 miles?" Also, if you ask 99% of the running community who has the women's world record for the marathon, they would say Paula Radcliffe, not Mary Keitany, yet Radcliffe's record is effectively what we're saying is "not record eligible" by the men's standards.

         

        I would say if 5 pacers could run that pace for 24 miles they'd have a serious crack at completing the full distance!  But those are the rules - and even subtle tweaks outside the rules (like the in/out pacers and wind blocking) make a big difference over the marathon distance.

        5000m: 16:03 (Dec-18) | 5km: 16:24 (Nov-18) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) HM: 1:12:49 (Sep-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

        Last race: NZ Road Relays (Leg 2 / 10.2km), 5 Oct, 35:10

        Up next: The Agency Group 10,000m, 9 Nov

        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

        Marky_Mark_17


          Bringing Paula up could certainly bring up the doping thing again, too. Her record is quantitatively stronger than any female record until you get to maybe the 3,000. Extremely odd, even from a mathematics perspective.

           

          Farah has a similarly crazy range if you look at his times from the 1500m through to the half marathon (and the full).

          5000m: 16:03 (Dec-18) | 5km: 16:24 (Nov-18) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) HM: 1:12:49 (Sep-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

          Last race: NZ Road Relays (Leg 2 / 10.2km), 5 Oct, 35:10

          Up next: The Agency Group 10,000m, 9 Nov

          "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          CommanderKeen


          Aspiring Hobby Jogger

            DPS brought up nutrition earlier, so with that in mind, has anyone tried the new-ish SiS Beta mix? I don't think they make it in gels (yet, anyway), so it would probably be a better "use it in a disposable handheld" thing for a marathon, or perhaps an ultra in which you'd be carrying your own water/nutrition more.

            5k: 18:25 10/19 (solo track TT) │ 10k: 38:56 4/18 │ HM: 1:28:01 4/18 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

             

            Upcoming Races:

            DRC Half 11/3

            Dallas Marathon 12/15

            SteveChCh


            Hot Weather Complainer

               

              Farah has a similarly crazy range if you look at his times from the 1500m through to the half marathon (and the full).

               

              There are serious question marks over both of them.

              PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

              Recent Races:  South Island Half-Marathon 2018 1:32.39 Auckland Waterfront Half-Marathon 2019 1:30.49

              Next Race:  South Island Half-Marathon, August 4, 2019

              Marky_Mark_17


                 

                There are serious question marks over both of them.

                 

                I hate to say it as I admire Farah a great deal, but yeah, it's dubious particularly in light of his association with Salazar.

                 

                Related question - does anyone have any running role models?

                 

                As much as I admire Farah, I probably wouldn't call him a role model as I personally don't find him that relatable.  I would probably pick Kiwi runners mostly because I know a lot more about them.  Zane Robertson for the way he totally pushed the limits in training, and for his smart race preparation.  Nick Willis for his race execution and tactics.  Rod Dixon because the way he ran down that dude to win the NYC Marathon was a brilliant combination of race smarts and the sheer hunger you can see on his face.

                5000m: 16:03 (Dec-18) | 5km: 16:24 (Nov-18) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) HM: 1:12:49 (Sep-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                Last race: NZ Road Relays (Leg 2 / 10.2km), 5 Oct, 35:10

                Up next: The Agency Group 10,000m, 9 Nov

                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                JMac11


                Benevolent Leader

                   

                  I would probably pick Kiwi runners 

                   

                  A quick vote for the forum for today's topics: which is more obvious?

                   

                  A) Salazar is a cheater

                  B) Mark only has Kiwi running role models.

                   

                  Tough choice class. Choose carefully.

