The Waltons aka Advanced Half Marathon Training Thread - 2022 edition (Read 393 times)

CommanderKeen


Aspiring Hobby Jogger

    Since today is a rest day, I've nothing better to do than check the weather forecast for Monday.  The course is PR-flat, but the summer weather is never conducive to a PR.  Below is a history of my performance at this race over the years.  Notice any correlations?  For 2022, I'm showing the currently forecast temperature.

     

    By comparison, my 4-mile PR, set earlier this year, was on a course with a decent sized hill in mile 1 and an uphill finish, but the temperature that day was good for me.

     

    Year Temp Time
    2017 73F / 23C 33:51
    2018 79F / 26C 36:58
    2019 81F / 27C 38:33
    2021 66F / 19C 32:40
    2022 75F / 24C ?
         
    PR (2022) 25F / -4C 31:26

     

    33:22

     

    5k: 18:05 8/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

     

    Upcoming Races:

     

    Wurst Race Half - 10/8

    Toyota Music Factory Half - 11/13

    CIM - 12/4

    CommanderKeen


    Aspiring Hobby Jogger

      Side note: TOTALLY redeemed myself this morning over my terrible workout from two weeks ago and I'm a bit psyched about it.

      5k: 18:05 8/22 │ 10k: 37:55 9/21 │ HM: 1:23:22 4/22 │ M: 3:04:13 11/18

       

      Upcoming Races:

       

      Wurst Race Half - 10/8

      Toyota Music Factory Half - 11/13

      CIM - 12/4

      Marky_Mark_17


         

        Yes, it will be.  The contrabassoon doesn't have quite the oomph/volume of a tuba, especially for an outdoor concert, but it's better than having no bass part at all.

         

        Ah this brings back some memories.  I played trombone back in high school.  We had a decent enough jazz band and that was a lot of fun.

        3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

        10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

        * Net downhill course

        Last race: National 10km Road Champs, 4 Sept, 34:13

        Up next: Nelson Half Marathon, 6 Nov

        "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

          Keen that workout was amazing. You did 8 reps around 3.35/km with 2.30 rest. It would be great to see you get that sub 18 sometime.

           

          I'm afraid I know nothing about chess or musical instruments. My brother in England owns 2 big saxophone shops. I never got the musical genes. I have him by an hour in the marathon though 

          50+ PBs -  

          5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

          10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

          Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

          " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

          Somewhere in between is about right "      

           

          Marky_Mark_17


            I played chess competitively in high school but I haven't really kept up since then.  Bit like trombone actually.

             

            Piwi - bit like me and my brother!! He is a lawyer in NYC and works on a lot of $100m+ lawsuits.  But I have him by probably 30 minutes in the half haha.

             

            Keen - that looks almost like a linear correlation!

            3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

            10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

            * Net downhill course

            Last race: National 10km Road Champs, 4 Sept, 34:13

            Up next: Nelson Half Marathon, 6 Nov

            "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

              Mark and you have a successful career 

              50+ PBs -  

              5k 18.21 Hagley Parkrun  July 21      82.27 % age grade

              10k TT 37.21 may 2nd 2021 strava run 82.51 % age grade

              Half marathon  1.23.30 may 21 80.11 % age grade

              " If you don't use it you lose it,  but if you use it, it wears out.

              Somewhere in between is about right "      

               

              watsonc123


                Well that was all confusing.  I was keeping up to date on the "other thread" without realizing this thread had been restarted.

                PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                 

                40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                watsonc123


                  ... my brother!! He is a lawyer in NYC and works on a lot of $100m+ lawsuits.

                   

                  Just because he works on the lawsuits, it doesn't mean he wins any of the lawsuits

                  PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                   

                  40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                  Marky_Mark_17


                    Well that was all confusing.  I was keeping up to date on the "other thread" without realizing this thread had been restarted.

                     

                    A number of people decided they liked it more here and for various reasons had no interest in the other thread.  As Darkwave suggested, we now have "The Waltons" (this thread) and "The Competitive Jerks" (the other thread).  This was a reference to an old RWOL thread split I think, not calling anyone names, but I think it works.

                     

                    I think a few will post in both, as has always been the case.  Totally up to people where they want to hang out.

                    3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                    10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                    * Net downhill course

                    Last race: National 10km Road Champs, 4 Sept, 34:13

                    Up next: Nelson Half Marathon, 6 Nov

                    "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                    Marky_Mark_17


                       

                      Just because he works on the lawsuits, it doesn't mean he wins any of the lawsuits

                       

                      Haha good call! If he is losing them all he is still getting paid well for it though!!

                       

                      Piwi - I'm still not sure anyone else in my family actually understands what I do but yeah I am not bad at it, thanks.

                       

                      Watson - I was saying to Hashiritai the other day that NZ 10k Road Champs in early Sept is just down the road from you in Trentham.

                      3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                      10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                      * Net downhill course

                      Last race: National 10km Road Champs, 4 Sept, 34:13

                      Up next: Nelson Half Marathon, 6 Nov

                      "CONSISTENCY IS KING"

                      watsonc123


                        Yes, it's about 2.5km to 3km to the start line from where I live.  I don't know exactly where the course will be.

                         

                        I know you're worried about the wind - Upper Hutt is roughly half as windy as Wellington city on average.  Not that I go into town that much these days, but I used to go in most work-days and it will often be noticeable getting on/off the train and the wind difference.

                        PRs: 5km 18:43 (Dec 2015), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:26:16 (Sep 2016), full 3:09:28 (Jun 2015)

                         

                        40+ PRs: 5km 19:31 (Oct 2020), 10km 39:59 (Sep 2020), half 1:29:39 (Jun 2018), full 3:13:55 (Sep 2022)

                        darkwave


                        Mother of Cats

                           

                          Just because he works on the lawsuits, it doesn't mean he wins any of the lawsuits

                           

                          At that level, they pretty much always settle.  So he doesn't necessarily lose them either....

                          Everyone's gotta running blog; I'm the only one with a POOL-RUNNING blog.

                           

                          And...if you want a running Instagram where all the pictures are of cats, I've got you covered.

                          Fredford66


                          Running Musician

                            Zebano - I know what you mean about marathon training.  All that work and bad weather on race day can ruin months of training.  At least with half marathons, I regularly schedule a second target 3 to 4 weeks after the target race so if something goes wrong on target race day, I can try again.  That said, it looks like I'll be running my 4th marathon next year.

                             

                            Mark, Keen - If I calculate a trend line for the four July 4 races I've run in the past, then a forecast of 75º suggests a race time of 35:36 (the chart plot of the times & temps is remarkably close to a straight line, though there's no adjustment for improvement over the years due to training).  Maybe I can use the calculated time as a goal - see whether I can improve on the trend line formula result.

                             

                            Watson - Welcome back.

                             

                            Piwi - I know a little about music and chess, and you have me by a lot in marathons and half marathons.

                             

                            I met my RP for an HM pace run today.  6 miles with the middle 3 at HM pace.  My previous two pace runs didn't go well as I was struggling to maintain the more aggressive target I had set for myself.  Today was the opposite - I was too fast.  In one sense it wasn't a good workout because I wasn't it the target range and therefore not necessarily getting the benefit intended by the training plan for this workout. On the other hand, it was a very good workout because it helped push aside the doubts that had been accumulating from previous workouts.  I've proven to myself that the pace is not unattainable - merely that I need more time spent finding the groove and getting used to the pace/effort.  Sometimes the mental boost is more important than the physical benefit of a workout.

                            5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 39:24 (11/21); 10k 50:32 (10/21); Half 1:50:46 (4/22)

                            Upcoming race(s): Crest Best Half Marathon, 10/9
                            Fredford66


                            Running Musician

                              Got in an early 6 miles today then took my sons into the City for a visit to my new office and some sightseeing.  Saw some neat stuff (including escalators in Macy's that are so old the treads are made of wood), and still got back by 1:00 to avoid the hottest part of the day.

                               

                              And speaking of heat, I may get a reprieve on Monday - the temp forecast hasn't changed, but the forecast dew point has dropped from mid-60's to the low-50's, which is very welcome.

                              5k 23:48.45 (3/22); 4M 31:26 (2/22); 5M 39:24 (11/21); 10k 50:32 (10/21); Half 1:50:46 (4/22)

                              Upcoming race(s): Crest Best Half Marathon, 10/9
                              Marky_Mark_17


                                Got in an early 6 miles today then took my sons into the City for a visit to my new office and some sightseeing.  Saw some neat stuff (including escalators in Macy's that are so old the treads are made of wood), and still got back by 1:00 to avoid the hottest part of the day.

                                 

                                 

                                That is cool.  Where is your office?

                                3,000m: 9:07.7 (Nov-21) | 5,000m: 15:39 (Dec-19) | 10,000m: 32:34 (Mar-20)  

                                10km: 33:15 (Sep-19) | HM: 1:09:41 (May-21)* | FM: 2:41:41 (Oct-20)

                                * Net downhill course

                                Last race: National 10km Road Champs, 4 Sept, 34:13

                                Up next: Nelson Half Marathon, 6 Nov

                                "CONSISTENCY IS KING"