                  5K: 16:51 (8/19)  |  10K: 34:49 (10/19)  |  HM: 1:16:21 (3/19)  |  FM: 2:44:43 (4/19) 

                   

                  Next Race: Suffolk County Half Marathon (10/27/19)

                  Marky_Mark_17


                     because I know a lot more about them

                     

                    Seriously though this does make a big difference.  The NZ community is pretty tight-knit (small) and with the big names, often you've either met them, or you know someone who trains with them or knows them well.  It gives you a lot more insight into them as an athlete and a person... like most, I think Kipchoge is incredible, but aside from his freakish speed and calm demeanor I'm not going to profess to know a lot about the guy,

                    5000m: 16:03 (Dec-18) | 5km: 16:24 (Nov-18) | 10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) HM: 1:12:49 (Sep-19) | FM: 2:57:36 (Oct-17)

                    Last race: NZ Road Relays (Leg 2 / 10.2km), 5 Oct, 35:10

                    Up next: The Agency Group 10,000m, 9 Nov

                    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                    dpschumacher


                      Frank Shorter-Met him at a few talks he has given.

                      Steve Prefontaine- Ran from the front and embrace the pain

                      Ron Clarke- The world records one after another

                      Jim Ryun- I have a bio of him written while he was in college and the first running book I read as a 7th grader i got from my dad (and it's signed)....not a big fan of his politics later in life but running legend

                       

                      Also Dan McClimon (Wisconsin Track Coach for my dad and the guy i'm named after)

                       

                      I hate to say it as I admire Farah a great deal, but yeah, it's dubious particularly in light of his association with Salazar.

                       

                      Related question - does anyone have any running role models?

                       

                      As much as I admire Farah, I probably wouldn't call him a role model as I personally don't find him that relatable.  I would probably pick Kiwi runners mostly because I know a lot more about them.  Zane Robertson for the way he totally pushed the limits in training, and for his smart race preparation.  Nick Willis for his race execution and tactics.  Rod Dixon because the way he ran down that dude to win the NYC Marathon was a brilliant combination of race smarts and the sheer hunger you can see on his face.

                      2019 Goal: Run every day

                      2019 Goal: Get to 165 lbs

                      2019 Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                      dpschumacher


                        PS Internally screaming "Snell" at my Kiwi friends

                        2019 Goal: Run every day

                        2019 Goal: Get to 165 lbs

                        2019 Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                          Snell was a bit before my time but I grew up cheering for John Walker, Rod Dixon, and Dick Quax. I also admired the English guns at the time Coe, Ovette, and Cram.

                          I remember seeing part of " the Molenberg Mile " series at Mount Maunganui back in the late 70s. John Walker was in it and other international milers. I think Steve Scott from the US was there too. The Queen St mile was part of it too back then.

                           

                          Mark I was on YouTube yesterday and found a video on the recent Great Scottish run which was held last weekend. Zane was in it and I settled in for a cracker race but unfortunately he retired hurt early on.

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                          Somewhere in between is about right "      

                           

                          dpschumacher


                            The main rival at the end of Once a Runner is based on John Walker named John Walton who is a 3:49 miler who the main character races at the climax.

                            2019 Goal: Run every day

                            2019 Goal: Get to 165 lbs

                            2019 Goal: Get in shape to be able to run 2 marathons in 2020

                            SteveChCh


                            Hot Weather Complainer

                              I'd have to go Martin Crowe, Richie McCaw, Peter Snell and John Key

                              PB:  Christchurch 2016 1:29.25

                              Recent Races:  South Island Half-Marathon 2018 1:32.39 Auckland Waterfront Half-Marathon 2019 1:30.49

                              Next Race:  South Island Half-Marathon, August 4, 2019

                              flavio1980


                              weight loss complainer

                                Jmac - I find Mary Keitany’s record to be more legit, pacers have a considerable influence on performance.

                                Mark - No role models in running. I have a hard time relating to pros, and I didn't start following track & field until 3, 4 years ago.

                                DPS/Marco - I find your lack of emojis on Strava run titles concerning 

                                 

                                Worlds champs continues to impress. Did you guys see the athlete presentation on the last race of the night? It's amazing!

                                Yesterday's men's pole vault final was thrilling.

                                PRs: 1500m 4:54.1 3K 10:34 5K 18:05 HM 1:24:25 - Up next: Chase the HM PR